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April 30, 2011 7:05:11 PM

Hi guys!

I'm going to build a PC with specs similar to this:

AMD Phenom II X6 1090T, 3,2 GHz processor

RAM Patriot XTREME DDR3 2 x 4 GB 1600MHz

Asus Crosshair IV Formula motherboard

Cooler Master HAF X chase

WD Caviar Black 1TB hard drive

Geforce 460 GTX graphic card

850W power supply

But this is my first built ever, so I have some questions.

First of all: What do you think about the config?

I'm not sure exactly what Geforce 460 GTX because there are so many brands. I'm comfused. Where is the difference between Geforces of different brands?

Last question: Do I get any fans with these components and are they sufficient?

Thanks for any help! :D 


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April 30, 2011 7:13:17 PM

SLI those cards if you have 2 slots that is A LOT of power for just 1 card.
a b B Homebuilt system
April 30, 2011 9:33:06 PM

One thing to keep in mind, is that most AMD boards do not support SLI. If you want to keep that processor, you'd be better off getting an ATI card. If you want the most similar card to the GTX 460, i'd go with a 5850. If you want more power on a single card, you should get a 6950.
6950: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
5850: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
As you can see, the 5850 is much cheaper, but you sacrifice performance. It's still an awesome card, and that price is really hard to beat.
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a b B Homebuilt system
April 30, 2011 10:01:52 PM

The 5850 and 6850 overlap in these 1080P charts, so are pretty close in performance, likely varying less than 1%....

http://www.tomshardware.com/charts/2011-gaming-graphics...

If a gaming system, keep in mind an Intel quad core (and even some i3 dual cores) can possibly be assembled for less, and, provide better performance at resolutions that are not GPU-limited. The 'X6' and '3.2 GHz' and 'many overlock them to 3.7 GHz' sounds impressive, yet are still outframed by i5 models clocked 300-500 Mhz less. (Due to OS overhead, normally even X4s outframe X6 models at like clockspeeds, so, unless also a heavy multitasker/working system, I'd avoid the X6 in favor of an X4)
a b B Homebuilt system
April 30, 2011 10:13:46 PM

I agree with mdd.
You might wanna pick up a i5-2500k, but if you insist on a phenom II X6, just realize that you won't be able to fully utilize those cores for a while.
If you do get a Sandy Bridge, I would wait until the z68 chipset comes out, as it will have a few features that might be useful.
a b B Homebuilt system
May 1, 2011 1:37:57 AM

I wouldn't be doing an AMD build given the cost of the other components. If ya spending > $800, SB makes more sense.
May 1, 2011 12:11:45 PM

Nvidia= better gaming ati= more of video editing.
May 1, 2011 4:54:42 PM

Thanks to all of you for your opinions :) 

I've had Nvidia + AMD PC's for ever and I have had a very positive experience with both.

In addition Nvidia's fetures like PhysX are important to me and all that is enough for me to make a decision.

When I asked about the GPU, I was actually asking: "Should I get an Asus GeForce or the one from Gigabyte or some other Geforce. I was determined to get an Nvidia GPU from the very beginning.

BTW: Do you normally get the fans with CPU and GPU?

Do you usually have to mount the CPU to the heat sink or is that already done by the manufacturer?

I am asking what's with that in case of a regular guy that buys a CPU not waht experts do.

I'm also wondering if you keep the warranty when you build a PC yourself?

Last question is a bit silly, I know X)
May 1, 2011 5:08:08 PM

mdd1963 said:
The 5850 and 6850 overlap in these 1080P charts, so are pretty close in performance, likely varying less than 1%....

http://www.tomshardware.com/charts/2011-gaming-graphics...

If a gaming system, keep in mind an Intel quad core (and even some i3 dual cores) can possibly be assembled for less, and, provide better performance at resolutions that are not GPU-limited. The 'X6' and '3.2 GHz' and 'many overlock them to 3.7 GHz' sounds impressive, yet are still outframed by i5 models clocked 300-500 Mhz less. (Due to OS overhead, normally even X4s outframe X6 models at like clockspeeds, so, unless also a heavy multitasker/working system, I'd avoid the X6 in favor of an X4)


So what you are saying is actually that i5 gives you better performance than the X6, because the OS doesn't know what to do with all the cores that X6 has?

Well I don't see a reason to get let's say an i7 that only has 4 cores and and maybe 0,1 GHz better clockspeed and give at least like 100 EUR more for it.

Are the Intel processors really more powerful? Can an i5 outperform the X6 in real world apps?

I mean i5's got TWO cores. How can this be better than four or six cores, running at similar speeds?

And if that's so, I wanna know why.
May 1, 2011 5:32:02 PM

striker410 said:
One thing to keep in mind, is that most AMD boards do not support SLI. If you want to keep that processor, you'd be better off getting an ATI card. If you want the most similar card to the GTX 460, i'd go with a 5850. If you want more power on a single card, you should get a 6950.
6950: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
5850: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
As you can see, the 5850 is much cheaper, but you sacrifice performance. It's still an awesome card, and that price is really hard to beat.


What about boards with Nvidia chipsets? Are these
any good?
a b B Homebuilt system
May 1, 2011 5:44:50 PM

Domenus said:
So what you are saying is actually that i5 gives you better performance than the X6, because the OS doesn't know what to do with all the cores that X6 has?

Well I don't see a reason to get let's say an i7 that only has 4 cores and and maybe 0,1 GHz better clockspeed and give at least like 100 EUR more for it.

Are the Intel processors really more powerful? Can an i5 outperform the X6 in real world apps?

I mean i5's got TWO cores. How can this be better than four or six cores, running at similar speeds?

And if that's so, I wanna know why.


Intel Core i5 2500k versus AMD Phenom II x6 1090T:
http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/146?vs=288

The Phenom is just slower all around even with two more cores.

You should be looking at an i5 2500k build. Maybe something like this:

Intel Core i5 2500k ($225)
Gigabyte UD3P ($160) Do you plan to SLI? If so, maybe grab the UD4 ($180)
XFX 650 Watt ($60 after rebate) or Corsair 850TX ($125 after rebate)
GTX 570 ($350)
HAF 912 ($60) or HAF 922 ($90)
Samsung Spinpoint F3 1 TB ($65)

Will perform much better than originally-posted rig.

-Scale the case down from $180 to $60 or $90 to gain money for graphics
-scale Crosshair IV motherboard down to high quality board with fewer features to gain money for graphics
-upgrade graphics to gtx 570
-CPU is much faster



a b B Homebuilt system
May 1, 2011 6:14:16 PM

The 2500k will dominate the x6 for quite a while. It overclocks higher, has better architecture, and will generally give more performance. However, this is because most apps do not have support for 6 cores. If you still stick by the x6, your board options are pretty limited.
a b B Homebuilt system
May 1, 2011 7:58:32 PM

It is not because most apps don't support 6 cores. Intel's 4 sandy bridge cores are just faster than six phenom II cores. See the benchmarks linked. I5 2500k wins even in software that can use 6+ cores.
May 1, 2011 9:04:55 PM

I hate how this forum is COMPLETELY against AMD it's his build.
a b B Homebuilt system
May 1, 2011 9:06:01 PM

So you're saying he should get a slower part for the same price as a faster part?
May 1, 2011 9:17:15 PM

It's okay because thank to all you power wasters you kill the earth. My pc doesn't have a lot of power and still plays all my games @ 50 or 60fps.
a b B Homebuilt system
May 1, 2011 9:18:44 PM

If you'll refer to the benchmarks linked, you'll see that the i5 2500k has lower idle and load power consumption than the 1090T
May 1, 2011 9:23:05 PM

Aka it's overclocked.
a b B Homebuilt system
May 1, 2011 9:28:52 PM

No it's not.
May 1, 2011 9:32:49 PM

Looking at the bench marking there about equally the same.
May 1, 2011 10:11:16 PM

Yet how accurate is this website?
a b B Homebuilt system
May 1, 2011 11:27:08 PM

Addison, it's common fact that the 2500k is better. Stop trolling. This guy wants advice on what to spend REAL money on, and you are spewing incorrect facts. The 2500k is clearly faster.
May 2, 2011 12:27:12 AM

@Striker410

Nice to know we have another Intel lover.
a b B Homebuilt system
May 2, 2011 12:29:24 AM

Dude, I'm on a Phenom II x4 right now. Just because I realize that the Sandy Bridge processors are superior doesn't mean i'm an intel fan. If you would actually do research or know what you are talking about, you might understand. Instead, you are content to boosting your post count. Last reply.
May 2, 2011 12:31:02 AM

My pc rig has a althon 2 x4 2.9 and owns all games I play.
May 3, 2011 7:37:07 PM

So, what graphic card do you have?

What games do you play?
a b B Homebuilt system
May 3, 2011 7:41:44 PM

Don't bother, he's trollin. If we go back to the original topic, you wanted to know about X6 vs 2500k correct?
May 3, 2011 8:48:31 PM

Ati 5770 xfx.
May 3, 2011 8:57:54 PM

Intel 2500K is more power ful, though the AMD is better, six cores is a hard core gamer and if you overclock it, it would be like a knife through butter.
a b B Homebuilt system
May 3, 2011 9:02:10 PM

Again, wrong. The 2500k is going to be better, as no game can utilize 6 cores right now. Also, the 2500k can overclock much higher than the Phenom II x6. You will be better off with the 2500k, period.
May 4, 2011 12:14:06 PM

striker410 said:
Again, wrong. The 2500k is going to be better, as no game can utilize 6 cores right now. Also, the 2500k can overclock much higher than the Phenom II x6. You will be better off with the 2500k, period.


Well, I don't need such overclock potencial. If I can get the x6 to run somewhere in the middle between 3 and 4 Ghz, I'll be happy.

As you said in the post above, there is no game that can utilize 6 cores YET. I think there will be such games soon enough. And also gaming is far from being the only activity that I do and requires high performance. Think of 3d modeling, video editing, photo editing, etc.

Right now 2500K is better but the x6 is good enough.

I have no intention to change the brand of the CPU that I'm happy with and the mother board because the 2500k has a bit better scores at some tests.

For me, it's just not worth it.
a b B Homebuilt system
May 4, 2011 3:22:49 PM

It is better in not just a few tests but almost every test. It has nothing to do with programs not being able to use 6 cores, Intel's CPU architecture is just two generations ahead and four of their cores are-just-faster than 6 phenom II cores. The phenom II cores perform like Intel's Core 2 cpus.

Battlefield Bad Company 2 can utilize the 6 cores of the phenom, and the phenom is bested by the 2500k.

The rendering programs in the benchmarks linked above can use the 6 cores of the phenom, and the phenom is bested by the 2500k.
May 4, 2011 6:03:33 PM

After all I've heard from you guys and the tests I've seen I might even get the 2500k instead.

However I'm not sure what motherboard to pick. Which should I get? (Considering the fact that I would like to keep as much of the original configuration as possible.)
a b B Homebuilt system
May 4, 2011 6:23:22 PM

If you want to stay with asus, the P8P67PRO seems to be the favorite: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
you could also opt for the ASRock EXtreme4, which is similar but cheaper: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
As for video card, I would suggest the 5850 over the gtx 460, as it's quite a bit cheaper: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
That ends my list of recommendations. Hope it works out! :) 

EDIT: If you really like that Mobo, they have a p67 version I think, but it's expensiveee: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
a b B Homebuilt system
May 4, 2011 6:58:02 PM

I would second the P8P67 PRO motherboard. It will be capable of SLI/Crossfire down the road should you decide to go that route. Another option is the Gigabyte UD4 for about the same price.

The Gigabyte UD3P is great if you don't plan to add a second graphics card in the future.

I see a lot of recommendations for the ASRock Extreme 4 for its price and great performance, but I guess I'm just biased towards Gigabyte and ASUS because those are the only brands I've ever used.
May 4, 2011 7:19:01 PM

Thank you for that info, mortonww
!