My first PC built

[Domenus]

Hi guys!

I'm going to build a PC with specs similar to this:

AMD Phenom II X6 1090T, 3,2 GHz processor

RAM Patriot XTREME DDR3 2 x 4 GB 1600MHz

Asus Crosshair IV Formula motherboard

Cooler Master HAF X chase

WD Caviar Black 1TB hard drive

Geforce 460 GTX graphic card

850W power supply

But this is my first built ever, so I have some questions.

First of all: What do you think about the config?

I'm not sure exactly what Geforce 460 GTX because there are so many brands. I'm comfused. Where is the difference between Geforces of different brands?

Last question: Do I get any fans with these components and are they sufficient?

Thanks for any help!

 

[addison]

SLI those cards if you have 2 slots that is A LOT of power for just 1 card.

 

[striker410]

One thing to keep in mind, is that most AMD boards do not support SLI. If you want to keep that processor, you'd be better off getting an ATI card. If you want the most similar card to the GTX 460, i'd go with a 5850. If you want more power on a single card, you should get a 6950.
6950: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814150523&cm_re=6950-_-14-150-523-_-Product
5850: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814102932&cm_re=5850-_-14-102-932-_-Product
As you can see, the 5850 is much cheaper, but you sacrifice performance. It's still an awesome card, and that price is really hard to beat.

 

[mdd1963]

The 5850 and 6850 overlap in these 1080P charts, so are pretty close in performance, likely varying less than 1%....

http://www.tomshardware.com/charts/2011-gaming-graphics-charts/Aliens-vs.-Predator-Enthusiast,2668.html

If a gaming system, keep in mind an Intel quad core (and even some i3 dual cores) can possibly be assembled for less, and, provide better performance at resolutions that are not GPU-limited. The 'X6' and '3.2 GHz' and 'many overlock them to 3.7 GHz' sounds impressive, yet are still outframed by i5 models clocked 300-500 Mhz less. (Due to OS overhead, normally even X4s outframe X6 models at like clockspeeds, so, unless also a heavy multitasker/working system, I'd avoid the X6 in favor of an X4)

 

[striker410]

I agree with mdd.
You might wanna pick up a i5-2500k, but if you insist on a phenom II X6, just realize that you won't be able to fully utilize those cores for a while.
If you do get a Sandy Bridge, I would wait until the z68 chipset comes out, as it will have a few features that might be useful.

 

[addison]

Oh yeah sorry... http://www.hisdigital.com/un/product2-588.shtml

Best crossfire set up EVER.

 

[JackNaylorPE]

I wouldn't be doing an AMD build given the cost of the other components. If ya spending > $800, SB makes more sense.

 

[addison]

Nvidia= better gaming ati= more of video editing.

 

[Domenus]

Thanks to all of you for your opinions

I've had Nvidia + AMD PC's for ever and I have had a very positive experience with both.

In addition Nvidia's fetures like PhysX are important to me and all that is enough for me to make a decision.

When I asked about the GPU, I was actually asking: "Should I get an Asus GeForce or the one from Gigabyte or some other Geforce. I was determined to get an Nvidia GPU from the very beginning.

BTW: Do you normally get the fans with CPU and GPU?

Do you usually have to mount the CPU to the heat sink or is that already done by the manufacturer?

I am asking what's with that in case of a regular guy that buys a CPU not waht experts do.

I'm also wondering if you keep the warranty when you build a PC yourself?

Last question is a bit silly, I know X)

 

[Domenus]

The 5850 and 6850 overlap in these 1080P charts, so are pretty close in performance, likely varying less than 1%....

http://www.tomshardware.com/charts/2011-gaming-graphics-charts/Aliens-vs.-Predator-Enthusiast,2668.html

If a gaming system, keep in mind an Intel quad core (and even some i3 dual cores) can possibly be assembled for less, and, provide better performance at resolutions that are not GPU-limited. The 'X6' and '3.2 GHz' and 'many overlock them to 3.7 GHz' sounds impressive, yet are still outframed by i5 models clocked 300-500 Mhz less. (Due to OS overhead, normally even X4s outframe X6 models at like clockspeeds, so, unless also a heavy multitasker/working system, I'd avoid the X6 in favor of an X4)

So what you are saying is actually that i5 gives you better performance than the X6, because the OS doesn't know what to do with all the cores that X6 has?

Well I don't see a reason to get let's say an i7 that only has 4 cores and and maybe 0,1 GHz better clockspeed and give at least like 100 EUR more for it.

Are the Intel processors really more powerful? Can an i5 outperform the X6 in real world apps?

I mean i5's got TWO cores. How can this be better than four or six cores, running at similar speeds?

And if that's so, I wanna know why.

 

[Domenus]

One thing to keep in mind, is that most AMD boards do not support SLI. If you want to keep that processor, you'd be better off getting an ATI card. If you want the most similar card to the GTX 460, i'd go with a 5850. If you want more power on a single card, you should get a 6950.
6950: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814150523&cm_re=6950-_-14-150-523-_-Product
5850: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814102932&cm_re=5850-_-14-102-932-_-Product
As you can see, the 5850 is much cheaper, but you sacrifice performance. It's still an awesome card, and that price is really hard to beat.

What about boards with Nvidia chipsets? Are these
any good?

 

[mortonww]

So what you are saying is actually that i5 gives you better performance than the X6, because the OS doesn't know what to do with all the cores that X6 has?

Well I don't see a reason to get let's say an i7 that only has 4 cores and and maybe 0,1 GHz better clockspeed and give at least like 100 EUR more for it.

Are the Intel processors really more powerful? Can an i5 outperform the X6 in real world apps?

I mean i5's got TWO cores. How can this be better than four or six cores, running at similar speeds?

And if that's so, I wanna know why.

Intel Core i5 2500k versus AMD Phenom II x6 1090T:
http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/146?vs=288

The Phenom is just slower all around even with two more cores.

You should be looking at an i5 2500k build. Maybe something like this:

Intel Core i5 2500k ($225)
Gigabyte UD3P ($160) Do you plan to SLI? If so, maybe grab the UD4 ($180)
XFX 650 Watt ($60 after rebate) or Corsair 850TX ($125 after rebate)
GTX 570 ($350)
HAF 912 ($60) or HAF 922 ($90)
Samsung Spinpoint F3 1 TB ($65)

Will perform much better than originally-posted rig.

-Scale the case down from $180 to $60 or $90 to gain money for graphics
-scale Crosshair IV motherboard down to high quality board with fewer features to gain money for graphics
-upgrade graphics to gtx 570
-CPU is much faster

 

[striker410]

The 2500k will dominate the x6 for quite a while. It overclocks higher, has better architecture, and will generally give more performance. However, this is because most apps do not have support for 6 cores. If you still stick by the x6, your board options are pretty limited.

 

[mortonww]

It is not because most apps don't support 6 cores. Intel's 4 sandy bridge cores are just faster than six phenom II cores. See the benchmarks linked. I5 2500k wins even in software that can use 6+ cores.

 

[addison]

I hate how this forum is COMPLETELY against AMD it's his build.

 

[mortonww]

So you're saying he should get a slower part for the same price as a faster part?

 

[addison]

It's okay because thank to all you power wasters you kill the earth. My pc doesn't have a lot of power and still plays all my games @ 50 or 60fps.

 

[mortonww]

If you'll refer to the benchmarks linked, you'll see that the i5 2500k has lower idle and load power consumption than the 1090T

 

[addison]

Aka it's overclocked.

 

[mortonww]

No it's not.

 

[addison]

Looking at the bench marking there about equally the same.

 

[mortonww]

Last response. I'm referring to this one: http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/146?vs=288

 

[addison]

Yet how accurate is this website?

 

[striker410]

Addison, it's common fact that the 2500k is better. Stop trolling. This guy wants advice on what to spend REAL money on, and you are spewing incorrect facts. The 2500k is clearly faster.

 

[addison]

@Striker410

Nice to know we have another Intel lover.