My first PC built
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Hi guys!
I'm going to build a PC with specs similar to this:
AMD Phenom II X6 1090T, 3,2 GHz processor
RAM Patriot XTREME DDR3 2 x 4 GB 1600MHz
Asus Crosshair IV Formula motherboard
Cooler Master HAF X chase
WD Caviar Black 1TB hard drive
Geforce 460 GTX graphic card
850W power supply
But this is my first built ever, so I have some questions.
First of all: What do you think about the config?
I'm not sure exactly what Geforce 460 GTX because there are so many brands. I'm comfused. Where is the difference between Geforces of different brands?
Last question: Do I get any fans with these components and are they sufficient?
Thanks for any help!
I'm going to build a PC with specs similar to this:
AMD Phenom II X6 1090T, 3,2 GHz processor
RAM Patriot XTREME DDR3 2 x 4 GB 1600MHz
Asus Crosshair IV Formula motherboard
Cooler Master HAF X chase
WD Caviar Black 1TB hard drive
Geforce 460 GTX graphic card
850W power supply
But this is my first built ever, so I have some questions.
First of all: What do you think about the config?
I'm not sure exactly what Geforce 460 GTX because there are so many brands. I'm comfused. Where is the difference between Geforces of different brands?
Last question: Do I get any fans with these components and are they sufficient?
Thanks for any help!
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One thing to keep in mind, is that most AMD boards do not support SLI. If you want to keep that processor, you'd be better off getting an ATI card. If you want the most similar card to the GTX 460, i'd go with a 5850. If you want more power on a single card, you should get a 6950.
6950: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
5850: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
As you can see, the 5850 is much cheaper, but you sacrifice performance. It's still an awesome card, and that price is really hard to beat.
6950: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
5850: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
As you can see, the 5850 is much cheaper, but you sacrifice performance. It's still an awesome card, and that price is really hard to beat.
The 5850 and 6850 overlap in these 1080P charts, so are pretty close in performance, likely varying less than 1%....
http://www.tomshardware.com/charts/2011-gaming-graphics...
If a gaming system, keep in mind an Intel quad core (and even some i3 dual cores) can possibly be assembled for less, and, provide better performance at resolutions that are not GPU-limited. The 'X6' and '3.2 GHz' and 'many overlock them to 3.7 GHz' sounds impressive, yet are still outframed by i5 models clocked 300-500 Mhz less. (Due to OS overhead, normally even X4s outframe X6 models at like clockspeeds, so, unless also a heavy multitasker/working system, I'd avoid the X6 in favor of an X4)
http://www.tomshardware.com/charts/2011-gaming-graphics...
If a gaming system, keep in mind an Intel quad core (and even some i3 dual cores) can possibly be assembled for less, and, provide better performance at resolutions that are not GPU-limited. The 'X6' and '3.2 GHz' and 'many overlock them to 3.7 GHz' sounds impressive, yet are still outframed by i5 models clocked 300-500 Mhz less. (Due to OS overhead, normally even X4s outframe X6 models at like clockspeeds, so, unless also a heavy multitasker/working system, I'd avoid the X6 in favor of an X4)
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I've had Nvidia + AMD PC's for ever and I have had a very positive experience with both.
In addition Nvidia's fetures like PhysX are important to me and all that is enough for me to make a decision.
When I asked about the GPU, I was actually asking: "Should I get an Asus GeForce or the one from Gigabyte or some other Geforce. I was determined to get an Nvidia GPU from the very beginning.
BTW: Do you normally get the fans with CPU and GPU?
Do you usually have to mount the CPU to the heat sink or is that already done by the manufacturer?
I am asking what's with that in case of a regular guy that buys a CPU not waht experts do.
I'm also wondering if you keep the warranty when you build a PC yourself?
Last question is a bit silly, I know X)
I've had Nvidia + AMD PC's for ever and I have had a very positive experience with both.
In addition Nvidia's fetures like PhysX are important to me and all that is enough for me to make a decision.
When I asked about the GPU, I was actually asking: "Should I get an Asus GeForce or the one from Gigabyte or some other Geforce. I was determined to get an Nvidia GPU from the very beginning.
BTW: Do you normally get the fans with CPU and GPU?
Do you usually have to mount the CPU to the heat sink or is that already done by the manufacturer?
I am asking what's with that in case of a regular guy that buys a CPU not waht experts do.
I'm also wondering if you keep the warranty when you build a PC yourself?
Last question is a bit silly, I know X)
mdd1963 said:
The 5850 and 6850 overlap in these 1080P charts, so are pretty close in performance, likely varying less than 1%....http://www.tomshardware.com/charts/2011-gaming-graphics...
If a gaming system, keep in mind an Intel quad core (and even some i3 dual cores) can possibly be assembled for less, and, provide better performance at resolutions that are not GPU-limited. The 'X6' and '3.2 GHz' and 'many overlock them to 3.7 GHz' sounds impressive, yet are still outframed by i5 models clocked 300-500 Mhz less. (Due to OS overhead, normally even X4s outframe X6 models at like clockspeeds, so, unless also a heavy multitasker/working system, I'd avoid the X6 in favor of an X4)
So what you are saying is actually that i5 gives you better performance than the X6, because the OS doesn't know what to do with all the cores that X6 has?
Well I don't see a reason to get let's say an i7 that only has 4 cores and and maybe 0,1 GHz better clockspeed and give at least like 100 EUR more for it.
Are the Intel processors really more powerful? Can an i5 outperform the X6 in real world apps?
I mean i5's got TWO cores. How can this be better than four or six cores, running at similar speeds?
And if that's so, I wanna know why.
striker410 said:
One thing to keep in mind, is that most AMD boards do not support SLI. If you want to keep that processor, you'd be better off getting an ATI card. If you want the most similar card to the GTX 460, i'd go with a 5850. If you want more power on a single card, you should get a 6950.6950: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
5850: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
As you can see, the 5850 is much cheaper, but you sacrifice performance. It's still an awesome card, and that price is really hard to beat.
What about boards with Nvidia chipsets? Are these
any good?
Domenus said:
So what you are saying is actually that i5 gives you better performance than the X6, because the OS doesn't know what to do with all the cores that X6 has?Well I don't see a reason to get let's say an i7 that only has 4 cores and and maybe 0,1 GHz better clockspeed and give at least like 100 EUR more for it.
Are the Intel processors really more powerful? Can an i5 outperform the X6 in real world apps?
I mean i5's got TWO cores. How can this be better than four or six cores, running at similar speeds?
And if that's so, I wanna know why.
Intel Core i5 2500k versus AMD Phenom II x6 1090T:
http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/146?vs=288
The Phenom is just slower all around even with two more cores.
You should be looking at an i5 2500k build. Maybe something like this:
Intel Core i5 2500k ($225)
Gigabyte UD3P ($160) Do you plan to SLI? If so, maybe grab the UD4 ($180)
XFX 650 Watt ($60 after rebate) or Corsair 850TX ($125 after rebate)
GTX 570 ($350)
HAF 912 ($60) or HAF 922 ($90)
Samsung Spinpoint F3 1 TB ($65)
Will perform much better than originally-posted rig.
-Scale the case down from $180 to $60 or $90 to gain money for graphics
-scale Crosshair IV motherboard down to high quality board with fewer features to gain money for graphics
-upgrade graphics to gtx 570
-CPU is much faster
Feeling proud huh? You can overclock WAY higher with the amd. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sPdFE0QkxUw and without the LN probably a 4.0 something.
striker410 said:
Again, wrong. The 2500k is going to be better, as no game can utilize 6 cores right now. Also, the 2500k can overclock much higher than the Phenom II x6. You will be better off with the 2500k, period.Well, I don't need such overclock potencial. If I can get the x6 to run somewhere in the middle between 3 and 4 Ghz, I'll be happy.
As you said in the post above, there is no game that can utilize 6 cores YET. I think there will be such games soon enough. And also gaming is far from being the only activity that I do and requires high performance. Think of 3d modeling, video editing, photo editing, etc.
Right now 2500K is better but the x6 is good enough.
I have no intention to change the brand of the CPU that I'm happy with and the mother board because the 2500k has a bit better scores at some tests.
For me, it's just not worth it.
It is better in not just a few tests but almost every test. It has nothing to do with programs not being able to use 6 cores, Intel's CPU architecture is just two generations ahead and four of their cores are-just-faster than 6 phenom II cores. The phenom II cores perform like Intel's Core 2 cpus.
Battlefield Bad Company 2 can utilize the 6 cores of the phenom, and the phenom is bested by the 2500k.
The rendering programs in the benchmarks linked above can use the 6 cores of the phenom, and the phenom is bested by the 2500k.
Battlefield Bad Company 2 can utilize the 6 cores of the phenom, and the phenom is bested by the 2500k.
The rendering programs in the benchmarks linked above can use the 6 cores of the phenom, and the phenom is bested by the 2500k.
If you want to stay with asus, the P8P67PRO seems to be the favorite: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
you could also opt for the ASRock EXtreme4, which is similar but cheaper: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
As for video card, I would suggest the 5850 over the gtx 460, as it's quite a bit cheaper: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
That ends my list of recommendations. Hope it works out!
EDIT: If you really like that Mobo, they have a p67 version I think, but it's expensiveee: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
you could also opt for the ASRock EXtreme4, which is similar but cheaper: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
As for video card, I would suggest the 5850 over the gtx 460, as it's quite a bit cheaper: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
That ends my list of recommendations. Hope it works out!
EDIT: If you really like that Mobo, they have a p67 version I think, but it's expensiveee: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
I would second the P8P67 PRO motherboard. It will be capable of SLI/Crossfire down the road should you decide to go that route. Another option is the Gigabyte UD4 for about the same price.
The Gigabyte UD3P is great if you don't plan to add a second graphics card in the future.
I see a lot of recommendations for the ASRock Extreme 4 for its price and great performance, but I guess I'm just biased towards Gigabyte and ASUS because those are the only brands I've ever used.
The Gigabyte UD3P is great if you don't plan to add a second graphics card in the future.
I see a lot of recommendations for the ASRock Extreme 4 for its price and great performance, but I guess I'm just biased towards Gigabyte and ASUS because those are the only brands I've ever used.
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