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GTX470 SLI vs GTX580

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February 25, 2011 2:40:23 PM

I am debating between going with Nvidia 470GTX SLI Dual-Cards versus NVidia 580GTX single card. I need to make the decision today, so if anyone can lend a hand today...that would be great.

PC Specs
Alienware Aurora
Intel i7 980 Extreme
Nvidia GTX460 SLI - Dual
12GB RAM
Windows 7 64bit
Dual Alienware 23" 3d monitors
3d Vision setup

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February 25, 2011 2:52:16 PM

I would go for gtx 580 sli if you are really trying to play 3d, its gonna be impossible to produce 120 fps in most games with a single gtx 580 so your best choice out of the two you listed is 580 sli if you really want to do 3d, looks like you already wasted money on an alienware so you might as well put two top of the line gpus in your machine in gtx 580 sli, but if you can wait for the gtx 590 (nvidias dual chipped card which is forthcoming) then that could be an option as well but it sounds like your setup is sli capable, now just a question if you case and psu can support it. If you were just gaming at 1080p (in 2d) with your current setup, I'd say gtx 460 sli is more than enough, but as an owner of 6870 crossfire I can see why you are looking to upgrade to acomplish that 120 fps (120hz, 60 per eye rendered) for 3d, good luck
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February 25, 2011 2:57:05 PM

Thanks JJ. I understand the sentiment with Alienware...I've had nothing but problems with maxing out the GPU capability. I've had issues with the NVidia GTX 460SLIs and Alienware is offering to replace them with either two GTX 470s or one GTX 580. I am gaming in 3d and I also use AutoCad 64bit.
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February 25, 2011 3:51:00 PM

get the 580, and if its not enough for upcoming games in 3D, then you always have the option to buy another one. Also, if you plan on gaming in 3D vision surround down the line, you're gonna need the extra VRAM of the 580's rather than the 470s. I'm planning a new build once sandy bridge is back online, and I'm looking at a 580 sli setup for 3D vision gaming....
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a c 412 Î Nvidia
February 25, 2011 5:22:12 PM

Since the dual GTX 470's are probably reference models, I think you will be unhappy with the noise they produce. They will be significantly louder than your two GTX 460's. Two GTX 470's will outperform a single GTX 580, but the 580 will be quiet and will really chew up any game, including 3D Vision. To check the performance difference, look at a review of the GTX 560 in SLI, those are comparable in performance to GTX 470's in SLI. The difference in performance over a GTX 580 is really significant, but the noise will be a factor.
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February 25, 2011 5:51:29 PM

how is the gtx 580 going to produce 120 fps constantly in todays most demanding games for playable 3d framerates if 460 sli will not? Unless I have my facts wrong how will that in affect "chew up" 3d games im confused...
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February 25, 2011 5:52:46 PM

unless Im really wrong on the 3d thing, 470 sli will provide a lot more power over a single 580 but like matto said, heat and noise could become a factor
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a c 412 Î Nvidia
February 25, 2011 6:00:13 PM

jjb8675309 said:
how is the gtx 580 going to produce 120 fps constantly in todays most demanding games for playable 3d framerates if 460 sli will not? Unless I have my facts wrong how will that in affect "chew up" 3d games im confused...

I guess it depends on the game and the settings, but 60 (30 x 2) fps and above will certainly be attainable in most games with max settings.
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February 25, 2011 6:50:26 PM

One of the biggest issues I am dealing with now is heat. My fans are running constantly high, but very quiet. The GTX 460(s) in SLI configuration run 3D games pretty well. I don't have a lot of complaints there. But because Alienware tried to cram so much crap into one smaller can, the heat builds up fast. Funny though, it seems as the GPU(s) freezing or crashing a game is intermittent and not easily reproduced under the same environment.

I thought the GTX 580 would be a better suit for the can, stability and heat dissipation wise, but lose out on the graphics performance compared to the Dual GTX 460s.

The other factor is the rendering in AutoCad 2011. These cards have a ton of capability, but it seems as though they are not used efficiently in this manner. I almost feel as though going to a Quadro 2000 may appease both side pretty well. No?
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February 25, 2011 8:27:10 PM

17seconds said:
I guess it depends on the game and the settings, but 60 (30 x 2) fps and above will certainly be attainable in most games with max settings.



ok I can follow your logic behind that
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March 9, 2011 11:54:08 PM

I picked up two GTX 480 SLI boards. I still have issues with running demanding games on them. They overheat very quickly, even when I remove the tower covers! I can't overclock without running into heat issues in 15 minutes. Also, I tried to overclock my i7 980 extreme to 4.1Ghz by upping my voltage to 1.35V, but run into issues in no time whatsoever. I think that Alienware came out with a bad design with the Aurora model. Too much junk in one can!

matto - FYI, I barely get 50fps with Heaven Benchmark running balls out on my cards and 2AA (3d stereo off). I was greatly disappointed in the performance of these cards.
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March 10, 2011 1:07:32 PM

yeah 480 sli is not a very good choice, you would have been much better off with sli gtx 560s, can you return them?
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April 7, 2011 1:10:11 PM

jjb8675309 said:
unless Im really wrong on the 3d thing, 470 sli will provide a lot more power over a single 580 but like matto said, heat and noise could become a factor



I have dual GTX470's......SLI mode......with a 1500 watt PSU....noise and heat are not an issue with ample power supply unit.....this is the key
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April 7, 2011 1:15:38 PM

Im currently adding a 3rd GTX 470...triple monitor setup ...1 65inch Mitsubishi 3D Dlp with 2 60 inch Mitsubishi 3D Dlp's......Acer 1010 Predator with 250 gig SSD and upgraded to the I7-980X...Nivida is compatible with Mitsubishi Dlp 3D HDTV...I love this setup...
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May 4, 2011 5:15:08 PM

I wish I had that much money to spend on my system. Your rigs are probably worth a freggin mortgage. Damn!
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July 31, 2011 5:04:52 AM

Just need to strike down a couple pieces of misinformation in this in this thread before I give my two cents.

First - Nvidia 3D Vision requires a monitor with a 120 HERTZ refresh rate. NOT a game that runs at 120 FPS. This is true for 3D Vision Surround as well.

Second - Having a power supply that is vastly in excess of your system requirements will NOT improve performance and will certainly not reduce noise.

Now that that's cleared up, I've also been weighing the differences between dual SLI GTX 470 and a single GTX 580. It is true that dual GTX 470 SLI is cheaper, 3D surround ready and out performs a single GTX 580 however, Two GTX 470s supposedly produces 55 decibels from 70cm away. That's approximately 20% quieter than a vacuum cleaner. That is, in my opinion, unacceptable. However, this problem can be circumvented by a liquid cooling system.

So I've broken down the debate to these options:

GTX 470 Dual SLI + Liquid Cooling system

Pros

- Higher performance.
- 3D Surround ready.
- Your system is nearly silent.
- You can easily add liquid cooling to your CPU as well.
- Significantly higher overclocking capacity.
- No overheating headaches or worries.
- Mass nerd cred.

Cons

- More expensive.
- More difficult to install.
- Higher power requirements.

Single GTX 580

Pros

- Easier to install.
- Cheaper.
- More upgradable in the future.
- Lower power requirements

Cons

- Louder.
- Hotter.
- Lower performance.
- Not 3D surround ready.
- Not as cool. :) 

So there you have it. I hope this information helps you or more likely others reading this post with the same question. I am going with the Dual 470 +liquid cooled option.
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July 31, 2011 5:12:31 AM

I do own a pair of 470's and they're treating me fairly well between advanced PhysX and 3D Vision.

Another plus is that the GTX 470 is fully compatible with the Mercury Engine that accelerates Adobe Software (Premiere Pro, After Effects, Photoshop, Flash, ect.)
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a c 81 Î Nvidia
July 31, 2011 6:25:42 AM

I have a pair of 470's which I found horribly loud. More recently, I upgrade my enclosure from an Antec 902 to a Silverstone Raven 2, with the better cooling and better sound prevention, they no longer give me noise issues. I still can't overclock them and keep them within reason, but they do get the job done for 3D vision.

That said, couldn't you go for 560 ti's in SLI instead of a 580? They are similarly priced and have much better noise levels.
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a c 171 Î Nvidia
July 31, 2011 11:39:43 AM

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