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May 2, 2011 10:55:40 PM

Hello all. I am about to attempt a first build and have selected the following parts:

ANTEC Twelve Hundred V3 Black Steel ATX Full Tower Case
ANTEC Earthwatts EA650 650 watt PSU
MSI 870A-G54 AM3 AMD 870 Motherboard
MSI R5770 Hawk Graphics Card
2 of G. Skill Ripjaw Series 4GB 250 pin DDR3 1333 (PC3 10666)
AMD Phenom II X4 965 Black Edition (quad – core, 3.4 GHz, 125 watt)
Western Digital Caviar Black 1 TB
ASUS Black SATA DVD Burner

I tried to put together parts with good feedback, not the cheapest. My main concern is compatibility of ram with MB or any other compatibility issues.

I checked the MSI website for the MB I chose along with the tested ram modules but newegg did not have the identical G. Skill models tested so I tried to pick something as close as possible.

Thanks in advance.

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May 2, 2011 10:56:35 PM

Are you gaming? If you are build a intel with a NVIDIA video card such as a . Geforce 570 gtx.
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a c 91 B Homebuilt system
May 3, 2011 12:32:02 AM

^ That ravening-wolf build is such a bad recommendation. The 550 Ti performs @ the level of a 460 768mb for 30$ more, a 5850 costs 10$ less than the 550 Ti but performs so much better. Another fault of that build is why recommend the i5 2500K w/ a H61 or H67 motherboard? It won't even be able to be overclocked. The only chipset allowing overclock is P67.

Check out the build guide in my siggy for help.

BTW Budget? Please fill out OP:
http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/261222-31-build-advic...

i3 2100 vs 955
http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/289?vs=88

i5 2500K vs 1100T
http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/288?vs=203
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a c 91 B Homebuilt system
May 3, 2011 4:27:42 AM

http://www.overclock.net/intel-motherboards/978830-h61-...

Say what? I can't find ANY article where it states "H61/H67 can overclock" The only thing I'm seeing is the turbo which is on all the Intel boards and that's not even overclocking. And even if you could overclock, the voltage tweaking is locked so your OC wouldn't get very far at all.

As for your argument about 5xx quieter than 4xx. I'm referring to the fact that you recommend a card that cannot preform. The 550 Ti. For its price, it cannot be recommended with other options being priced so closely, but still beating it. I didn't mention ANY other 5xx series or 4xx series card. I'm just saying, the 550 Ti is a terrible card for the price/perf.

Your argument is false, the 550 runs hotter than the 460 768mb.
http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/forum/hardware-canucks-r...

550 fails to beat the 460 768mb.
http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/forum/hardware-canucks-r...

Here the 550 even falls to the 5770
http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/forum/hardware-canucks-r...
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a c 91 B Homebuilt system
May 3, 2011 4:40:02 AM

I don't think an ENTIRE SERIES is comparable to a single card. 6790 > 550 Ti. IMO.

Are you stupid? It says it has the option to. DOESN'T MEAN YOU CAN! None of those reviewers state "I've overclocked my 2X00K to a certain ghz over the stock clock". You're clearly just delusional.
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a c 91 B Homebuilt system
May 3, 2011 4:45:12 AM

AXTU does NOT mean that it includes overclocking. Asrock mearly is saying that the software does that. They have that on their P67 boards as well. And AXTU offers more than just OC'ing. "Hardware Monitor, Fan Control and IES"

Also, Find me an article where it states CLEARLY that they've overclocked the 2500K with an H61/H67 board. Please let me see it.
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a c 91 B Homebuilt system
May 3, 2011 4:53:42 AM

OK Why would you not recommend older cards if they are a better deal. Also, then compare it to the 6790. Clearly better and of the same price....

That article is the same one I posted (more like a thread) It doesn't even say that they successfully overclocked a 2500K/2600K on an H61/H67 board. Are you mad? They give him a small OC at MOST! But why do that when you can just turbo clock it?
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a c 91 B Homebuilt system
May 3, 2011 5:24:44 AM

Yeah, the MSI board I say that mentioned in the thread (Overclocker forum) and they did say that it was included in the manual. Again, I wouldn't believe that they can OC until I ACTUALLY SEE a CPU-Z showing that an H61/H67 overclocked above the stock clock and above what the Turbo can do.

I agree with that "Hailblazer" build.

I do agree, the 5xx series isn't a bad series at all. But still, that doesn't mean older series cannot be recommended. The 460's were the paragon of the 4xx series and the 5850 was a solid card of the 5xxx series. Both are cards that still keep up with modern day cards and still have a large amount of support. So why not recommend it? The 5850 still keeps up with the 6850 and the 460 still beats out the 550 Ti. IDK, just me. The 550 didn't really update anything, no improved DX11 perf, or anything revolutionary. It was just a price filler.
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a c 91 B Homebuilt system
May 3, 2011 6:28:54 AM

Gawd Skullcrusher, get it through your head. I'M ONLY TALKING ABOUT THE 550TI ARE YOU SERIOUSLY TALKING ABOUT THE DAMN ENTIRE SERIES! Also, how is the 4xx series even remotely extinct if Nvidia doesn't have ANY other cards of the 5xx series to fill the spaces the 450 GTS and 460 GTX fill in now? How is the 5850 going extinct when it is only 1 generation behind the NEWEST generation of cards?

And are you seriously sticking to your argument of the overclocking. Show me a damn article then Skull. Proof or it doesn't do it at all. Have you tested it yourself? Is that why you know. Because I know from what all the articles say, H61/H67 DO NOT overclock.

Also, Do you not see the fact that I don't give a damn that the Cyclone is a different cooler from reference. The Asus DirectCu 460 768mb is cheaper and still does what that Cyclone does, just as quiet, just as efficient.
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May 3, 2011 2:42:43 PM

Thanks for the info to all,

AznShinobi: I filled out your questions:

Approximate Purchase Date: Would like to purchase soon, but not absolutely necessary

Budget Range: $800 -$1000 after rebates

System Usage from Most to Least Important: word document and spreadsheet processing, gaming, surfing the internet, watching movies

Parts Not Required: keyboard, mouse, monitor, speakers, OS(probably Ubuntu Linux)

Preferred Website(s) for Parts: newegg.com

Country of Origin: US

Parts Preferences: only want reliable, long lasting parts, even if more expensive

Overclocking: Maybe

SLI or Crossfire: Maybe

Monitor Resolution: 1024x768

Additional Comments: usually play low end opensource games, would like to have option of playing higher end games (though may be an issue to run on linux)

Would like a build that can be upgraded

Prefer full tower case for room and airflow

I have followed several of the links posted on this thread. The i5 intel processor seems better than AMD. I like the features of the p67 Asrock. I would like to be able to monitor fan speeds, system temp, etc.

I have never overclocked but would prefer option to do so.

Thanks. If you need more info or links to parts I listed let me know.
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May 3, 2011 5:21:54 PM

In regards to the H67 boards and over clocking...you can optimize a Sandy Bridge "K" cpu to 3.7...if you are lucky.

This build allows you to add another one of those factory over clocked gtx 560's later on for SLI.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... $59.99 FREE SHIPPING
COOLER MASTER HAF 912 RC-912-KKN1 Black SECC/ ABS Plastic ATX Mid Tower Computer Case

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... $104.99 - $89.99 after mail-in rebate card FREE SHIPPING
CORSAIR Enthusiast Series TX750 V2 750W ATX12V v2.31/ EPS12V v2.92 80 PLUS BRONZE Certified Active PFC High Performance Power Supply

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite... $229.98 FREE SHIPPING
CORSAIR Vengeance 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model CMZ8GX3M2A1600C9B
GIGABYTE GA-P67X-UD3-B3 LGA 1155 Intel P67 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite... $464.98 FREE SHIPPING
MSI N560GTX-TI Twin Frozr II/OC GeForce GTX 560 Ti (Fermi) 1GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Support Video Card
Intel Core i5-2500K Sandy Bridge 3.3GHz (3.7GHz Turbo Boost) LGA 1155 95W Quad-Core Desktop Processor BX80623I52500K

http://www.amazon.com/Samsung-Spinpoint-3-5-Inch-Intern... $59.99 & this item ships for FREE with Super Saver Shipping
Samsung Desktop Class Spinpoint F3 1 TB SATA 3.0 Gb-s 32 MB Cache 3.5-Inch Internal Bare-OEM Drives, HD103SJ

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... $23.99 FREE SHIPPING
Sony Optiarc Black 24X DVD+R 8X DVD+RW 12X DVD+R DL 24X DVD-R 6X DVD-RW 12X DVD-RAM 16X DVD-ROM 48X CD-R 32X CD-RW 48X CD-ROM 2MB Cache SATA CD/DVD Burner - OEM

Total: 943.92
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May 3, 2011 8:24:05 PM

striker410 said:
With the money saved, move the MOBO up to the P8P67PRO, it has 3 pci-e slots: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

That Asus Pro has 3 PCI-E slots just like the more inexpensive Asrock extreme4...and...and what? Finish the post please. If your going to post on a thread like this give the OP a full explanation of why you recommend that Asus Pro.

Here let me help you. First off the Asus Pro wasn't mean to run three vid cards, second the OP would have to up his psu, and third the benefits of tri SLI vs the cost are a complete waste of $.

So ya, don't be posting on any threads on this board recommending jack crap until you get a clue. When you do...then come back and post :) 
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a b B Homebuilt system
May 3, 2011 8:49:32 PM

I didn't say he should go tri-sli, and I see no reason why he should have to upgrade his PSU because of a simple motherboard switch.
The benefit of the 3rd PCI-e slot is what if he wished to put in a raid controller or Revodrive? I guess I should have clarified. I would use the money saved to get the PRO, as it's benefits are worth it to ME. I don't appreciate your useless flaming.
There are better ways to disagree than attempt to discredit me.
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a c 91 B Homebuilt system
May 3, 2011 10:42:35 PM

Skull getting it up to 3.7ghz isn't an overclock. That's using the Turbo clock which is what ALL of them do that. An overclock is like 4ghz which is entirely DIFFERENT from the turbo clock. Your clearly not getting the idea of "overclocking"

OP With your monitor resolution, a 600$ or even a 450$ build is overkill for it. A 6850 could max out @ that resolution, even a 5670. So I suggest just going with a lower budget. Check out my 600$ build in my siggy. It'll last you a LONG time.
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a b B Homebuilt system
May 4, 2011 1:23:33 AM

Hey bro, Shinobi knows his stuff. He helped me out with a build for a buddy a while ago.
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a c 91 B Homebuilt system
May 4, 2011 1:27:12 AM

Haha thanks Striker.

Skull I didn't mean it like that, it's just. Saying that H61/H67 can overclock. That's misleading because it can't. It can only turbo core. If you can tweak multiplier and voltages then your not really overclocking.
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May 4, 2011 2:22:37 PM

Well I decided to take Shinobi’s advice; namely that with my monitor a 900-1000 dollar build will be overkill. So I looked at his $600 build and used most of those recommended components. I’m not going to overclock for now. Here is what I came up with:

Coolermaster HAF 912 case:59.99

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Gigabyte GA P67A D3 B3 Motherboard: 109.99

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Intel Core i3 2100 processor: 124.99

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

G. Skill Ripjaw X (2x2Gb) DDR3 1300 (PC 10666) memory: 44.99

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Antec NEO ECO 620W PSU: 69.99

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

SAPPHIRE 100282Xtreme Radeon HD 5850: 139.99

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Samsung Spinpoint F3 1 TB: 69.99

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Asus DVD Burner: 20.99

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Total Cost: 640.92

Does this look good?
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a c 91 B Homebuilt system
May 4, 2011 10:06:59 PM

Looks solid. That PSU would allow for future CF if you ever needed to. Keep in mind, it doesn't come with a power cable. So you'll need that.

Do you live in CA? If you do, to avoid the sales tax use Amazon. Just a suggestion.
And I mean this in the most sincerest way, if you could buy the 2100 off my affiliation that'd be so awesome! I'd get a % and you pay the same as Newegg, if you don't want to you don't have to though.

http://www.amazon.com/Intel-Processor-i3-2100-LGA1155-B...

Oh Newegg sells the F3 for 70$, Amazon for 60$.
http://www.amazon.com/Samsung-Spinpoint-Cache-Desktop-H...
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a c 91 B Homebuilt system
May 4, 2011 10:08:00 PM

PS Skull, I'm sorry if I offended you in any way.
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a c 91 B Homebuilt system
May 4, 2011 10:28:56 PM

^ Hah, well I'll see, your builds look solid anyway. What job?
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a c 91 B Homebuilt system
May 4, 2011 10:40:39 PM

Haha, well I think your builds look good.
I just honestly think that You should have lower priced P67s. You don't always need the extreme for P67, my 1K build in my siggy is an example of that. It's a solid build that'll last a long time.
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a c 91 B Homebuilt system
May 4, 2011 10:51:41 PM

Silver vs Gold makes no difference at all. If something has 700w and is 80+ silver that meas it'll have more power than something that is 600w 80+ gold. Simple as that. Plus the separation of gold and silver is only 2% that's barely any at all and isn't worth the extra 10-30 or however much you are paying. What's lesser quality about my 1K build. Either way, a cheaper build is a cheaper build and will work to the level of a high quality build w/o much difference. It's like DDR3 1333 is 10-20$ cheaper than 1600 but still performs at 98% of 1600. It's like 16x/4x performing at 95% rather than 98% of the 8x/8x vs 100% with 16x/16x. It's also like how I prior explained, 80+ all are only seperated by less than 10%.
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a c 91 B Homebuilt system
May 5, 2011 12:06:22 AM

.... The 500w should be an Antec BP550 or Antec Neo Eco 520w which in the US can be found 60$ for the Neo Eco and 60-70 for the BP550.
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May 17, 2011 5:48:26 PM

To AznShinobi, WhyMe, and all others that gave advice:

Thanks very much! I typed this response using the new computer that I just booted for the first time.

Shinobi: I went ahead and ordered all parts from newegg. I was concerned that a part from amazon might be delayed and I wanted to get this thing built as soon as I received all parts, in case anything was doa. I would however be glad to do what you suggested the next time I order something for my computer. I may uograde my video card and I will gladly order through amazon to make you some cash and pay you back for your generous help. Again your advice is greatly appreciated.
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a c 91 B Homebuilt system
May 17, 2011 11:12:28 PM

Haha yeah no problem. Quick question though, did you end up getting the 5850? I'm aware that Newegg ran out of stock with the 5850 Xtreme a little after.
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May 18, 2011 3:35:13 PM

aznshinobi said:
Haha yeah no problem. Quick question though, did you end up getting the 5850? I'm aware that Newegg ran out of stock with the 5850 Xtreme a little after.


No, sadly I didn't get it in time. I considered getting it off of Amazon but didn't for reasons above. Even the ones on amazon went fast. I just purchased a 5770. I know it isn't the best but it was only $129 when I got it. I may upgrade in the future but at the moment it seems to be sufficient for my purposes. I was also concerned that a more high powered card would require proprietary drivers and I prefer open source (running ubuntu 11.04). I checked the ubuntu documentation and it does support the 5770 and 5850 and even some better cards with open source drivers. But I wasn't sure about a 6770 or above. I think in the past linux was known to have better support for nvidia but I am not sure now. The radeon 5770 seems to work fine.
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a c 91 B Homebuilt system
May 19, 2011 12:14:28 AM

^ -_- Of course it's powerful, it's 2X the price of the 5770. (Practically)
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