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$1400-1600 Gaming PC I really need your input please

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May 4, 2011 12:31:17 PM

Let me say now, I haven't built a system in quite some time. I am putting something together for a friend, and I told him that I would try to future proof his system as much as I could (like 4-5 years).

You guys/gals know more about this than I do so I just need some input on what I threw together for him.

Thank You

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Approximate Purchase Date: This week

Budget Range: $1400-1600

System Usage from Most to Least Important: Gaming

Parts Not Required: I don't think he wants a monitor

Preferred Website(s) for Parts: newegg.com

Country of Origin: The US

Parts Preferences: I'm open to ANY and ALL suggestions.

Overclocking: Probably not

SLI or Crossfire: Might do later

Monitor Resolution: I honestly don't know his res he uses or the monitor, but I went with the card I hoped would last him the longest.

Additional Comments: Was going to do a NVidia 3D system, but I couldn't build something awesome with needing to spend $500 for the monitor/3D vision kit, so we went for trying to future proof.

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I put my reasoning on the things i chose because I probably wont be able to answer questions until the evening and its 5:30 am, sorry about that. Feel free to suggest a completely different setup. I really appreciate ANY feedback.

Also Please give me some feedback on a Sound card, he doesn't want to use head phones and wants to use his speaker gear.

COOLER MASTER HAF 932 Advanced RC-932-KKN5-GP Black Steel ATX Full Tower
Case - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Feel free to suggest something else

Western Digital Caviar Black WD1001FALS 1TB 7200 RPM 32MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive
HDD - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
This was a good HDD from my memory, suggestions welcome.

EVGA SuperClocked 012-P3-1572-AR GeForce GTX 570 (Fermi) 1280MB 320-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP
GPU - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
This seemed like a great card, I would like to stick with Nvidia, feel free to suggest a different card.

CORSAIR Enthusiast Series CMPSU-850TX 850W ATX12V v2.2 / EPS12V v2.91 SLI Certified CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS Certified Active PFC Power Supply
PSU - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
I Chose this for if he wants to do SLI later, I don't know if 850 is really necessary.

G.SKILL Ripjaws X Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model F3-12800CL9D-8GBXL
RAM - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
This is what I gathered as good RAM from other people posts

ASRock P67 EXTREME6 (B3) LGA 1155 Intel P67 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard
Mobo - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Again, I was looking at other peoples builds it looks future proofish, suggest away I know very little about i5's

Intel Core i5-2500K Sandy Bridge 3.3GHz (3.7GHz Turbo Boost) 4 x 256KB L2 Cache 6MB L3 Cache LGA 1155 95W Quad-Core
CPU - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
This looked future proof and cost effective, we were thinking maybe i7 at first, but read around here that not really useful for gaming

Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 64-bit English 1-Pack - OEM
OS - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Needed and OS

LG Black 10X BD-ROM 16X DVD-ROM 48X CD-ROM SATA Internal Blu-ray Drive Model UH12LS28 OEM LightScribe Support - OEM
Disk Drive - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Will this be fine for a Disk Drive? I have no idea hah

All together, its looking to total about $1,486.38

More about : 1400 1600 gaming input

May 4, 2011 12:49:43 PM

Seems like you covered all your bases pretty well. Might want to consider a Samsung Spinpoint f3 hard drive instead
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May 4, 2011 1:50:42 PM

+1 to getting a Samsung Spinpoint F3 1TB as it is faster even than the newer/updated, supposedly faster WD 1TB FAEX. And it'll likely be cheaper.

Even if you added a second GTX 570 a good 750W PSU would be enough imo. Overclocking might justify more than 750W. Getting two even more power hungry video cards might also justify getting more.
Don't get the old Corsair TXs, get the new ones if you have to.
Corsair 850TXV2 80Plus Bronze $125 ($10 rebate)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Corsair 750TXV2 80Plus Bronze $105 ($15 rebate)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
The XFX Pro Core editions are based on the same design as the Corsair TXV2s so if you don't mind the tiny variation in quality then you can get one of those as well.
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May 4, 2011 1:58:14 PM

Monitor resolution means what resolution he's using. The graphics power needed for gaming at 1024x768 is vastly different than what's needed for 2560x1600.

A HD swap to a spinpoint F3 1tb as suggested above would also be an improvement.

I wouldn't go asrock for long term use. They're a budget oriented mobo company and with their 1 year, (temp 2 year) warranty, isn't that good compared to the 3 yr one offered by other companies. Also, their products are fine, but their build quality is inferior to Asus and gigabyte.

Either the Asus p8p67 Pro or Ga P67A-Ud4 for $180 would be fine.

GPU wise you don't need to pay extra for a factory OC one. Very easy to do yourself, no point paying someone to click a few buttons for you.

EVGA is a good company though.

If you're not overclocking why are you getting a K CPU? Those are specifically designed for overclocking and you're paying extra for that feature. Besides, OC in SB is much simpler. The only things you'll need to change are multiplier and for higher OC's, voltage.
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May 4, 2011 2:07:33 PM

S/PDIF Out; 1 x Optical, 1 x Coaxial already built in, as well as HDMI. However nVidia does not support 8 channel audio out of their HDMI ports. You do not need to upgrade your sound card.

Save money on the case: Get an in-Win Track (lots of cooling and room and it's built EXTREMELY nice). http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

I use a scythe mugen-2 cooler (I overclock to 4.6 GHz with this setup easily, even though with the case you are going to have to remove the 230mm fan for the heatsink to fit): http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Get a gigabyte 900 MHz 560 ti and overclock it to 950 or 1000 and it will outperform that 570. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Antec 750W PSU (more than enough for SLI later): http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Samsung spinpoint F3 1TB HDD: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Get the extreme4 motherboard instead of the extreme6 (save $50): http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

If you are NOT going to overclock, get the 2500 instead of the 2500k. Save $15. The 2500k is a superior processor because it is unlocked and therefore EASY to overclock especially with the preset overclock settings in the UEFI bios on your motherboard.

If you have your heart set on that optical drive, I suggest adding a second one with 24x DVD burning on it for $20.

This setup should save you a LOT of money and get you the same performance.
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May 4, 2011 2:45:59 PM

Here is one other thing to consider. For a while the NVIDIA based gpus have been much better but I think the times are changing or changed. If you are considering SLI or Crossfire in the future then check this link out.

It seems that 3 underclocked 6970s (6990 + 6970) beat 3 580s for $500 less.
Imagine slightly better performance out of 3 reference-clocked 6970s for slightly more savings.
http://www.hardocp.com/article/2011/04/28/nvidia_geforc...

The same also seems to be true for 2 6950's for a dual setup
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May 4, 2011 2:57:35 PM

Another note. That 850TX is a fine PSU, but you can get the 750HX for the same price. It is modular, of a higher quality, more efficient, and will still give you plenty of room to OC your CPU and GPU(s), whether they be 560s or 6950s. A full system with a 2600k and Crossfired (non-overclocked) HD6950s pulled 432 watts during Furmark

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/crossfire-sli-3-way...
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May 4, 2011 2:58:56 PM

This is a healthy budget, so keep the -K CPU. As banthracis said, OCing is super easy and could add a year or so to the effective lifespan. You don't have to get an aftermarket cooler now, but it would be easier to install before everything is in the case. With the price increase of the Hyper 212+, I would go with a Scythe Mugen 2 for a couple bucks more.

AMD is the current king of the price/performance for this generation of GPU. A 6970 outperforms the 570 for $20-30 less. Crossfire (HD 6xxx series) also scales noticeably better than SLI (GTX 5xx series) as two 6950s are almost even (98-99% at 1920x1080) in performance with SLI'd 570s for around $100 less. I don't mean to turn you off of nVidia...rather I just want you to make a better-informed decision. Proof is below.
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/crossfire-sli-3-way...

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... <--MSI HD 6970 $340
http://www.amazon.com/MSI-Radeon-Express-Graphics-R6950... <--MSI HD 6950 $275

http://www.amazon.com/Samsung-Spinpoint-Cache-Desktop-H... <--Spinpoint F3 $61, free shipping

I'm a fan of modular power supplies, and the budget calls for one. I like the Corsair HX and XFX Black Editions (sold out :(  ). 750 watts will be enough for two 6970s or 570s. They are a little more costly, but you get superior build quality and better efficiency (80 Plus Silver)

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... <--Corsair 750HX $140 ($10 MIR), $8.50 shipping
http://www.amazon.com/Corsair-CMPSU-750HX-Professional-... <--Same as above, free shipping

I like the 932 Advanced. It's a bit spendy, but worth it IMO. For a bit less you can get the new Cooler Master Storm Enforcer. I think I might end up getting it myself if I can find free shipping.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... <-- Storm Enforcer $90, $20 shipping
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May 4, 2011 3:17:25 PM

Oh and as I also need to credit and thank ND Hunter for my info and links above. Very good advice He helped me big time on mycurrent order/build which is very similar to yours
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May 4, 2011 3:59:02 PM

Right now Newegg is out of stock on the
MSI R6950-2PM2D2GD5 Radeon HD 6950 2GB 256-bit GDDR5 (A real Bummer)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

They do have the
MSI R6950 Twin Frozr II OC Radeon HD 6950 2GB 256-bit GDDR5
Which seems similar except for much better cooling and overclocking but also $15 more. Might just be better to order through Amazon(link provided by ND Hunter)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

I mention this because I like you also want to try and purchase everything from the same place. I do think the extra fan and heat pipes are a real bonus as these newer generation gpus tend to run warm. If you Crossfire these(and OC) then you may want to stick with the 850w psu
CORSAIR HX Series CMPSU-850HX 850W ATX12V 2.3 / EPS12V 2.91 80 PLUS
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
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May 4, 2011 4:31:31 PM

technoidgit said:
Right now Newegg is out of stock on the
MSI R6950-2PM2D2GD5 Radeon HD 6950 2GB 256-bit GDDR5 (A real Bummer)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

They do have the
MSI R6950 Twin Frozr II OC Radeon HD 6950 2GB 256-bit GDDR5
Which seems similar except for much better cooling and overclocking but also $15 more. Might just be better to order through Amazon(link provided by ND Hunter)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

I mention this because I like you also want to try and purchase everything from the same place. I do think the extra fan and heat pipes are a real bonus as these newer generation gpus tend to run warm. If you Crossfire these(and OC) then you may want to stick with the 850w psu
CORSAIR HX Series CMPSU-850HX 850W ATX12V 2.3 / EPS12V 2.91 80 PLUS
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...


750 watts would still be fine for an overall system overclock (CPU and GPUs).

Here's a more comprehensive article on GPU power consumption.
http://www.legitreviews.com/article/1488/18/

A full system with Crossfired HD 6970s pulls 596 watts at the wall during stress testing. This was done on an LGA 1366 system (i7-970) using a Corsair 850HX, which has an 80 Plus Silver Rating. At 85% efficiency, the PSU is outputting 506 watts to power everything.
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May 4, 2011 4:48:19 PM

Save some $ on that case...

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B001EPUQAE/ref=ox_sc_a... $154.48 & this item ships for FREE with Super Saver Shipping
Cooler Master HAF 932 Advanced Full Tower Case with SuperSpeed USB 3.0 - (RC-932-KKN5-GP)

That Asrock extreme6 is a beautiful board, but it's geared more for someone who plans on doing some hardcore over clocking. This board down below will give you a mild over clock and allow for SLI.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite... $229.98 FREE SHIPPING
CORSAIR Vengeance 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model CMZ8GX3M2A1600C9B
GIGABYTE GA-P67X-UD3-B3 LGA 1155 Intel P67 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard

850w is great for dual 570's...this way you have a bit of headroom. Here's one manufactured by Seasonic...just as that Corsair is.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... $119.99 - $109.99 after mail-in rebate
XFX Core Edition PRO850W (P1-850S-NLB9) 850W ATX12V / EPS12V SLI Certified CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS BRONZE Certified Active PFC Power Supply

or...

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... $124.99
Seasonic SS-850HT 850W ATX12V v2.31,EPS12V v2.92 80Plus Silver Certified, Active PFC Power Supply - OEM

Now in case your friend does decide to over clock later on...here's a decent deal on a cpu h/s that includes thermal paste....

http://www.amazon.com/Cooler-Master-Hyper-Sleeve-RR-B10... $31.44 & this item ships for FREE with Super Saver Shipping
Cooler Master Hyper 212 Plus 120mm Sleeve CPU Cooler, RR-B10-212P-G1
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May 5, 2011 7:27:38 AM

I'm telling you guys, a gtx 560 ti, that you can buy for $249 with a $20 rebate, EASILY overclocks to 950-1000 MHz.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
When you overclock it, it outperforms all of those $350 cards. WHY then would you waste your money? There is even an entire review comparing benchmarks on the OC'd cards on this website. They are a good deal. Save your money. Antec power supply is rated very high on the PSU tiers as well as at hardwaresecrets and johnnyguru. No need to spend another $65-100 dollars on another power supply unless you REALLY want modular, however the antec supply has only a FEW hardwired cables and is mostly modular already. And it's $85. Save your money. If you aren't planning on getting 4 video cards, get an ASRock Extreme4 or an ASUS Pro board. If you are really so adamant on wasting money, I can give you my address. They are right though, get the 2500k. Even with stock cooling, with a UEFI bios, you click like 2 tabs and a drop down window, click save and exit, and your processor get's a 20% increase at cool temperatures. OR you can spend $32 ( http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite... ) and get a 40% increase in processor speed, it's a good deal. I would get this for a full tower case though: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
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May 5, 2011 3:30:44 PM

If you're gonna take OC potential into account for price/performance, the HD 6950 2gb is by far the best.

$245 for xfx one
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

The ability for a fair number of these to be turned into 6970's combined with the extra VRAM, shaders and stream processors, + ability to OC to 1000mhz makes it a much better value than a 560 ti.

However, we do NOT judge the value of a card by OC ability when making recommendations. Simple reason is no OC is guaranteed. Just because 1 person has an amazing chip does not mean every chip of that line can do the same.

There are i7-2600k chips that hit 5 ghz with only 1.4v, i5 2500k's that hit 5.4ghz with 1.45v. Others can't make it past 4.5ghz no matter the voltage. Same thing applies to GPU's.
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May 5, 2011 3:34:22 PM

^ Very well put. +1
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May 5, 2011 3:39:45 PM

hopefully I get a 5.4ghz chip when I purchase ;) 
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May 5, 2011 4:11:09 PM

I looked over that In-Win case and gotta say I'm not too impressed, even though it's $100 after the instant and mail-in-rebates. I don't like the light-up logo on the front. Maybe you can switch it off, I don't know, but it looks blindingly bright. The USB 3.0 it boasts isn't ideal either. You have to route the cable out the back of the case and plus them into the rear I/O shield. The HAF uses a motherboard header. Screwless expansion slot mounting? No thanks, I'll take a few more seconds to screw the cards in. The side fan is mounted too high and will need to be removed if you use a tower-style CPU cooler. It does look bad-ass, so I'll give you that I guess...
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May 5, 2011 4:17:15 PM

I prefer the HAF 932 advanced or the 922 if you want to get a cheaper case
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