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February 28, 2011 8:45:06 PM

there's kind of a fuzziness/barely visible lines to my screen and a little bit of lag/choppyness when i wow. whats wrong?

geforce gtx 460 768mb gddr5. gc version

-HP windows vista service pack 2
-4G Ram
-64 bit operating system
-Processor: intel(R) pentium(R) dual CPU E2220 @ 2.40GHz 2.40GHZ
500 w psu
atx cpu
pcie x16 slot
my Monitor is 1440x900 720p hd

just installed the psu and graphics card today. just installed drivers too.

would removing what looks like the old graphics card help? i don't know if it is a graphics card though because i thought i had a build in card in the motherboard.

ive checked everything and i really dont know what the problem could be. (i understand that alot of my specs bottleneck my card just seeing if that really is the problem)
a b U Graphics card
February 28, 2011 9:02:00 PM

Uninstall the 460's drivers then take out the gtx460, uninstall your old card's drivers and then take the card out, if it's a integrated card then also disable it from you motherboard BIOS, can't tell you how exactly because every motherboard is different but is usually quite easy to find that option.

Put the 460 back in, download and run driver sweeper under safe mode to remove any leftovers related to display drivers from your HDD, and NOW you can install the latest drivers from nvidia's site.

Also list the brand and model of your PSU please.
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February 28, 2011 9:03:24 PM

just says atx psu bought it off tiger direct was like 30.
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a b U Graphics card
February 28, 2011 9:09:07 PM

Try the driver stuff first, if that doesn't solve it that crappy PSU would be the first suspect.
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February 28, 2011 9:10:25 PM

what do you think i should have got for a psu?
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a b U Graphics card
February 28, 2011 9:15:52 PM

Did you connect the PS cable to the card?
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February 28, 2011 9:19:06 PM

rockyjohn said:
Did you connect the PS cable to the card?


ya with 2 6 pins
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a b U Graphics card
February 28, 2011 9:41:15 PM

Something decent atleast, from any respectable brand, skimping on the PSU is the worst thing you can do, it could lead to a total system fail when it goes up in smoke and take the rest of the components away with it
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a c 546 U Graphics card
February 28, 2011 9:46:53 PM

v18 said:
what do you think i should have got for a psu?

A reference GeForce GTX 460 has two PCI Express Supplementary Power Connectors.

Did you connect PCI-E power connectors from the power supply unit to both PCI Express Supplementary Power Connectors on the graphics card?

At minimum you have selected a trusted name brand (e.g. Antec, Corsair, Enermax, PC Power & Cooling, Seasonic, XFX) 450 Watt or higher power supply unit that has at least two or more 6-Pin (or 6+2-Pin) PCI-Express Supplementary Power Connectors.
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February 28, 2011 10:00:22 PM

so its probably not getting enough power because of the crappy psu?


my comp

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a c 546 U Graphics card
February 28, 2011 10:17:43 PM

v18 said:
so its probably not getting enough power because of the crappy psu?


my comp

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Your use of the Molex to PCI-E power connectors would indicate that your power supply unit wasn't designed to handle higher end graphics cards.

I would recommend that you replace it with a better one.
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February 28, 2011 10:25:06 PM

Don't waste your money; if it's not sufficient to power the card it'll shut down during 3D applications. The GPU is not running at max speed in 2D windows and is not drawing excessive power. There is absolutely no problem using two adapters to power the card if the power supply is sufficient.

Lines/fuzziness sounds like a driver problem or a bent or missing ping; look at your VGA/DVI connectors at both ends. The chopiness in WOW suggests it's the drivers.
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February 28, 2011 10:36:59 PM

The chopiness is from your Q6600 bottlenecking your video card; I had the same problem when I first got my 460.

Those lines look like a refresh rate problem; make sure the proper drivers are installed for the video card as well as the monitor. Try changing the refresh rate to 59hz. Change the resolution and see if the lines go away.
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February 28, 2011 10:48:26 PM

do you think it will be anything other than an eyesore if i leave it that way for now or will it damage my computer?
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a c 546 U Graphics card
February 28, 2011 11:00:33 PM

I would say that your power supply is generating high ripple and noise when it's being pushed near its limits. The symptoms seem to confirm it.
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February 28, 2011 11:04:24 PM

I think it could damage your display if you don't fix it.

It's not a PSU problem with noise/ripple with an HP power supply; if anything it's underpowered which it isn't since it doesn't shut down during 3D applications.
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February 28, 2011 11:13:27 PM

i turned the refresh rate up to 75 and that help'd alot
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February 28, 2011 11:17:56 PM

I like how others who posted here had no clue what they were talking about. But good job picking up the symptoms of a bad PSU guys!
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a c 546 U Graphics card
March 1, 2011 3:58:44 AM

minitron815 said:
The chopiness is from your Q6600 bottlenecking your video card;

So why didn't you tell the OP to change the E2220 dual core CPU that is in the current system to a quad core Q6600 before making this uninformed statement?


minitron815 said:
It's not a PSU problem with noise/ripple with an HP power supply; if anything it's underpowered which it isn't since it doesn't shut down during 3D applications.

Why didn't you tell the OP to change out the current atx psu that was bought from tiger direct for $30 back to the original one that was in the HP system before making this uninformed statement?
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March 1, 2011 10:55:14 PM

i turned up the refresh rate and on about medium settings the choppyness is gone and the lines are less visible. But if i got a new cpu motherboard and possibly psu all problems would be most likely gone right?(and performance ehanced obv.)..... any suggestions on a cpu and motherboard for what will (hopefully) one day be a gaming computer?
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a c 546 U Graphics card
March 1, 2011 11:58:59 PM

v18 said:
i turned up the refresh rate and on about medium settings the choppyness is gone and the lines are less visible. But if i got a new cpu motherboard and possibly psu all problems would be most likely gone right?(and performance ehanced obv.)..... any suggestions on a cpu and motherboard for what will (hopefully) one day be a gaming computer?

Do you have a budget that you want to work within?
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March 2, 2011 3:06:09 AM

like 200 i guess.... idk how unreasonable that sounds.
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a c 546 U Graphics card
March 2, 2011 7:14:01 PM

If you can take a picture of the label that is stuck on the side of your current power supply unit and post it here it would be helpful.

I would say that your current CPU & motherboard is holding you back. Its locked down BIOS doesn't allow you to do any over clocking of the CPU. You might be able to just upgrade the CPU on your current motherboard. Since you haven't posted the original make and model number of your pre-built system, it's difficult to offer any advice. You would need to provide the make and model number of the motherboard and its current BIOS version.

If you choose to upgrade the motherboard, CPU and memory what technology do you prefer to use, AMD or Intel?

What size motherboard, ATX or mATX (micro ATX)? If you're going to be using the same case, that you've shown in the picture above, then it will have to be an mATX form factor motherboard.

What memory modules are you currently using? Is it at least DDR3-1066/1333? If not then you'll have to budget for new memory.
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March 2, 2011 8:57:35 PM

ko888 said:
If you can take a picture of the label that is stuck on the side of your current power supply unit and post it here it would be helpful.

I would say that your current CPU & motherboard is holding you back. Its locked down BIOS doesn't allow you to do any over clocking of the CPU. You might be able to just upgrade the CPU on your current motherboard. Since you haven't posted the original make and model number of your pre-built system, it's difficult to offer any advice. You would need to provide the make and model number of the motherboard and its current BIOS version.

If you choose to upgrade the motherboard, CPU and memory what technology do you prefer to use, AMD or Intel?

What size motherboard, ATX or mATX (micro ATX)? If you're going to be using the same case, that you've shown in the picture above, then it will have to be an mATX form factor motherboard.

What memory modules are you currently using? Is it at least DDR3-1066/1333? If not then you'll have to budget for new memory.


HP. atx. model a6838f. bought in 2007. amd they seem cheaper.

ill put up pictures in a bit.



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March 2, 2011 9:15:01 PM

Never have come across these symptoms but im pretty sure ko888 is hitting around the ball park

a 460 (correct me if im wrong) requires at least a 550 watt PSU

Before we get to that, have you changed the power cord to your monitor and swapped out the VGA or DVI cable going to the monitor? These might be causing the lines that you are talking about

Did you uninstall the previous drivers before installing the new graphics card drivers?

Im not aware of any PSU that has 550+ watts for around 30 dollars except for cheapos, which I wouldnt recommend

Im saying spend 50 -75 dollars on a decent 600 watt power supply and those ripples go away

As for choppy gameplay..seems it could be:
-power
-CPU bottleneck
-as for your MOBO...looks kinda old so that could be the issue as well

Hoping this helps

Uber
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a c 546 U Graphics card
March 2, 2011 10:58:44 PM

v18 said:
HP. atx. model a6838f. bought in 2007. amd they seem cheaper.

ill put up pictures in a bit.

It doesn't seem worthwhile to upgrade the Pentium Dual-Core E2220 to a Core 2 Quad Q9xxx Yorkfield because the cheapest Yorkfield is going to cost you at least $240 new.

If you can find any new/used Core 2 Quad Q9650, Q9550, Q9505, Q9500, Q9450, Q9400, Q9300 95 Watt Max TDP models for a good price (less than $130) then it might be worth the upgrade.

Your DDR2 memory modules won't be reusable in a new build since it's all DDR3 now.

For gaming even the cheapest Sandy Bridge with 2 Cores (4 Threads) i3-2100 Sandy Bridge processor (currently $129.99 at Newegg) performs better than AMD's Phenom II X4 970 Black Edition Deneb (currently $179.99 at Newegg) when using stock clock speeds.
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March 3, 2011 12:20:35 AM

UberGenocide said:
a 460 (correct me if im wrong) requires at least a 550 watt PSU


they recommend a 450w
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March 3, 2011 1:01:16 AM

i was thinking about buying a few parts could you guys tell me if it would be worth it/compatible for my situation?

one of these processors.

processor #1
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/ite...
AMD Athlon II X2 260 Dual Core Processor
Manufacturer: AMD

CPU Type: Desktop
Processor Interface: Socket AM3
Processor Class: Athlon II X2
Processor Speed: X2 260 / 3.20GHz
Cores: Dual
L2 Cache: 512KB
Fan: Included
Wattage: 65W
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processor #2
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/ite...

AMD Athlon II X3 450 Triple Core Processor
Manufacturer: AMD
CPU Type: Desktop
Processor Interface: Socket AM3
Processor Class: Athlon II X3
Processor Speed: 3.20GHz
Cores: Triple
L2 Cache: 1.5MB
Fan: Included
Wattage: 95W
Additional Technologies: MMX
Enhanced 3DNow!
NX bit
Cool'n'Quiet
AMD Virtualization

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PSU

http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/ite...

Cooler Master GX Series 750W Power Supply
Form Factor: ATX
Wattage: 750W
SLI/Crossfire: SLI Ready
Modular Cabling: No
Special Features: SLI Ready
80PLUS
Active PFC
Energy Efficiency: 80 PLUS Bronze
Fan: 120 mm
Input Voltage: 110~240VAC
+3.3V: 25 A
+5V: 25 A
+12V 1: 60 A
+12V Rails: 1
-12V: 0.5 A
+5VSB: 2.5 A
Motherboard Connector: 20+4 Pin
4-Pin P4: 1
6-Pin/8-Pin PCI-Express Connector: 4
4-Pin Floppy Connector: 1
4-Pin Peripheral Connector: 3
SATA Power Connector: 9

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motherboard

http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/ite...

MSI 785GTM-E45 Motherboard
Processor Socket: AMD

Processor Interface: Socket AM2+

Form Factor: Micro ATX

Processors Supported: AMD Athlon
AMD Sempron
AMD Phenom
AMD Phenom II
AMD Athlon II

Additional Technologies: AMD Cool 'n' Quiet
HyperTransport Bus: 2.6GHz
Northbridge: AMD® 785G and SB710 Chipset
Southbridge: SB710
Memory Type: DDR2
Maximum Memory Supported: 8GB - 64-Bit
Channels: 8 Channels
Audio Chipset: Realtek® High-End Audio
LAN Type: 10/100/1000 Fast Ethernet
PCI Slots: 2
PCI Express X1 Slots: 1
PCI Express X16 Slots: 1
RAID Support: Yes
PS/2 Keyboard Connectors: 1
PS/2 Mouse Connectors: 1
USB Ports (Total): 4
LAN Ports: 1
Serial ATA 3.0Gb/s Headers: 6
DVI Ports: 1
HDMI Ports: 1
Length: 24.4cm
Width: 22.9cm

in the review the guy said there is a pcie 2.0 on this mb


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specs


-geforce gtx 460 768mb gddr5. gc version
-HP windows vista service pack 2
-4G Ram
-64 bit operating system
-Processor: intel(R) pentium(R) dual CPU E2220 @ 2.40GHz 2.40GHZ
500 w psu
atx cpu
pcie x16 slot
my Monitor is 1440x900 720p hd
HP. atx. model a6838f. bought in 2007.
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a c 546 U Graphics card
March 3, 2011 4:16:28 AM

The Cooler Master GX 750 W is a poor choice for a PSU. It is only safe to run this new Cooler Master unit up to 450 Watts. At a 600 Watt power draw the electrical noise level at +3.3 V and +5VSB outputs are above the maximum allowed. High electrical noise levels can overload and even damage components in your computer.

This Corsair TX650W CMPSU-650TX Power Supply is a phenomenally better unit for the same price. It is even capable of delivering an insane 780 Watts before the overload protection circuit will shut it down.
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=3438607&CatId=1483
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March 3, 2011 1:56:14 PM

ko888 said:
The Cooler Master GX 750 W is a poor choice for a PSU. It is only safe to run this new Cooler Master unit up to 450 Watts. At a 600 Watt power draw the electrical noise level at +3.3 V and +5VSB outputs are above the maximum allowed. High electrical noise levels can overload and even damage components in your computer.

This Corsair TX650W CMPSU-650TX Power Supply is a phenomenally better unit for the same price. It is even capable of delivering an insane 780 Watts before the overload protection circuit will shut it down.
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=3438607&CatId=1483



what about everything else?
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a c 546 U Graphics card
March 3, 2011 3:41:48 PM

v18 said:
what about everything else?

Gaming will use up to three cores/threads so choose processor #2 AMD ADX450WFGMBOX Athlon II X3 450 Triple Core Processor - 3.20GHz, Socket AM3, 1.5MB Cache, Retail w/ Fan.

The MSI 785GTM-E45 motherboard will support the above processor and will fit in your existing case. MSI's specs say that it has 1 PCI Express x16 slot (PCI Express Bus SPEC V2.0 compliant) so your GeForce GTX 460 should have no problems.
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March 4, 2011 2:55:45 AM

ko888 said:
Gaming will use up to three cores/threads so choose processor #2 AMD ADX450WFGMBOX Athlon II X3 450 Triple Core Processor - 3.20GHz, Socket AM3, 1.5MB Cache, Retail w/ Fan.

The MSI 785GTM-E45 motherboard will support the above processor and will fit in your existing case. MSI's specs say that it has 1 PCI Express x16 slot (PCI Express Bus SPEC V2.0 compliant) so your GeForce GTX 460 should have no problems.



thank you. i saw a review of that motherboard that said it has a pcie 2.0 x16 is that true?
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a c 546 U Graphics card
March 4, 2011 2:57:58 AM

v18 said:
thank you. i saw a review of that motherboard that said it has a pcie 2.0 x16 is that true?

Yes.
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