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March 1, 2011 10:50:04 PM

I recently upgraded from a crossfire 4850 512mb setup into a single 6950 2gb, and I lost performance in Crysis. The CF 4850's averaged 45 FPS with the low around 30 and the 6950 is about 38-40 fps with lows 20-25. Is there anything other than crappy drivers that could cause this? I have the 11.2 installed and have heard of issues with 11.2 and crossfire, but this seems a bit ridiculous. Anyone have ideas?

Also, in WoW which scales horribly with CF I would get 65-75 fps and with the 6950 I am only at 78 fps. if anything, I should see a massive difference in WoW since it doesn't really utilize CF that well and a 6950 2gb is much much more powerful than a 512mb 4850.

My setup:

Phenom II X4 955 BE with hyper 212
MSI 790FX-GD70 Mobo
HSI HD6950 2gb
Corsair 750W Power Supply
Intel X-25M 80gig SSD
Samsung Spinpoint F3 500gb
Antec 300 Case


Also, the Card is idling at 50 degrees right after it is turned on... This seems high? I will clean up the wires in my case later tonight to see if it makes a difference.

Any help is appreciated.

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March 1, 2011 11:06:04 PM

certain games dont support crossfire, and crossfire setup do have issues somethimes even if crossfire is supported in that specific game, also 50 degrees idle isnt that high for a 6950, if u want to lower temps, use the fan speed program that also overclocks ur video card that comes with cataclyst control center, dont be shy u can bring the fan speed to 75% speed and it wont break, might be a bit louder but it will run cooler than the stock fan speed settings.

cheers
March 1, 2011 11:13:15 PM

iceclock said:
certain games dont support crossfire, and crossfire setup do have issues somethimes even if crossfire is supported in that specific game, also 50 degrees idle isnt that high for a 6950, if u want to lower temps, use the fan speed program that also overclocks ur video card that comes with cataclyst control center, dont be shy u can bring the fan speed to 75% speed and it wont break, might be a bit louder but it will run cooler than the stock fan speed settings.

cheers



Thanks for the bit about the fan, I will do that certainly. However what you said about the crossfire is exactly correct, but now I am running a single 6950, so I would expect a huge increase in WoW as it doesnt use crossfire well and is essentially a 4850 to a 6950, and In Crysis I just don't know why there would be an FPS drop.
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March 1, 2011 11:18:26 PM

have u removed ur old ati drivers, and reinstalled the latest drivers, that would help, also make shur u have the latest system drivers, and windows updates, and also the latest crysis patch and wow patch ;) 
March 1, 2011 11:22:50 PM

iceclock said:
have u removed ur old ati drivers, and reinstalled the latest drivers, that would help, also make shur u have the latest system drivers, and windows updates, and also the latest crysis patch and wow patch ;) 



I deleted the driver from the control panel/device manager, and then went into safe mode and ran driver sweeper to get rid of the rest of my old drivers. Crysis isnt patched, I will try that later, but WoW is for certain.
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March 1, 2011 11:23:49 PM

ok :)  let us know how it went
March 2, 2011 12:46:34 AM

Patched crysis, no difference. I enabled dx11 in WoW, still at 75-80 fps. I don't understand how a massively more powerful GPU like the 6950 performs worse as a single card in wow compared to a single 4850. Any ideas?
March 2, 2011 1:32:41 AM

Have tried 11.2, 11.1, 10.12a no noteworthy differences, still lower FPS in Crysis, WoW, and SC2 compared to 512mb 4850 in CF. Any ideas? Its frustrating spending a lot of money on a card that is two generations newer and getting worse performance.
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March 2, 2011 7:14:27 PM

crysis shouldnt run slower on a 6950, and 2 crossfired 4850 is still decent setup,

i cant say why u getting slower fps, but if it runs smooth and looks great why would it matter, and its possible somethimes older games run slower on new piece of hardware, because the game was coded for older hardware somethimes it will run slower on newer faster products, its just a hypothesis that some beleive, but like i said, 2 4850s are pretty fast, and a 6950 is quite fast, so ur results dont seem that bad, crysis is a very taxing game when u play in 1080p resolution and in ultra mode with aa at 8x and af at 16x,

March 3, 2011 12:38:35 AM

An update: Just in case it was a bottleneck issue I overclocked my 955 to 3.8 ghz, and for WoW it completely solved the issue. I am getting 80-110 fps with ultra 8xaa no problems.

However, even with the OC to 3.8 I am getting ~20 fps in crysis, and it is unplayable. So throwing out the bottleneck theory, and considering I had 30-40 FPS in Crysis on Medium with the CF 4850's, I am still getting ~20 fps on medium settings in 1920x1200.

Anyone know of a particular case similar to mine or a possible solution? Does the 6950 just suck with crysis?
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March 3, 2011 12:41:34 AM

have you tried flashing your 6950 into a 6970?It will give you a huge boost in performance
March 3, 2011 1:33:28 AM

celpas said:
have you tried flashing your 6950 into a 6970?It will give you a huge boost in performance




Have not tried it yet, I was waiting a few months to see if there are more reports about failed cards from doing this. I think the point still stands that a 6950 should be doing 60+fps on high settings in crysis.
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March 3, 2011 3:02:43 AM

It really sounds like you have tried everything. I would RMA because even when Crysis uses the two 4850s CF, the hd6950 should still out-perform them.
If you get back the RMAed card and nothing changed, maybe Crysis and an hd6950 don't work well together.
March 15, 2011 5:03:31 AM

HostileDonut said:
It really sounds like you have tried everything. I would RMA because even when Crysis uses the two 4850s CF, the hd6950 should still out-perform them.
If you get back the RMAed card and nothing changed, maybe Crysis and an hd6950 don't work well together.

Hello,

I have the same problem with HD6950. I get low frame rates in every game. I don't know what to do. I have tried everything but without any result.

Did you manage to resolve your problem?


April 18, 2011 2:50:50 PM

I will enlighten you for your problem with the HD6950 2gb. You have 2 problems from what i saw .... first the processor bottlenecks your system. Ill explain why. When you wanna make a gamming pc u should analyze all the aspects. The phenom II x4 you have is one of the best from AMD for gamming even better then the x6 ones ....BUT...there is a bit but...is not that good for gamming compared to Intel. Im not a fan , im not making advertising its reallity. If you know the latest graphic cards the dual GPU ones GTX590 and HD6990 both with 4gb of ram where tested on default quad cores processor at 3.3 Ghz and also at OC frequencies at 5Ghz. Why ? cause the power of the graphic cards is to great for even a quad core at 3.3 ghz .... so it doesnt matter u changed your crossfire config to a more better card....the limit of your PC is set atm by your processor.
The 2nd problem that i see is the temp of your HD6950 ...if you check all over the internet (yourself) you will find out that official specifications says that the graphic card stays in idle around 37-38c and in full load in crysis 75c and in furmark (hope u know what it is) at 85c. All the info for the 2nd problem you can find it on net and u can check my facts and u will see.
Crysis played in Dx10 with Very High settings + maxx AA is a VERY VERY demanding game ..even if was released in 2007.
My gamming pc specs are: Intel Core I5-2500k 3.3Ghz , Corsair Vengence 8G - 1600Mhz , Sapphire Radeon HD6950 2Gb , Corsair Gamming Series 700w , Asus P8P67 Evo motherboard , Raidmax Quantum Black with 6 fan's chase (using only 2 fans now ...will enable all in the summer)
PS:i get in crysis in 1600x900 (20inch lcd) in dx10 all settings to very high (not high keep in mind) with 8xAA (max) between 30 and 80 fps depending on map. Examples when you start game on the night-map i doesn't drop under 48fps... when its very wide open area and u can see all the surroundins and vegetations and mountains its 31fps and inside buildings , inside the aliens space ship (core level) i have max 80fps
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April 18, 2011 3:38:10 PM

Have you used GPUZ or MSI Afterburner to monitor the card usage and clocks?
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April 18, 2011 3:47:05 PM

Their are new drivers out for the 6xxx series.(CCC 11.3).Maybe that might help you.

I wasn't having any problem maxing out Crysis 2 with my 6870 but i've heard Crysis 2 likes fast processors.Tho my 6870 isn't as powerful as the 6950 my Phenom ii x4 965@3.9ghz made up the difference and I think thats why i get such good fps.

What speed is your CPU at?
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April 18, 2011 4:07:41 PM

Oh one thing you could also try is to run the game with "-dx9" tag. You can do that if you have the shortcut on your desktop, just go to properties and where it defines the file path, add the -dx9 at the end (like C:\games\crysis\crysis.exe -dx9). If you have the steam version you can add it in the properties window through your Steam library.

I had issues with Crysis freezing and crashing on me at one part due to a mem leak. Adding the DX9 tag fixed it.
April 18, 2011 4:48:29 PM

I bet the GPU isn't being taxed much. I'd try to monitor with GPU-Z or another application that would allow you to record load if you only have 1 monitor.

I used to have an issue with my GPU clocks running at "video" speeds if I had another application open while trying to play a game.
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April 18, 2011 10:17:23 PM

waterpuff said:
I will enlighten you for your problem with the HD6950 2gb. You have 2 problems from what i saw .... first the processor bottlenecks your system. Ill explain why. When you wanna make a gamming pc u should analyze all the aspects. The phenom II x4 you have is one of the best from AMD for gamming even better then the x6 ones ....BUT...there is a bit but...is not that good for gamming compared to Intel. Im not a fan , im not making advertising its reallity. If you know the latest graphic cards the dual GPU ones GTX590 and HD6990 both with 4gb of ram where tested on default quad cores processor at 3.3 Ghz and also at OC frequencies at 5Ghz. Why ? cause the power of the graphic cards is to great for even a quad core at 3.3 ghz .... so it doesnt matter u changed your crossfire config to a more better card....the limit of your PC is set atm by your processor.
The 2nd problem that i see is the temp of your HD6950 ...if you check all over the internet (yourself) you will find out that official specifications says that the graphic card stays in idle around 37-38c and in full load in crysis 75c and in furmark (hope u know what it is) at 85c. All the info for the 2nd problem you can find it on net and u can check my facts and u will see.
Crysis played in Dx10 with Very High settings + maxx AA is a VERY VERY demanding game ..even if was released in 2007.
My gamming pc specs are: Intel Core I5-2500k 3.3Ghz , Corsair Vengence 8G - 1600Mhz , Sapphire Radeon HD6950 2Gb , Corsair Gamming Series 700w , Asus P8P67 Evo motherboard , Raidmax Quantum Black with 6 fan's chase (using only 2 fans now ...will enable all in the summer)
PS:i get in crysis in 1600x900 (20inch lcd) in dx10 all settings to very high (not high keep in mind) with 8xAA (max) between 30 and 80 fps depending on map. Examples when you start game on the night-map i doesn't drop under 48fps... when its very wide open area and u can see all the surroundins and vegetations and mountains its 31fps and inside buildings , inside the aliens space ship (core level) i have max 80fps

A Phenom II X4 955 is still a fast CPU for gaming, and shouldn't be giving him any bottleneck, at least not to that extent eve on a CPU demanding game. I would just RMA.
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April 19, 2011 12:38:21 AM

dmcclelland1 said:
I recently upgraded from a crossfire 4850 512mb setup into a single 6950 2gb, and I lost performance in Crysis. The CF 4850's averaged 45 FPS with the low around 30 and the 6950 is about 38-40 fps with lows 20-25. Is there anything other than crappy drivers that could cause this? I have the 11.2 installed and have heard of issues with 11.2 and crossfire, but this seems a bit ridiculous. Anyone have ideas?

Also, in WoW which scales horribly with CF I would get 65-75 fps and with the 6950 I am only at 78 fps. if anything, I should see a massive difference in WoW since it doesn't really utilize CF that well and a 6950 2gb is much much more powerful than a 512mb 4850.

My setup:

Phenom II X4 955 BE with hyper 212
MSI 790FX-GD70 Mobo
HSI HD6950 2gb
Corsair 750W Power Supply
Intel X-25M 80gig SSD
Samsung Spinpoint F3 500gb
Antec 300 Case


Also, the Card is idling at 50 degrees right after it is turned on... This seems high? I will clean up the wires in my case later tonight to see if it makes a difference.

Any help is appreciated.


This is not surprising at all.

First off, about WoW. When you run the 6950, you are running in Dx11, with new visual improvements. When you run the 4850 x2, you are running in Dx9, this allows their FPS to be pretty similar, but the 6950 is going to look better. Also, the 4850/70 cf and the 5850/70 cf, were the two best scaling crossfire setups before the latest expansion.

You also have to realize going from two 4850's to a single 6950 is not going to be an improvement in FPS in any case crossfire scales well. A 6950 is just a small improvement over a 5870, which was not as fast as two 4850's at release (I don't see them compared anymore).

The good news is your new card has Dx11, is going to be quieter and cooler.
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April 19, 2011 12:49:40 AM

bystander said:
This is not surprising at all.

First off, about WoW. When you run the 6950, you are running in Dx11, with new visual improvements. When you run the 4850 x2, you are running in Dx9, this allows their FPS to be pretty similar, but the 6950 is going to look better. Also, the 4850/70 cf and the 5850/70 cf, were the two best scaling crossfire setups before the latest expansion.

You also have to realize going from two 4850's to a single 6950 is not going to be an improvement in FPS in any case crossfire scales well. A 6950 is just a small improvement over a 5870, which was not as fast as two 4850's at release (I don't see them compared anymore).

The good news is your new card has Dx11, is going to be quieter and cooler.

Dual hd4850s are not as fast as a hd5870. Two hd4870s are.
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April 19, 2011 1:29:05 AM

HostileDonut said:
Dual hd4850s are not as fast as a hd5870. Two hd4870s are.


I'm just going by at release. I haven't seen any benchmarks since.
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April 19, 2011 2:16:56 AM

is the card running at x16 2.0 speeds? how much RAM do you have?
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April 19, 2011 2:44:00 AM

Derbixrace said:
is the card running at x16 2.0 speeds? how much RAM do you have?

A hd6970 basically only needs a PCI-E x2 slot to get like 95% bandwidth. Here, watch this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rSfifE2Domo
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April 19, 2011 2:52:55 AM

i had some FPS problems in BC2 and that was because my 5850 ran in x4 mode, turned out it wasnt seated properly.
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April 19, 2011 2:57:14 AM

Derbixrace said:
i had some FPS problems in BC2 and that was because my 5850 ran in x4 mode, turned out it wasnt seated properly.

Ooooo, yeah seating can be an issue if you do it wrong.
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April 19, 2011 3:43:06 AM

if you have tried all that try enable vsync and tripplebuffering, helped a lot for my system. wont give you more fps than your monitor refresh rate but should help even out the fps with less fps drops.
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