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May 8, 2011 9:49:52 PM

Building a new PC....Round 2....FIGHT!

I am absolutely disgusted with my Eyefinity set up not working. I'm contemplating just building a new PC and selling my current PC to my dad as his is junk.

This is what I have currently:

Antec Twelve Hundred Black Steel ATX Full Tower Computer Case

Antec 761345-75024-0 120mm Blue LED Case Fan

Antec 761345-75024-0 120mm Blue LED Case Fan

Antec CP-850 850W Continuous Power ATX12V V2.3 / EPS12V V2.91 SLI Certified CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS Certified Modular Active PFC Power Supply

ASUS P6T Deluxe V2 LGA 1366 Intel X58 ATX Intel Motherboard

Intel Core i7 920 Nehalem 2.66GHz 4 x 256KB L2 Cache 8MB L3 Cache LGA 1366 130W Quad-Core Processor

Thermalright Ultra-120 Extreme 1366 RT CPU Cooler

ARCTIC COOLING MX-2 Thermal Compound

ASUS EAH5870/G/2DIS/1GD5/A Radeon HD 5870 (Cypress XT) 1GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFire Supported Video Card w/ATI Eyefinity

mushkin 6GB (3 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Triple Channel Kit Desktop Memory

Western Digital Caviar Black WD1001FALS 1TB 7200 RPM 32MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive

Western Digital Caviar Black WD1001FALS 1TB 7200 RPM 32MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive

Microsoft Windows 7 Ultimate 64-bit - OEM

LG 8X BD-R 2X BD-RE 16X DVD+R 5X DVD-RAM 6X BD-ROM 2MB Cache Blu-ray Burner Model BH08LS20 - Retail

Logitech G19 Black 104 Normal Keys USB Wired Standard Gaming Keyboard

steelseries QcK Mass Mouse Pad

RAZER DeathAdder Precision Optical Gaming Mouse - 3.5G Infrared Sensor

Western Digital My Book Essential WDH1U10000N 1TB USB 2.0 External Hard Drive

Western Digital My Book Essential WDH1U10000N 1TB USB 2.0 External Hard Drive

LG W2753V-PF Black 27" 2ms(GTG) HDMI Full HD 1080P Widescreen LCD Monitor 400 cd/m2 50000:1 w/ Smart Package

LG W2753V-PF Black 27" 2ms(GTG) HDMI Full HD 1080P Widescreen LCD Monitor 400 cd/m2 50000:1 w/ Smart Package

LG W2753V-PF Black 27" 2ms(GTG) HDMI Full HD 1080P Widescreen LCD Monitor 400 cd/m2 50000:1 w/ Smart Package

Dell BizLink DisplayPort to DVI-D Dual Link Adapter , ACTIVE , Powered by USB Port

Workstation 72" x 72" x 30"Deep

Valerian Plush Fabric Chair, Black


I'll be keeping the keyboard, mouse, desk, chair, external hard drives and more than likely the monitors.

I bought the parts and built this in October 2009. What's an estimate on its current value? Without looking at receipts, I seem to remember spending right around $2,000 for the PC itself. I know for sure that I spent just over $5,000 on the whole setup. PC, monitors, cables, desk, chair, external hard drives, peripherals, etc. etc. etc.

Obviously if I built a new PC, I wouldn't want to downgrade in any way. On a new build I'd like to make a few changes that I know of off hand. I'd like to try out a solid state hard drive(s) and I believe for the GPU(s) I'll be going with something like vNidia 470s in SLI. Also, I'll probably just go back with another Antec 1200 case. I've no problems with this one except for the optional side panel case fan rattling like fricking crazy. Had to do some grinding on it to make it fit the case and it vibrates just right and makes a terrible rattle. Unless ya'll know of a new and improved, way better case. :) 

Based on this little information, can ya'll spec. me out a new gaming rig for about $2,000?

Thanks for listenin'!

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May 8, 2011 10:01:41 PM

To be honest, that's a beast system, not worth upgrading right now. You wouldn't really get much more performance.
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May 9, 2011 1:22:05 AM

Could you explain how the Eyefinity failed to work? 470's in SLI would be a downgrade from 5870's in crossfire.

With those three monitors, you're really gonna want graphics cards with the most memory you can find. Start with 6950 2GB's and work from there.

You'll probably want a P67 motherboard with the NF200 chip, btw, for 3 fast graphics card slots.
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May 9, 2011 2:32:01 AM

striker410 said:
To be honest, that's a beast system, not worth upgrading right now. You wouldn't really get much more performance.



Yeah, it's not outdated as far as performance. I kinda' figured I wouldn't get a huge leap, but a leap nontheless....




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Coolermaster 932/942 are way better imo...then again i'd rather have a CM Storm Scout than an Antec 1200...it's a good case but there are just so many perks to the newer cases...watch videos on Newegg!...470's SLI is definitely an affordable approach, the price to performance is exceptional...although you can get more performance out of a 2500k/2600k than the 920...as striker said, it won't be by much, multi-monitor setups have improved with the 6000 series, for myself i prefer one big HDTV as my monitor (LG PZ950)...but if you go this route anything LG 1080p is top notch...i used to use LG 42LD550 for $750 and it was LED backlit. If I were you though, I would wait for LGA 2011 because it would hurt to invest in a new system and then in 6 months or so wishing you had held out a little longer.

http://www.totalpowerpc.com/index.html




Wow, I really like the Coolermaster 942. Lot more connectivity on the top front of the case and less lights. lol My Antec 1200 is very blue. My LG monitors have red LEDs, so the Coolermaster would match better. My keyboard is backlit and can be literally any color in the color spectrum, so that's easy. Just too bad my mouse lights up blue! However, I've read online that it's pretty easy to take the mouse apart and solder in different color LEDs. Hehe


Yeah, LG seems to be great quality. I found a good deal on the three 27" LGs I have now and they've been great quality. I had plans of getting a 55" LG plasma as an HDTV but plans changed. I still may if I'm able to get an HDTV in the near future. Anyhow, different story altogether. Haha It had crossed my mind to just get a single, huge monitor/TV of some sort, but I really love the shock factor of having three screens. Plus, the two side screens display extra stuff that isn't shown on just a single screen.



Even if I for sure am going to sell to my dad and I'm gonna' build new, it'd still be a little while. Waiting a little while won't be a problem.



dalauder said:
Could you explain how the Eyefinity failed to work? 470's in SLI would be a downgrade from 5870's in crossfire.

With those three monitors, you're really gonna want graphics cards with the most memory you can find. Start with 6950 2GB's and work from there.

You'll probably want a P67 motherboard with the NF200 chip, btw, for 3 fast graphics card slots.




Well, I got the 5870 (I have, and have had, just one, by the way) the day it came out. I had an occasional problem with the DisplayPort monitor shutting off. Typically, I could restart my PC and it would come back and be ok. That happened maybe every few hours or so. I never messed with the drivers or anything like that. New technology, etc., I accept an occasional bug, no big deal. Well, I had my three monitor Eyefinity group but was planning on adding a fourth monitor, an HDTV (the 55" LG plasma I mentioned above), as a single, separate monitor to my Eyefinity group. Referred to, I believe, as "3 + 1". Well, I got a brand spanking new HD 5770 for free from a friend and I threw that in my PC to be the card to run my fourth monitor (HDTV). Well, that screwed everything up so fricking bad it ain't even funny. Took me hours to get my Eyefinity group back up and running and my fourth monitor never did work out right so I took the card back out. Just out some time and no money. Well, that sucks, but OK. I figure there was some sort of clash of drivers or somethin'. Well, my DisplayPort monitor has never been the same since and that was back in early January of this year. My third, DisplayPort, monitor just shuts off maybe a minute after coming out of a boot, reboot, or a sleep. I've tried updating drivers, removing drivers, downgrading drivers, switching monitors, switching cables, etc. etc. etc. I'm just sick of it. That's why I was thinking SLI 470s. Triple monitors with no active DisplayPort adapter BS. Good old DVI and HDMI.


How does the P67 motherboard with the NF200 chipset compare to what I have now, the P6T V2 Deluxe with X58 chipset? What kinda' processor is recommended for that motherboard and my particular setup?

***edit: Whoops, just saw that the i7 2500k, 2600k processor was recommended. I see that they are also quad-cores with a little more umph. :-) For pretty much an identical price to the i7 920 when I got it....


Also, any ideas on value of my current PC?



Thanks so far, everyone!!! Ya'll're the best!!
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May 9, 2011 2:58:31 AM

P67 w/ NF200 will result in roughly 2% framerate gains (w/ AA) over an X58 system: http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/p67-gaming-3-way-sl...

They use 6950 2GB because of this review: http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/crossfire-sli-3-way...

Really, I think you should wait until LGA 2011 (or if Bulldozer is amazing, that) to upgrade. You just really won't see much of an improvement gaming.

What you may want to consider though is upgrading just your graphics. I have a GTX 470 I'd sell for $190, but you could probably find better deals. Personally though, I'd recommend the 2GB frame buffer of the 6950 2GB though since you're going multi-monitor. And if you add a second one, it'll make sure the Eyefinity doesn't screw you over.
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May 9, 2011 3:15:08 AM

Ah, I see. Yeah, the 6950 does kinda' kick @$$. Haha

Also, what is Bulldozer? Sorry! But after all, I am a newb.!




Just a little playin' around.... :D 


COOLER MASTER HAF X RC-942-KKN1 Black Steel/ Plastic ATX Full Tower Computer Case
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... $189.99

COOLER MASTER Silent Pro RS850-AMBAJ3-US 850W ATX12V v2.3 / EPS12V v2.92 SLI Ready 80 PLUS BRONZE Certified Modular Active PFC Power Supply
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... $149.99

ASUS P8P67-M PRO (REV 3.0) LGA 1155 Intel P67 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 Micro ATX Intel Motherboard
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... $139.99

Intel Core i7-2600K Sandy Bridge 3.4GHz (3.8GHz Turbo Boost) 4 x 256KB L2 Cache 8MB L3 Cache LGA 1155 95W Quad-Core Desktop Processor BX80623I72600K
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... $314.99

CORSAIR DOMINATOR 8GB (4 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1333 (PC3 10666) Desktop Memory Model CMD8GX3M4A1333C7
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... $149.99

ASUS EAH6950 DCII/2DI4S/2GD5 Radeon HD 6950 2GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.1 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFireX Support Video Card
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... $304.99

ASUS EAH6950 DCII/2DI4S/2GD5 Radeon HD 6950 2GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.1 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFireX Support Video Card
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... $304.99

Corsair Performance 3 Series CSSD-P3128GB2-BRKT 2.5" 128GB SATA III MLC Internal Solid State Drive (SSD)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... $269.99

Western Digital Caviar Black WD1002FAEX 1TB 7200 RPM 64MB Cache SATA 6.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... $74.99

Western Digital Caviar Black WD1002FAEX 1TB 7200 RPM 64MB Cache SATA 6.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... $74.99

LG Black 12X BD-R 2X BD-RE 16X DVD+R 12X DVD-RAM 10X BD-ROM 4MB Cache SATA Super Multi WH12LS30 LightScribe Support - OEM
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... $99.99

Microsoft Windows 7 Ultimate SP1 64-bit 1-Pack - OEM
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... $179.99



Total:

$2,254.88



This certainly ain't set in stone, but this is what I have pictured at the moment...

By the way, I didn't mention before that my two 1TB internal HDDs were in RAID 0. That's what I'd do with a couple more in the new PC as mass storage and I'd use the SSD to house my operating system and games. I've got a pretty good music collection. Also, speaking of OS, I have Windows 7 Ultimate on my current PC as well.
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May 9, 2011 4:16:08 AM

Bulldozer is AMD's next CPU set to arrive in June. LGA 2011 is Intel's LGA 1366 replacement.

Windows 7 Professional is all you need. I picked it over Ultimate even though it was only a $10 price difference for me: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_7_editions

Samsung Spinpoint F3 1TB drives keep pace with Caviar Blacks and cost less: http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/storage/2009/10/06/sam...

SSD: These OCZ's are a good deal faster: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=20-227-...
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Radeon HD 6950 2GB: The other ones don't have Quad Display Port, but can be had for $245. But if you have 2 cards, does Quad Display Port really matter? Then again, if the money doesn't matter to you, you may as well get the best. Then again, if money doesn't matter you may as well get two 3GB GTX 580's for $1040 total: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168....

RAM: Get 2x4GB NOT 4x2GB. It runs faster and is upgradeable. 1600CL9 for $95 or less will get the job done admirably, but this Mushkin 1600CL7 might be more fun: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

CPU: i7-2600K. It's overkill and it's awesome! That's what I'd buy.

Mobo: That motherboard is Micro ATX (note the M in the name). You're getting a big case, go for a full ATX board. Also, you'll want the NF200 chip if you want 16x/16x gaming--not that it'll matter with 6950 2GB cards (see my link above). Keep in mind that upgrading graphics on your existing rig will get pretty much the same framerates as a Sandy Bridge upgrade and that you should wait for LGA 2011 (which replaces LGA 1366/X58).

PSU: Without an amazing review, I don't go outside of Antec, Corsair, Seasonic, or XFX for a high end build. Cooler Master is not a top tier brand (Tier 3): http://www.eggxpert.com/forums/thread/323050.aspx

Case: Nice, big, expensive. I'd upgrade something else before spending more than $120 on a case. An Azza Solano 1000R for $80 was plenty for me and will fit 12" graphics cards.
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May 9, 2011 4:48:57 AM

CPU: $315 i7-2600k http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

CPU Cooler: $60 Tuniq Tower 120 Extreme http://www.xoxide.com/tuniq-t120-extremeled-cpucooler.h...
See cooler rankings:http://www.frostytech.com/articleview.cfm?articleid=252...

Mobo: $256 ASUS P8P67 WS REVOLUTION http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

PSU: $130 PC Power & Cooling Mk II http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
I don't usually list this brand as top of the line because it's usually too expensive, but it's good. It's GTX 580 SLI certified.

Case: $105 Azza Solano 1000 (for blue/black color scheme) http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

RAM: $95 CORSAIR Vengeance 8GB (2 x 4GB) http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

HDD: $122 2x Samsung Spinpoint F3 1TB http://www.amazon.com/Samsung-Spinpoint-Cache-Desktop-H...

SSD: $280 OCZ Vertex 3 Max IOps 120GB http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Optical: $80 LG Blu-ray Burner http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

OS: $130 Windows 7 Pro http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

SUBTOTAL: $1573

Then add $550 for 2x 6950 2GB or $1080 for 2x GTX 580 3GB.

It's a blue and black color scheme dictated by the only NF200 motherboard's colors.

EDIT: My choice is 2x Radeon 6950 2GB + GT 240 ($40 AR) for PhysX. Then you get all the [gaming] capabilities of GeForce cards (minus NVidia 3D Vision) for the value of crossfired 6950's, which beats SLI 570's and does even more if they both can unlock shaders. A good 850 Watt PSU will get the job done just fine.
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May 10, 2011 4:09:25 AM

I'm likin' it! Unfortunately, didn't have time tonight to do any more research on this subject. Got a new soundboard had to tinker with. :na: 

I'm wonderin', how will my three monitors hook up the the two 6950s? I know in Crossfire only one card's outputs can be utilized. I see that there are two DVI ports and four DisplayPort. I assume that I'll still have to use my fricking active DisplayPort to DVI adapter for this setup?

Thanks!
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May 10, 2011 5:31:18 AM

Good input Skullcrusher.

@itsanss--I don't know a lot about Crossfire. I'll look some stuff up but you know much more than I do at this point.
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May 10, 2011 11:59:59 AM

Thanks for clearing that up.

I hate the thought of having to use that active adapter. Oh, well....

The only monitors that have a DisplayPort connection, that I've seen, are smaller than what I already have (27"), and I don't want to downgrade, or they are bigger but cost twice or more as much (i.e. $1,000/monitor).

How much more stable is the 6850 compared to the 5870? Has AMD fixed some (or ALL) of the problems that the first generation Eyefinity cards have?

Thanks again for everything


edit: Also, was wonderin' if there were projected costs for the new Bulldozer processors that ya'll know of. Will current processors go down and the new ones cost the same as what the current ones do now? Will current processors stay the same and the new ones cost a bunch more?

Thanks
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May 11, 2011 4:10:13 AM

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It's still not a perfected science...there are still issues, but from what I read the 6950's offer the best multi-monitor setup, as far as a stability comparison chart for eyefinity? I don't know of one. All i know is that the 6000 series scales better in xfire and gives you higher minimum fps than the 5000 series. So even though 2 6850's is more than enough to play most games on an eyefinity setup with 3 1080p monitors, I would still go with 6950's. The 6950 also has much better tesselation.

http://www.totalpowerpc.com/dominator-extreme.html





Yeah, I see what ya' mean. Nothing's gonna' be perfect, I don't reckon. But it should be a step up from the original to the new and improved.

In my last post, I meant to say 6950 rather than 6850. Typo.! :kaola: 

Even with my 5870, when Eyefinity still worked properly, I never had any problems with games not playing. So I'd certainly imagine that two 2GB cards will do just fine. :D  However, I only ever play Call of Duty and the occasional game of FreeCell. FreeCell, however, ain't all that graphics demanding. Hehehe



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As far as Bulldozer I think that the quad cores will be priced to compete with current day Sandy Bridge...for which Intel will answer by releasing Ivy Bridge...for which AMD will offer it's 8 cores and 16 cores...then comes Intel X79...should prove interesting. Not really sure of prices, but usually where AMD & Intel are evenly matched is where the price wars begin! When one or the other has the clear advantage as Intel has had most recently...well that just allows them to price their chips however they want. So if X79 wins the battle as we kind of all expect, you can expect prices similar to X58 or maybe even slightly higher. Sandy Bridge is just a teaser of what's coming! But for the budget minded I still think that the quad cores are enough and will sell the most. Until they are prepared to answer questions like why do i need 8 or 16 cores for gaming or what can possibly justify spending $1K on a chip, the quad cores shall prevail for mainstream gaming!

http://www.totalpowerpc.com/deathdealer.html





It'll certainly be interesting to see the progression of processors and just PCs in general. They seem to come so far and so very quickly. It's weird to see a PC purchased for $2,000 and then barely be able to give it away for free five years later. lol You know what, if I didn't have to have the latest and greatest all the time, I'd have a lot more money in my pocket. Haha PC, cellular phone, car stereo, HDTV, guns, weed-eater..... What's new? What's shocking? What's the fastest? What's the best? I GOTTA' HAVE IT! :lol: 


Thanks, ya'll
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May 11, 2011 4:27:56 AM

Are you still planning a new system or just uprgrading graphics? Like I said before, you're only gonna see maybe 4% on frame rates. And since we're talking over 60fps anyways for most stuff, you may as well buy the graphics now and wait on the rest. (You'll have a better gaming computer more of the time if you wait for Ivy Bridge and just move these graphics cards to it). And an X58 can handle a GT 240 for PhysX.

Btw, if you only play COD, try Steam and pick up some other games on sale for $7.50. They're nice distractions from time to time.
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March 11, 2012 10:45:19 AM

honestly your pc is still very capable of gaming at high resolution.... if you're upgrading to sandy bridge... it only yield a few percent performance increase.... you won't see the difference with your naked eyes... so for now there only two ways you can go.... either....

1) keep your current setup now and sell your 5870.... then upgrade to amd radeon hd 7900 series or nvidia geforce gtx 600 series..... as it will yield most of your performance increase in games... your current cpu is still far from becoming the bottleneck....

or....

2) get rid of your current setup and start from scratch.... obviously i hope this is the last choice you will ever go... as it will costs you wayyy more money than just upgrading your gpu....


i said it again... your current lga 1366 platform is still very capable and you should keep it.... since you buy it for $2000... it is alot of money you know? the area that you should spend your money now is your graphics card and probably an ssd.... though an ssd won't boost your frame rates.... graphics card comes first and ssd second.... those two upgrades will yield performance increase that you can see with your eyes.... since you do triple monitor gaming.... will be much more demanding on graphics card than single monitor gaming.... think about it....
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