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May 11, 2011 7:13:38 PM

Hi,

I'm in need of new desktop-pc for running multiple VM's (Win 7). Because I'm not familiar with the latest hardware, I though you guys coul help me out.
I only have two guidelines:
- Price: not over 1000$
- Has at least 3TB storage

Thx in advance

More about : running multiple

May 11, 2011 10:37:49 PM

Approximate Purchase Date: soon as possible.

Budget Range: max 1000$

System Usage from Most to Least Important: Running multiple VM's (let's say 50 or more)

Parts Not Required: no keyboard, mouse, monitor, speakers,

Preferred Website(s) for Parts: newegg.com,

Country of Origin: USA, CA

Parts Preferences: none preferred

Overclocking: No

SLI or Crossfire: No

Additional Comments: Needs to have at least 3TB storage
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May 11, 2011 10:42:07 PM

why do u run 50 VM im just curious but seems like u need at least 8GB or DDR3 RAM
May 11, 2011 10:51:17 PM

It's for a project I'm working on... secret :) . But could u give me some advice for the components?
May 11, 2011 11:10:14 PM

A little more information would be awesome! :ange: 

1. How much memory is required per VM?
2. Is your workload CPU intensive or memory intensive or both?
3. How many VM's per core do you dare to run?
4. 24/7 uptime?
5. Is ECC memory is required?
6. Rack-mount or desktop environment?
7. Will you be running a Linux or a Windows OS?

Lets say for example you want to run 50 copies of DamnSmallLinux inside VirtualBox under Windows Server 2008, that would have slightly sifferent requirements than say...well, idk...50 instances of Vista Home Premium inside VMWare under Fedora 15 Beta. :pt1cable:  *shudders* :pt1cable: 
May 11, 2011 11:22:28 PM

yea sure um i suggest


GIGABYTE GA-H67M-D2-B3 LGA 1155 Intel H67 SATA 6Gb/s Micro ATX Intel Motherboard
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
89.99

Intel Core i7-2600 Sandy Bridge 3.4GHz (3.8GHz Turbo Boost) 4 x 256KB L2 Cache 8MB L3 Cache LGA 1155 95W Quad-Core Desktop Processor BX80623I72600
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
299.99

G.SKILL Ripjaws X Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1333 (PC3 10666) Desktop Memory Model F3-10666CL9D-8GBXL
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
84.99

Seagate Barracuda XT ST33000651AS 3TB 7200 RPM 64MB Cache SATA 6.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
199.99

CORSAIR Builder Series CX430 CMPSU-430CX 430W ATX12V Active PFC Power Supply
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
44.99

Antec Three Hundred Black Steel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
59.95

ASUS Black 24X DVD+R 8X DVD+RW 12X DVD+R DL 24X DVD-R 6X DVD-RW 12X DVD-RAM 16X DVD-ROM 48X CD-R 32X CD-RW 48X CD-ROM 2MB Cache SATA 24X DVD Burner
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
19.99

799.89
May 12, 2011 7:21:30 AM

I still have 200 left. Should I spent more on the motherboard or the proceesor?

@ NapoleonDK

1. How much memory is required per VM? Win7 x64 runs ons 1GB...I don't know, but will 8GB suffice?
2. Is your workload CPU intensive or memory intensive or both? It's more cpu intensive
3. How many VM's per core do you dare to run? 4 cores and 8 threads
4. 24/7 uptime? no
5. Is ECC memory is required? no
6. Rack-mount or desktop environment? Desktop
7. Will you be running a Linux or a Windows OS? not req but Win7
May 12, 2011 10:52:35 AM

I think the point that NapoleonDK was getting at with his first question was that in Windows w/ Hyper-V, each virtual machine requires it's own dedicated RAM space. So in order to run 50 Windows 7 virtual machines simultaneously, you'd need at least 50 Gig of RAM (1 Gig per machine).

-Wolf sends
May 12, 2011 12:23:18 PM

Wolfshadw said:
I think the point that NapoleonDK was getting at with his first question was that in Windows w/ Hyper-V, each virtual machine requires it's own dedicated RAM space. So in order to run 50 Windows 7 virtual machines simultaneously, you'd need at least 50 Gig of RAM (1 Gig per machine).



Exactly! You will also quickly realize your disk solution will not keep up. Maybe a few machine per spindle before things get really latent with all VMs active. With that build having the memory maxed out at 16GB, and a few hard drives to balance the disk load, you would be lucky to run 10 VMs at the same time. Disk and memory are the keys here...

Also, keep in mind that VMs like physical cores more than hyperthreads. An overclocked AMD X6 is not a bad build for hosting.
May 12, 2011 2:18:47 PM

Just for {bleeps} and giggles, I threw together this system which might get you close:

Case: XClio Windtunnel Full Tower - Accepts E-ATX Motherboards
Power Supply: PC Power and Cooling 950 watt PSU - 12 SATA Power ports
Motherboard: ASUS KGPR-D16 - Dual Socket G34 plus up to 64 Gig Unregistered/Non-ECC RAM Supported
CPU 2x: AMD Opteron 6128 - 8 Cores 2.0 GHz
Heatsink/Fan 2x: ThermalTake HSF - Supports G34 socket
RAM 8x: G.Skill DDR3-1333 8GB (2x4GB) RAM - Need to verify compatibility
Hard Drive 10x: Western Digital Caviar 250GB
Hard Drive Storage: Western Digital Caviar 3TB
SATA Controller: HighPoint RocketRaid SATA Controller card - Up to 12 SATA 3.0 drives supported
Optical Drive: ASUS 18x DVD-ROM drive

Total Cost w/ Shipping: $2903.08

So, if you're really serious, I think a slight increase in budget might be in order.

-Wolf sends
May 12, 2011 4:50:51 PM

@Wolf and Sadams, you hit it precisely. And Wolf, that is almost exactly the build I was considering. I'm not sure I could do better at creating a server environment with consumer-level components! 64GB of quad DDR3-1333 and future support for 12-core magny-cours... Love it.

I'm not sure how else to direct Mich, a lot still depends on the software he wants to use. Host OS? VM Software? VM OS? Will the VM's be running CPU-intensive autonomous software, or are people remoting in to do work?

(Also, I run CFD simulations at work, so I have a lot of CPU at my disposal. Distributing computing FTW!)
May 12, 2011 5:09:57 PM

Also important question is do you need support for VT-d? This can change a lot in a build. With 8 VM that you talked about you are really looking at the Intel® Core™ I7-2600. If you stay with the non-server option use the Intel Core I7-2600 processor and if you need VT-d support you need to change the board to one with Q67 chipset, like the Intel DQ67SW or the Gigabyte GA-Q67-D2H-B3.

Christian Wood
Intel Enthusiast Team
June 5, 2012 12:09:57 AM

I have Intel Core i7-2600 Processor 3.4GHz 8 MB Cache Socket LGA1155 and Corsair Vengeance Blue 16 GB DDR3 SDRAM Dual Channel Memory Kit CMZ16GX3M4A1600C9B what will be the right MB I can use so that I can put Microsoft Hyper-V on my desktop to play around?
June 5, 2012 1:06:16 PM

Unless I'm mistaken, Microsoft Hyper-V is a part of Server 2008. The hard part is going to be either finding a consumer level motherboard that has Server 2008 Driver support or finding an enterprise level motherboard that accepts a Core I7 2600 processor and DDR3-1600 RAM.

-Wolf sends
August 16, 2012 8:44:35 PM

Wolfshadw said:
Unless I'm mistaken, Microsoft Hyper-V is a part of Server 2008. The hard part is going to be either finding a consumer level motherboard that has Server 2008 Driver support or finding an enterprise level motherboard that accepts a Core I7 2600 processor and DDR3-1600 RAM.

-Wolf sends


Wolf: Hyper-V is also available in a stripped down version on MS Technet. It would be more ideal for virtual machines than windows 2008. However have you considered Vmware ESX4.1i? It is a FREE download and is useful by the home enthusiast for FREE-they give you a license key when you DL vSphere/ESX, get it here (https://my.vmware.com/web/vmware/evalcenter?p=free-esxi). VMware has a much LOWER overhead than either Windows 2008 or Hyper-V. There is no 1gb/virtual machine requirement as with windows. It also supports more platforms than Hyper-V.
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