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I'd love to get your help in this LGA2011 RIG Upgrade,Please. W/GTX580

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April 25, 2012 12:35:30 PM

Hi guys,

:love:  It's time to upgrade my PC, i bought a GTX580 a year ago and PSU (TT Blue EVO 750W ( http://bit.ly/IRAxic ) ).

And the rest are as follows:

CPU: Core 2 Quad Q6600
RAM: 8 G.B DDR2
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-P35-DS4 :pfff: 

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And until now, these are my choices that i made:
*i wish you could help me rating them and choosing from the choices. :)  *


CPU: 1- Intel Core i7-3930K 3.2 ( http://amzn.to/IRwX7F ) ($599)

CPU cooler: 1- Corsair Hydro Series H100 Extreme Performance Liquid ( http://amzn.to/IRxK8v ) ($100)


Motherboard: Choices:
1- GIGABYTE G1.Assassin2 E-ATX ( http://amzn.to/IRvXQU ) ($349)

2- ASUS RAMPAGE IV EXTREME ( http://amzn.to/IRwd2f ) ($430)

3- ASRock Intel X79 ATX DDR3 1600 LGA 2011 EXTREME4 ( http://amzn.to/IRw9iY ) ($349)

RAM: Choices:
1- G.SKILL 16GB (4 x 4GB) Ripjaws Z Series DDR3 2133 (PC3 17000) ( http://amzn.to/IRwwtY ) ($145)

2- G.SKILL Ripjaws X Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3 SDRAM 1600 (PC3 12800) ( http://amzn.to/IRxmab ) ($143)

3- Corsair Vengeance Performance, 16GB (4x4GB) DDR3 2133MHz (PC3 10600) ( http://amzn.to/IRxtTc ) ($187)

4- Corsair Vengeance 16 GB (2x8GB) DDR3 1600MHz ( http://amzn.to/IRxBly ) ($120)

5- Corsair 16GB XMS3 (2x 8GB) DDR3 SDRAM 1600MHz 240-Pin 16 Dual Channel ( http://amzn.to/IRxHcM ) ($120)

*i'm not sure which is better? a 4x4GB 2133 RAM (takes all the slots -no upgrade in future-). Or a 2x8GB 1600 RAM (ability to future upgrade to 32GB) Is the 2133 performance worth it?


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I connect the P.C. to a 55' LED FullHD samsung T.V. and a decent home-theater.

My Main uses are:

1- video-games
2- Blue-ray movies
3- Photoshop
4- The P.C. is almost 24\7 running
and i let my application open XD i hate to close them, except for games.

My Wish-list uses (things i like and i want to do)
1- Adobe premier, adobe after Effects. ( i like video editing and production)


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I read all about that games -until now- doesn't use more than 4 cores of CPU, and i5 or normal LGA 1155 i7 is just as good in gaming,
but i rarely get a chance to upgrade my p.c. and i'm thinking for a 5-years or more out of this upgrade.

I want to make sure, when in a year, two or three if games are upgraded and uses more than 4 cores, i don't need to upgrade my P.C again, or at least only a CPU. not everything like what i'm doing now. because in my opinion, getting EXACTLY what games needs these days, is dangerous. cuz technology is running fast and it might changes any day.

Anyways, Also, i read that those LGA 2011 motherboard gonna support the coming Ivy-Bridges CPUs. :)  and of course i like video editing and i have a 1080p cam :D  so i might get serious into it.



So, am i on the right track? and which edits would you prefer? and what choices?

Thanks for your help in advance!
April 25, 2012 2:29:50 PM

I'm sorry, id like to add this option for RAM:

16GB G.Skill DDR3 PC3-17000 RipjawsZ Series for Intel X79 (9-11-10-28) Quad Channel kit 4x4GB

http://amzn.to/IRLCQk


It seems like a good option.
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April 25, 2012 2:59:47 PM

From the list:

Motherboard: Choices:
2- ASUS RAMPAGE IV EXTREME

RAM: Choices:
1- G.SKILL 16GB (4 x 4GB) Ripjaws Z Series DDR3 2133 (PC3 17000)

The LGA 2011 on a 1920x1080 is a little overkill, but if you're going to be 'rendering' then sure. On X79 I certainly would stick with ASUS MOBO's.

As far as the IB-E that's a little more murky and I've heard a shift from the LGA 2011 platform is possible. At best the IB-E will be delayed until Q1~Q2 2013 (aka a year); nice article - http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/cpu/display/20120315231232...

Trust me I don't like it, I have an X79 and i7-3930K.
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April 25, 2012 3:15:15 PM

jaquith said:
From the list:

Motherboard: Choices:
2- ASUS RAMPAGE IV EXTREME

RAM: Choices:
1- G.SKILL 16GB (4 x 4GB) Ripjaws Z Series DDR3 2133 (PC3 17000)

The LGA 2011 on a 1920x1080 is a little overkill, but if you're going to be 'rendering' then sure. On X79 I certainly would stick with ASUS MOBO's.

As far as the IB-E that's a little more murky and I've heard a shift from the LGA 2011 platform is possible. At best the IB-E will be delayed until Q1~Q2 2013 (aka a year); nice article - http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/cpu/display/20120315231232...

Trust me I don't like it, I have an X79 and i7-3930K.



Thanks a lot!

Would you mind telling me why you don't like your X79 and i7-3930K ?! Performance issues? or you paid too much?

Here's a review comparison if you want:
http://www.hardwareheaven.com/reviews/1391/pg1/intel-co...


Thanks again! :) 
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April 25, 2012 3:43:39 PM

I didn't say I didn't like it by any stretch, I am not thrilled about the IB-E delay and IF the IB-E is on a different socket like (some) have suggested then no I'm not happy if that's true.

About the only thing that 'upsets' me is the fact that my i7-3930K has 8-cores and Intel disables 2-cores!
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April 25, 2012 5:18:41 PM

Personnally I don't really understand this line of thinking and/or logic. You admit that this tech moves pretty fast, but then you want to build the top of the line, most expensive enthusiast platform out there just to sit in it for 5+ years. The best way to look at pc equipment is to get the absolute minimum with which you can accomplish your tasks right now, and then be flexible to upgrade more frequently. This path is much more effective. I really doubt that you're gonna put that hex core through the paces to really warrant paying the price on a LGA 2011 build. You'll be able to do all the same stuff on say an i7-2600K for a whole lot cheaper and it will cost you in the order of seconds to do something slower, render a video, compress a file, whatever it may be. And actualy clock for clock, SB and IB i7-2600k or 3770K will outperform the 3930K. Only in something that is optimized and highly threaded and where you can use the extra memory bandwidth will you see a difference. Sorry about the rant, just my 2 pennies. Also, with the lga 2011, it is quad channel memory so I don't know why you would even ask your question about whether to go with 4x4gb or ram or 2x8gb. I think the answer is clear on that one.
People that should be getting SB-E are people who make money from what they are doing, and where time is money for getting a product to the customer and have that much more throughput for your workflow. An i7-2600K for example is no slouch and will fly through pretty much everything you throw at it.
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April 25, 2012 6:31:21 PM

^I can't disagree too much. I have the i7-3930K and I test SQL and the 'more' cores I have the faster the job gets done. My sole regret was not getting 8x8GB and instead I have 8x4GB which may seem like a lot but it actually leave little room for a RAM Drive to place the SQL and enough for the SQL to cache during processing.

So for me Intel dropping 2-cores is a big deal. Most of the time the larger SQL are run on test servers, but new coding/databases is often done on a 'PC.'

Most of the 3/4-WAY rigs I build are indeed on the LGA 2011/SB-E where the folks I build them for dropping $5K~$7K+ is nothing or it's their 'whole world.'

Based upon what you posted I'd look at the IB + Z77, you'll save money for other more important components (GPU, SSD, or whatever) and won't notice any differences.
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April 25, 2012 9:57:52 PM

jaquith said:
^I can't disagree too much. I have the i7-3930K and I test SQL and the 'more' cores I have the faster the job gets done. My sole regret was not getting 8x8GB and instead I have 8x4GB which may seem like a lot but it actually leave little room for a RAM Drive to place the SQL and enough for the SQL to cache during processing.

So for me Intel dropping 2-cores is a big deal. Most of the time the larger SQL are run on test servers, but new coding/databases is often done on a 'PC.'

Most of the 3/4-WAY rigs I build are indeed on the LGA 2011/SB-E where the folks I build them for dropping $5K~$7K+ is nothing or it's their 'whole world.'

Based upon what you posted I'd look at the IB + Z77, you'll save money for other more important components (GPU, SSD, or whatever) and won't notice any differences.



Agreed! But the OP isn't using it like you are.

From the OP

My Main uses are:

1- video-games
2- Blue-ray movies
3- Photoshop

You def don't need a hex core for these 3 things.
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April 25, 2012 10:14:23 PM



Lol, well in my book one program hardly justifies the price. I'm not trying to argue with you here. Based on interpreting the OP, it just didn't seem like it warranted a 3930K. According to Toms its only about an average of 15% faster for DOUBLE the price of a 2600K. Unless you're seriously getting paid well by the work your doing with the 3930K, its just not worth if from a price per performance perspective. And that was just the cost of the cpu, don't forget, more ram and more expensive MB and cooling solution since Intel doesn't provide one with the SB-E. But obviously if he has money to burn then go for it. Heck why stop there, get the 3960X, or maybe a couple Xeons when they come out.
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April 25, 2012 10:31:04 PM

rdzona said:
Lol, well in my book one program hardly justifies the price.

Look at WHAT I said way up there in the first place. I hate to argue, reminds me of P55 vs X58 arguments. My daughter's i7-980X turned-out to be a smart move because after all these years it still beats the crap out of the SB in places that matter - 3/4-WAY SLI (gaming) we're swapping-out the old 3-WAY GTX 470's for 3-WAY 4GB GTX 680's and her multimedia (video & 3D art) projects. A real waste is upgrading the: CPU, MOBO, MOBO blocks, and RAM.
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The LGA 2011 on a 1920x1080 is a little overkill, but if you're going to be 'rendering' then sure.

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Based upon what you posted I'd look at the IB + Z77, you'll save money for other more important components (GPU, SSD, or whatever) and won't notice any differences.

I pointed out Pros & Cons to the SB-E. Either is fine. The OP seems to want an SB-E, there nothing wrong with the CPU and IF you're close to a Micro Center then you can pick up an i7-3930K for $499.99 ($500) - http://www.microcenter.com/single_product_results.phtml...
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April 25, 2012 10:51:43 PM

jaquith said:
Look at WHAT I said way up there in the first place. I hate to argue, reminds me of P55 vs X58 arguments. My daughter's i7-980X turned-out to be a smart move because after all these years it still beats the crap out of the SB in places that matter - 3/4-WAY SLI (gaming) we're swapping-out the old 3-WAY GTX 470's for 3-WAY 4GB GTX 680's and her multimedia (video & 3D art) projects. A real waste is upgrading the: CPU, MOBO, MOBO blocks, and RAM.
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The LGA 2011 on a 1920x1080 is a little overkill, but if you're going to be 'rendering' then sure.

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Based upon what you posted I'd look at the IB + Z77, you'll save money for other more important components (GPU, SSD, or whatever) and won't notice any differences.

I pointed out Pros & Cons to the SB-E. Either is fine. The OP seems to want an SB-E, there nothing wrong with the CPU and IF you're close to a Micro Center then you can pick up an i7-3930K for $499.99 ($500) - http://www.microcenter.com/single_product_results.phtml...


K, we're on the same page then. But now I have to really throw out a big WTF on the 3 way 680's. Um that is a little overkill on anything I'm sure you or your daughter is doing.
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April 25, 2012 11:12:23 PM

If you look at the 'Gaming Rig' under Member configuration it's running 5900x1080 (3 monitors w/bezel correction), and some 3D gaming. Trust me what she's got now has issues especially with vRAM bottlenecks on 'some' games and running 3D lowers the frame rates in half.
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May 3, 2012 12:08:42 AM

I totally get it now, finally! Thanks guys!

The problem was, i ALWAYS want to put any game on the highest settings, and i hate when i get low frames.. So i wanted a rig that the minimum frames at any game in any point wont go below 30 or 40 .. i guess you can call it low-framophobia ?! it just pisses me off.

I found a great-great website, that let you compare ANY cpu or gpu bench marks:

This is for i7-2600k Vs i7-3960x !:
http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/443?vs=287


And guess what? you were right, in gaming.. no much difference AT ALL! well, maybe couple frames (10?) but not worth it anyway!

I guess it's best to save some money, and sell the GTX580 to get GTX680 for future SLI maybe!



BTW, i'll Always play 2D and maybe 3D games 1080P on 55" LED T.V. (1920x1080)
Would it be enough for a GTX680 with i7-2600k to get above 40 FPS on almost all the games?



Thanks guys, i even want to write a thread to my fellow low-framophobia guys out there. :p 
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May 3, 2012 12:09:27 AM

and sorry for the late response.. i had a lot of exams past few days.
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May 3, 2012 2:16:11 AM

Of course that the i7-2600k is much better for gaming (in the sense that the 3960X is almost 4 times more expensive). Even the i5-2500k will do, for games it behaves equally to the i7-2600k, I've even seen benchmarks where it's a bit better.

SB-E is for hardcore video editing IMHO. Whether you are paid for it or not that's a personal issue and I don't mind, if someone can buy it for hobby video editing without being paid, that's their business. But if video editing is only in your wish-list, forget about SB-E. When your wish comes true, the top-of-the-line CPU will be better than 3960X, and probably around the same price, so you can go top-of-the-line by then.
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May 13, 2012 12:00:40 AM

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