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May 19, 2011 9:15:08 AM

Hey all, this will be my first time building my own computer. I've mainly been a console player, seeing as my computer is a 7+ year old stock dell. I'm just looking for something that will play Battlefield 3 online without lag and has better graphics than my Xbox 360.

Approximate Purchase Date: In the next couple of weeks

Budget Range: $800 (before rebates)

System Usage from Most to Least Important: Casual gaming (Battlefield 3 and Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim mainly), Internet

Parts Not Required: keyboard, mouse, speakers

Preferred Website(s) for Parts: Newegg.com, Tigerdirect.com, Amazon.com

Country of Origin: USA

Parts Preferences: Quad core processor. I favor Intel over AMD, but I'm not opposed to going AMD. I want this to include windows 7 as well.

Overclocking: not really important, if I can its a bonus.

SLI or Crossfire: not really important, if I can its a bonus.

I'm fine with changing what I already have picked.

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I don't have that many parts picked out, but here's what I do have;

Case - HAF 922 or
HAF 912

Optical Drive - LG Black CD/DVD

Hard drive - Samsung Desktop Class Spinpoint F3 1 TB

RAM - G.SKILL Ripjaws Series 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3

Operating System - Windows 7

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May 19, 2011 9:29:40 AM

Welcome to the forum. What resolution is your monitor or do you need a new one? If you need one, its going to be a tight squeeze. Looks like an i3-2100 based build (need the resolution for a GPU recommendation). Also for the url tags they should work if you just remove the spaces around the brackets i.e. Title
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May 19, 2011 5:14:16 PM

The release of AMD's new Bulldozer architecture is so close! What to do?!
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May 19, 2011 5:18:01 PM

I'd wait and see what bulldozer is like.

The equipment you said you have (the HDD, Case, RAM, Win7) is that included in your $800 budget? if so, what's the remaining budget?
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May 19, 2011 5:49:57 PM

Thanks for the help on the url's. Sorry I guess I forgot to list the resolution 1920 x 1080 (not included in the budget)
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May 19, 2011 5:54:07 PM

All the items I listed come to $290 so, I'd have around $510. Yeah I could wait for the Bulldozer, but lets say I don't just to give me an idea of what I could get now. Again thanks for the responses.
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May 19, 2011 7:05:11 PM

without Bulldozer, I'd say an H61 motherboard and Sandy Bridge 2400 or 2500 are your best bets.

I'd consider the Rosewill Challenger case, currently on sale for $49.99 with free shipping

and a HD6750, GTx 560, GTX 560TI, or 6850 1GB HDD

here's a suggested build:

I5-2400; $189.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

GSkill 4 GB DDR3-1333: $39.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Sapphire HD6870 + Shogun Total War: $189.99 w/ $20 MIR
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...

Rosewill Challenger Case: $49.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

AS Rock H61M/U3S3: $79.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Seagate 7200.12 1 TB HDD $49.99 w/ promo code:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

LiteOn DVD Burner: $19.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

total: 646.93

Win 7 Home Premium OEM: $99.99

$719.92

and Watch tiger direct and comp USA's email specials, they have an email-only deal with an AOC 22" 1920x1080 monitor for $99 about every 2 weeks.
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May 19, 2011 10:12:16 PM

Thanks ScrewySqrl, any more opinions?
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May 19, 2011 10:30:44 PM

Here is a nice little setup that is easy on your wallet and can handle whatever you throw at it ^.^

NZXT M59 Case 49.99
http://www.directron.com/m59001bk.html

Corsair TX Series 850W 114.99
http://www.directron.com/cmpsu850tx.html

AMD Phenom II X4 955 Black Edition 119.99
http://www.directron.com/hdz955fbg [...] cmp=filter

ASUS M4A88TD-V EVO (6 core cpu support) mobo 109.99
http://www.directron.com/m4a88tdvevusb3.html

Patriot Extreme Performance Sector 5 G memory 8gb quad channel 125.99
http://www.directron.com/pgv38g1333elqk.html

Cooler Master SickleFlow 120mm Fans X3 (7.99 each)
http://www.directron.com/r4l2r20agr2.html

Seagate Barracuda 1TB SATA III 58.99
http://www.directron.com/st31000524as.html


Black Samsung SH-S223C 22X SATA Internal DVD-Writer 19.98
http://www.directron.com/dvdshs223c.html

Total is $639.74 including shipping since most shipping cost is free due to promotions from company and also a 1.5% off discount using the code preferred3

Optional video card:
XFX HD-687A-ZNFC Radeon HD6870 1GB 214.98 *very powerful*
http://www.directron.com/hd687aznfc.html?_s_icmp=filter

Other Notes:
The PSU is ment to be overpowering due to allow expandable options of easily supporting Crossfire without the need to change power supplies or anything extra.
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May 19, 2011 10:35:15 PM

Oh keep in mind this was designed in mind for a person that plays daily and wants something that will last at least a good 5-6 years before needing to replace parts with something better due to can't meet max requirments for games.
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May 19, 2011 10:40:18 PM

TitusFFX said:
Oh keep in mind this was designed in mind for a person that plays daily and wants something that will last at least a good 5-6 years before needing to replace parts with something better due to can't meet max requirments for games.



for games, there really is no 'good for 5-6 years' system. the system I posted will be good for 2 years easy, and possib;y 3. But at teh 3 year point, you can swap in an ivy bridge processor (which is supposed to go in the same board as Sandy Bridge...but we heard than about 1155 and 1366, so who knows), and a newer GPU (probly a 8000-series AMD or 700-series NVidia by then), but don't go overboard. the $800 system is the sweet spot for an every 2-3 year build. Swapping out that 2008 Core 2 Duo with a GTS 250 for a sandy bridge now is good. But a core 2 Quad with an NVidia 285 is just as obsolete now.
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May 19, 2011 10:49:44 PM

Ehh one I'm using now cost about 550.00 and still runs Crysis 2 on Hard Core / Crysis 1 on enthusiast and whatever else with no worries ^.^

Sides I ment the base system without video card and possible cpu since it's a 6 core compatiable up to 140 watt, but yeah those cpus alone cost a good 200.00 or so.
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May 19, 2011 11:05:41 PM

For $800, you should go with an i5-2500K system if you're open to overclocking. I'd get the i5-2500K, $130 Gigabyte 8x/8x ATX Z68 board, and a GTX 560Ti for $200, then work from there. That gives you $255 left for Windows and a PSU. The other stuff will have to be cheaper. If you're a student, see if you can get Windows on the cheap or free. You will REALLY want to look for special sales and combos to cut $10 here or there to make this budget work.

CPU: $215 i5-2500K

Mobo: $130 Gigabyte Z68 8x/8x ATX http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Graphics: $200 GTX 560Ti http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

PSU: $40 OCZ SXS 2 600W http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/ite...
Personally, I'd spend $90 and get a 750W so that you could handle SLI down the line.

HDD: $55 Samsung Spinpoint F3 1TB. Wait for a Newegg sale.

RAM: $48 Geil 4GB (2x2GB) Geil 1600CL8 DDR3 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Case: $30 Thermaltake V4 w/ $10 off promo code ends Today http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

DVD: $0 Reuse old one

Windows 7: $100

TOTAL: $818

Not bad IMO.
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May 19, 2011 11:10:00 PM

I competely disagree with TitusFFX's system.

A Phenom II x4 is a bad choice right now--it's just got too lousy of performance.

That RAM was crazy expensive for no benefit to gaming.

I don't trust Seagate Hard Drives after the 7200.11 debacle.

His case is $65 after fans for a mediocre case.

He acts like a video card is optional, which brings his Phenom II build to $840 and he leaves off Windows!

ScrewySql's build is much better, but I think mine handily tops both.
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May 19, 2011 11:20:30 PM

dalauder said:
I competely disagree with TitusFFX's system.

A Phenom II x4 is a bad choice right now--it's just got to lousy of performance.

That RAM was crazy expensive for no benefit to gaming.

I don't trust Seagate Hard Drives after the 7200.11 debacle.

His case is $65 after fans for a mediocre case.

He acts like a video card is optional, which brings his Phenom II build to $840 and he leaves off Windows!

ScrewySql's build is much better, but I think mine handily tops both.



Think it if you would like, I would rather put it to the test of endurance vs showing off ^.^ Haven't had any one return systems for any hardware faults.
Besides I left off windows since some dont' like Win 7 and would rather use Vista. Keep in mind this is for ideas not for critism *keep those to yourself*
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May 19, 2011 11:24:12 PM

Oh one other thing it's not a complete build it's just a list of parts since things can be subtracted and added as needed. Wasn't planning on making a complete model.
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May 19, 2011 11:25:36 PM

Thanks everyone. Dalauder where are you finding a i5 2500k for $215, I can only find them for $225?

If anyone has anymore opinions, I'd be glad to hear them. Thanks.
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May 19, 2011 11:27:57 PM

dalauder said:
For $800, you should go with an i5-2500K system if you're open to overclocking. I'd get the i5-2500K, $130 Gigabyte 8x/8x ATX Z68 board, and a GTX 560Ti for $200, then work from there. That gives you $255 left for Windows and a PSU. The other stuff will have to be cheaper. If you're a student, see if you can get Windows on the cheap or free. You will REALLY want to look for special sales and combos to cut $10 here or there to make this budget work.

CPU: $215 i5-2500K

Mobo: $130 Gigabyte Z68 8x/8x ATX http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Graphics: $200 GTX 560Ti http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

PSU: $40 OCZ SXS 2 600W http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/ite...
Personally, I'd spend $90 and get a 750W so that you could handle SLI down the line.

HDD: $55 Samsung Spinpoint F3 1TB. Wait for a Newegg sale.

RAM: $48 Geil 4GB (2x2GB) Geil 1600CL8 DDR3 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Case: $30 Thermaltake V4 w/ $10 off promo code ends Today http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

DVD: $0 Reuse old one

Windows 7: $100

TOTAL: $818

Not bad IMO.


How does that mother board compare to an Asus P8P67-M Pro B3?
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/ite...:
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May 19, 2011 11:47:29 PM

@OP, my bad it is $225.

@TitusFFX--I wasn't excessively rude. I simply summarized my statement at the start: I completely disagree with your build.

Although I'm not saying your hardware is faulty or would break, I can guarantee that the build I suggested will perform faster. Maybe you're referring to my Seagate comment. You're correct that the 7200.11 series is not the one you recommended and that does make all the difference in the world. That doesn't mean I trust Barracudas though.

"Keep in mind this is for ideas not for critism." I did not mean to hurt your feelings and if I did, I'm sorry. But it is my responsibility if I'm giving someone advice on what computer to build to critique the builds that are suggested. Go ahead and critique my build if you want. And no, I didn't waste time putting unnecessary effort into tact, I suppose.

Leaving off Windows 7--the OP stated Windows 7 was needed in the original post and later clarified that the $800 had to include it. Therefore your build was $940 and significantly worse than my $830 one.

"Showing off"? I'm not sure what you meant by that.

I'm not trying to be mean. What I am trying to do is make sure that if you want to give people advice, you do your research and suggest the best parts for the best price. Your prices were fine--your parts are not. I personally use the TX850 you suggested in my primary rig and I love it. But that's for SLI GTX 470's w/ PhysX card, 5 HDDs, an OC'd i7-930, some USB devices, and a bunch of large fans. A 750W will easily get the job done here--even a 650W if it's a good one. And that RAM was a waste of $60 (since Newegg has $65 8GB kits).

EDIT: That $125 Patriot 8GB kit is for 4x2GB sticks. That typically runs slower than 2x4GB and limits upgradeability (by using all 4 slots right off the bat). Two of the $48 kits I recommended would run faster, but I still only recommend 4GB if this budget is strict. If it's not, the first things that should be improved from my build are the PSU and the case. Also, you might want to include the DVD player in my build and a Hyper 212+ CPU cooler.
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May 20, 2011 12:02:32 AM

Was just using as a price list of some well tested parts that hasn't caused any issues, but sure there is always better, but it depends on how you plan on using them. Such as far as the case was concered it comparied to the NZXT Tempest which I currently use for material build and avaliable options for cooling.

Far as the Show off just means I don't really like to build for straight up top end only, I tend to build with core componets that at least meets just above todays max values for settings and still allow room to grow such as the mobo. The processor also isn't the best they make but is more than enough to handle whatever you need since mainly most games are GPU depended instead of CPU depended like most of the previous games of the Direct X9 line.

Over all I ment as a suggestion list not a full computer setup or I would of dropped down to basic settings. *most of the time people like to go ahead and spend the money where the need is most* such as every time you upgrade a video card you have to always double check to see if you can even support it under SLI since most draw at least 650-750 watts depending on what your using.

Far as the ram goes that is a quad channel kit not dual channel like some ment to use 1 dimm per core of the cpu. This method is used like the Xeon and Opertron server models. >.> the new 12 core uses 18 dimms however and supports 192gb lol
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May 20, 2011 12:18:27 AM

Thanks again all. I'll post an update of what I've picked a little later if you'd care to check.

Feel free to post other ideas and options tho!
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May 20, 2011 12:18:39 AM

dcointin said:
How does that mother board compare to an Asus P8P67-M Pro B3?
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/ite...:
The ASUS is good, but overpriced. It might overclock just a bit higher than the Gigabyte though. I'd still take the Gigabyte for myself though because it's cheaper, full ATX, and Z68. Z68 has the Quicksync & integrated video benefits too. If a full ATX is too big for the case (double check that for the Thermaltake V4), Gigabyte makes a mATX with the same specs for $125, but I think you loose the x4 PCI-e slot on that one.
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May 20, 2011 12:45:13 AM

@TitusFFX: I'm not expecting OP to be using a Xeon or Opteron, but a home user CPU. So Dual channel will do.

Here's gaming performance of some CPUs compared. The i5-2500K would do better than the i5-2400, which tops this chart. Your CPU matters as much as it ever did: http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/best-gaming-cpu-cor...

The reason I'm giving you a hard time is that, and your explanation supports this, it appears you're trying to give a mediocre build as a suggestion. Why give a suggestion at all if you know it's not a very good one? I figure that if I'm gonna give a suggestion, it should be the best I can for the best prices I can find. People come here asking for help because they want compatible parts that do what they need. Quad channel memory kits that cost more than the CPU don't do that.
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May 20, 2011 12:50:54 AM

The ASUS board might be better if you want to overclock your CPU just a tad higher (really 200MHz max difference, probably smaller). Overclocking memory won't really do much useful--so focus on the CPU first. Benchmarks show that so long as you've got 1600CL9 memory (and I recommended 1600CL8), your memory won't bottleneck gaming.

It's kinda tough to gauge exactly what the difference will be, but I'd still say the Gigabyte board to save $20. You don't have to worry about running the memory around stock speeds pushing it more than it will allow. And since you don't adjust the fsb when overclocking Sandy Bridge, it will be easy to run the memory at settings it can hit. At that point, all that will matter is timings--which are just icing on the cake, nothing that matters after you can already do 1600CL9/1333CL7.
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May 20, 2011 12:54:51 AM

TitusFFX said:
http://biz.tigerdirect.com/applications/category/compar...

Both the Asus and Gigabyte are good boards but over all if you really want to clock your memory the Asus is proble your best bet for compatiblity without worrying if you might accidently push it more than your board will allow.


I don't meant to take this thread off the questions of the OP, but I'm putting together a build for very similar purposes and budget, so I thought I'd take advantage of the opportunity :) 

I'd like something compatible with an i5 2500k with the ability to SLI/Crossfire and overclock in the future. I get a bit lost when reading mother board specifications, so any other recommendations for those needs?
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May 20, 2011 1:02:05 AM

dalauder said:
@TitusFFX: I'm not expecting OP to be using a Xeon or Opteron, but a home user CPU. So Dual channel will do.

Here's gaming performance of some CPUs compared. The i5-2500K would do better than the i5-2400, which tops this chart. Your CPU matters as much as it ever did: http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/best-gaming-cpu-cor...

The reason I'm giving you a hard time is that, and your explanation supports this, it appears you're trying to give a mediocre build as a suggestion. Why give a suggestion at all if you know it's not a very good one? I figure that if I'm gonna give a suggestion, it should be the best I can for the best prices I can find. People come here asking for help because they want compatible parts that do what they need. Quad channel memory kits that cost more than the CPU don't do that.


Well when you look in a shopping catalog you dont' always expect to buy what is listed but does kind of help give alternative paths you might of otherwise overlooked in the long run.
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May 20, 2011 1:11:15 AM

dcointin said:
I don't meant to take this thread off the questions of the OP, but I'm putting together a build for very similar purposes and budget, so I thought I'd take advantage of the opportunity :) 

I'd like something compatible with an i5 2500k with the ability to SLI/Crossfire and overclock in the future. I get a bit lost when reading mother board specifications, so any other recommendations for those needs?



Oh sorry yeah the comparison chart is kind of confusing sometimes but yeah there isn't really too much difference other than different memory support features but you have to keep in mind of the processor will allow since your memory will only work as well as the device that is using it in the first place.
If your not planning on worrying with upgrading your memory in the future a little more than sticking with the cheaper one will be fine since memory isn't really too much of an issue as long as you keep a good distance between your work load and you max amount it can handle. (most cases 8GB is more than enough but if you plan on using a virtual computer you might want more)
The average game shares about 1-1.5gb of your physcial ram and tends to be almost double in some cases of your GPU actuall is using. (well speaking when using a 1GB card)
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May 20, 2011 1:18:49 AM

dcointin said:
I don't meant to take this thread off the questions of the OP, but I'm putting together a build for very similar purposes and budget, so I thought I'd take advantage of the opportunity :) 
To help you with a build, I suggest you start a new thread that answers all of these questions: http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/261222-31-build-advic...

As far as the mobos that are compatible with 1155 CPUs (2nd Gen i3/i5/i7), you have 4 chipsets to choose from: H61, H67, P67, & Z68. H61/H67 do not overclock, allow the use of integrated graphics, but do not allow the use of Quicksync (for video work) while using discrete graphics. P67 overclocks, has no integrated graphics, and absolutely cannot use Quicksync. Z68 overclocks, can use integrated graphics, allows the use of Quicksync with discrete graphics (if mobo has Virtu), and cost the same or less than P67.

I highly recommend a Z68 motherboard. Although, you might see some P67 deals if vendors start clearing their stocks. The chipset (example "Z68") will pretty much always appear in the motherboard name.

EDIT: Memory support really isn't much of an issue. They are all DDR3 dual channel. So buy two sticks of either 2GB or 4GB for 4GB or 8GB total. 4GB is all you need today if it's not a workstation computer or you don't do graphical/video editing. But there are some good 8GB deals out there that would cause me to get 8GB DDR3 if I had the budget.
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May 20, 2011 1:37:50 AM

TitusFFX said:
Well when you look in a shopping catalog you dont' always expect to buy what is listed but does kind of help give alternative paths you might of otherwise overlooked in the long run.
I'm confused why you listed SO MANY items that should be overlooked in the long run. Just say, "Wow Sandy Bridge is fast! Hmmm...an 850W PSU was a bit much for crossfiring 6870's like I was suggesting. And Quad channel RAM's not a good idea for a new build." Or you could stay quiet if you'd like to avoid admitting a bad part suggestion, which I'm not asking you to do. A continued dialogue in this forum, so long as it does not grow malicious, is important.

If you can tell me a reason a single one of my parts is a bad choice, I'll go with your better part instead. But you're insisting that intentionally posting a bad build is somehow good for the OP. But all it will do is help confuse him and waste his time.

It's okay to post a bad build because you don't know that it's bad. But you make it sound like you already knew those parts were bad. So please explain what I'm missing.

You can suggest an AMD build. But it better at least match a similarly priced Intel build if you don't want criticism.

And once again, the reason ScrewySql's build isn't catching any flak from me is because his build wasn't bad--although I'd have to double check to see if it's optimized (price/performance).

EDIT: I double check the Squirrel's build and, aside from a case that costs $20 more than mine, it's good. And cases are personal preference anyways. And it's even more cheaper than mine than my build lets on because he doesn't include rebates.
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May 20, 2011 2:13:45 AM

I'm really not sure what you're trying to say with this six month old benchmark. Yeah, the Phenom II x6's keep pace with old Nehanlem i7's in some workloads and beat them on easily scalable mathematical computations so that they're the preferred choice for very specific numerical workloads. But that doesn't matter to the OP and we're talking about Phenom II x4's and i5-2500K's anyways.

The review I linked earlier adequately presents the fact that CPUs matter in frame rates. Since the CPUs did not seem to impact frame rates in either of the two old games listed in your link, we can assume that an overclocked Phenom II x6 is good enough. But that's not to say a Phenom II x4 for a user who's not an avid overclocker is good enough.

Had you listed a Phenom II x4 build that undercut my i5-2500K build by $200 with the same level GPU, I probably wouldn't have said anything other than, "Hmm...that's an interesting angle you can take if it's a targeted gaming build." But your build, again, cost $100 more than mine--which was the crux of my complaints.

An 1100T cannot be recommended over an i5-2500K if they're at similar price points though. The i5-2500K wins pretty much every benchmark except for heavily scalable mathematical workloads.

Also, I didn't mention it earlier, but the 16x/4x PCI-e lanes of your initial build are not an optimal choice. You'd want one that ran 8x/8x or you'll loose ~3% fps in crossfire. This is worth considering if a board runs at 8x/8x at a similar price point.
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May 20, 2011 2:21:42 AM

dcointin, I would recommend starting your thread for advice - see the build advice sticky.

TitusFFX and dalauder let's end the debate here and wait for pretzelguy to respond. Back and forth arguments will not help him with his build, as it will result in the thread being closed.
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May 20, 2011 3:55:38 AM

Okay, thanks jbakerlent.
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May 20, 2011 11:21:28 PM

So here's what I'm thinking;

Case - HAF 912 $60

Optical Drive - LG DVD/CD $20

PSU - Antec EarthWatts 650w $65

RAM - G.Skill Ripjaws 4gb (2x2gb) $50

CPU - Intel i5 2400 $190

Motherboard - ASRock H61M/U3S3 LGA 1155 Intel H61 HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 Micro ATX Intel Motherboard $80

GPU - SAPPHIRE 100315L Radeon HD 6850 1GB 256-bit GDDR5 $170

OS - Windows 7 64bit $100

Hard drive - Samsung Spinpoint F3 $60

All together that's $795 then only $5 in shipping so I'm right at $800. What do you all think, what should/could be changed if anything?
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May 21, 2011 12:14:42 AM

all good. the lian li case is on sale if you buy it this weekend via coupon code EMCKEHK33 (-$20) totaling $59 + FS
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May 21, 2011 12:15:59 AM

Sorry. That's the K59 Lian Li case. It's a little better than the HAF 912
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May 21, 2011 1:17:32 AM

get the thermaltake V3 for 40usd on NE and use the 20usd to upgrade the 6850 to a 6870
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May 22, 2011 8:55:51 PM

If you haven't purchased yet, Newegg's got a Galaxy GTX 560Ti for $190 after $40 rebate.
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