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Zotac gtx 470 amp or gigabyte hd 5870 oc

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March 10, 2011 4:23:32 AM

I have read enough reviews to understand that stock hd 5870s get a bit better performance than stock gtx 470s.

However, I haven't been able to find consistent info on how overclocked editions of these cards may stack up to each other, especially considering current pricing. So.....Newegg has the following cards, and I'd appriciate any advice as well as reasoning for that advice as to which card would be the better buy.

Zotac gtx 470 amp ($219.00 w/rebate, free shipping)
Core Clock: 656MHz
Shader Clock: 1312MHz
Stream Processors: 448 Processor Cores

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Gigabyte hd 5870 oc ($199.00 w/rebate + $7.56 shipping)
Core Clock: 870MHz
Stream Processors: 1600 Stream Processing Units
Effective Memory Clock: 1200MHz (4.8Gbps)

I know a lot of people don't like the gtxs because they get so hot. The reviews that I've read for the zotac amp model however state that heat isn't an issue with the zalman cooler on it. sooooo here's the rest of my setup.

Intel Core2Duo E8500 3.16ghz (running at 3.6ghz)
ARCTIC COOLING Freezer 7 Pro Rev.2 92mm Fluid Dynamic CPU Cooler
EVGA 775 Nvidia nForce 680i SLI ATX Intel Motherboard
XFX ATI Radeon HD 4890
Patriot Extreme Performance 4GB (4x1GB) 240-Pin DDR2 1066 (PC2 8500) Memory
Western Digital Raptor X WD1500AHFD 150GB 10000 RPM SATA Hard Drive
Samsung 226BW 22" 2 ms (GTG) Widescreen LCD Monitor
Thermaltake Black Widow W0319RU 850W power supply
a c 189 U Graphics card
March 10, 2011 6:31:35 AM

Umm, but why HD58xx and GTX4xx series?
You'll better with newer tech like HD6950 or GTX570...

One more thing, is this board still 1.0/1.1 pcie slot version?
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March 10, 2011 2:11:51 PM

wa1 said:
Umm, but why HD58xx and GTX4xx series?
You'll better with newer tech like HD6950 or GTX570...

One more thing, is this board still 1.0/1.1 pcie slot version?



Well, I want to stay around $200 budget wise, and the hd6950/gtx570 are sitting around $300....its just more than I want to spend.

My board is pcie 1.0, but I have researched this, and have found that pci 2.0 cards like these are compatible. Plus, the hd4890 that I have right now is a pci 2.0 card and works fine.
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March 10, 2011 4:00:12 PM

Well, in this case, you can't use new tech card (they all 2.0). So I guess you can take HD5870 (it's cheaper than GTX470), no need spend much, better save your money to build a new gaming PC next year or so... :) 
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March 10, 2011 4:15:14 PM

In my opinion wa1 is right, you should save money to build a new PC next year.. and yeah actually i think that 5870 might be a lot faster and better than the 470, cause 6870 is faster than the 470 *usually* and the 5870 is faster than 6870, + it's also cheaper
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March 10, 2011 4:38:49 PM

The only real drawbacks to getting the 5870 are the lack of PhysX (for what it's worth), and the fact that DirectX 11 tesselation performance is markedly poor on the entire 5000 series. For me, those would be deciding factors in favor of the GTX 470. For the Zotac AMP!, it seems like the performance is good, the cooler is effective, but louder than usual, but sill quieter than the reference.

It's pretty funny, but this review directly compares those two cards, but for some reason the graphs and photos are no longer available. I gather that the Zotac card was faster, due to the factory overclock, but the Zalman fans were not very quiet.
http://www.techradar.com/reviews/pc-mac/pc-components/g...

This review compares the Zotac AMP! to a bunch of 5870's. It wins some and loses some. The temperatures of the Zalman cooler are outstanding though, well below any other card tested.
http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/graphics/2010/10/20/zo...

A review of the Zotac GTX 480 AMP! with the same cooler:
http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/Zotac/GeForce_GTX_48...
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March 10, 2011 8:49:59 PM

17seconds said:
The only real drawbacks to getting the 5870 are the lack of PhysX (for what it's worth), and the fact that DirectX 11 tesselation performance is markedly poor on the entire 5000 series. For me, those would be deciding factors in favor of the GTX 470. For the Zotac AMP!, it seems like the performance is good, the cooler is effective, but louder than usual, but sill quieter than the reference.

It's pretty funny, but this review directly compares those two cards, but for some reason the graphs and photos are no longer available. I gather that the Zotac card was faster, due to the factory overclock, but the Zalman fans were not very quiet.
http://www.techradar.com/reviews/pc-mac/pc-components/g...

This review compares the Zotac AMP! to a bunch of 5870's. It wins some and loses some. The temperatures of the Zalman cooler are outstanding though, well below any other card tested.
http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/graphics/2010/10/20/zo...

A review of the Zotac GTX 480 AMP! with the same cooler:
http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/Zotac/GeForce_GTX_48...


I actually read the first two reviews that you posted, and that was why I was a bit confused. The one didn't have any graphs, and the other seemed to indicate that the better card kinda depended on the game. The 480 review showed that the one game nvidia cards didn't do so hot in was "stalker." The 480 article insinuated that possibly one reason that the nvidia cards didn't do so well was that stalker is a "heavily ati optimized game."
One of the games that I look forward to playing most is Shogun Total War 2, which by the looks of it (ati advertising when you first load up the demo) could also be a "heavily ati optimized game."
If that is the case, I think I'd rather go with the 5870. This would be easier of course if shogun2 was out, and someone used it to benchmark these games!
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a c 620 U Graphics card
March 10, 2011 9:15:44 PM

Harware Heaven has started using Shogun Total War for it's benchmarks. It looks like it is AMD optimized, but as it says, "both manufacturers need a little time to optimise this game before release". A single GTX 580 easily beat all the dual chip/dual card configurations.
http://www.hardwareheaven.com/reviews/1127/pg13/amd-rad...

I can't emphasize enough though, that Shogun and other DirectX 11 titles that make heavy use of tesselation will not perform as well on a 5870. That is really the achille's heal of an otherwise good card. It's might not be a deal-breaker, but something to be aware/concerned about. As you said, it would be good to see a 5870 benchmark of the game you are looking forward to playing.


http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/geforce-gtx-480,258...
http://www.anandtech.com/show/2977/nvidia-s-geforce-gtx...


http://pcformat.techradar.com/review/zotac-geforce-gtx-...
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March 12, 2011 2:30:06 PM

17seconds said:
Harware Heaven has started using Shogun Total War for it's benchmarks. It looks like it is AMD optimized, but as it says, "both manufacturers need a little time to optimise this game before release". A single GTX 580 easily beat all the dual chip/dual card configurations.
http://www.hardwareheaven.com/reviews/1127/pg13/amd-rad...

I can't emphasize enough though, that Shogun and other DirectX 11 titles that make heavy use of tesselation will not perform as well on a 5870. That is really the achille's heal of an otherwise good card. It's might not be a deal-breaker, but something to be aware/concerned about. As you said, it would be good to see a 5870 benchmark of the game you are looking forward to playing.

http://media.bestofmicro.com/5/F/242547/original/Extreme%20Tess.png
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/geforce-gtx-480,258...
http://www.anandtech.com/show/2977/nvidia-s-geforce-gtx...

http://pcformat.techradar.com/files/images/PCF240_w_rev2_benches.jpg
http://pcformat.techradar.com/review/zotac-geforce-gtx-...


Good stuff! Thanks
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March 12, 2011 2:30:16 PM

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