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August 16, 2011 3:05:39 PM

So I went to Microcenter today and picked up some components to upgrade my pc.

Motherboard :
http://www.microcenter.com/single_product_results.phtml...
CPU :
http://www.microcenter.com/single_product_results.phtml...
RAM :
http://www.microcenter.com/single_product_results.phtml...
Cooler :
http://www.microcenter.com/single_product_results.phtml...

So I'm gonna attempt to install it all tomorrow. Few questions though.

Will I need to reinstall my OS on my HDD? I was under the impression that I would just be able to keep everything and boot straight up to how it was once I hooked everything up since the drives are SATA.

What is the best method of applying thermal paste? Do I need to spread it all out with a card/razor blade, or can I just put down a pea sized drop in the center of the cpu and then place the cooler on top of it, spreading it out evenly?

Anything else that I need to know? Any settings I should be sure to change or enable right away?

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August 16, 2011 4:17:05 PM

Thanks for the reply.

For the OS, everyone has told me I don't have too, but to avoid issues in the future I should, so I'm just going to. One question I have however, is there a way to do this without loosing data? I know I could back it all up onto an external hdd, but the only one I have is ancient, and is only 40GB. So is there a way with partitions or something to just reinstall W7 on my hdd but keep all the stored data I have without using an external HDD?

As for the thermal compound, I have heard many say the blob in the middle of the cpu is the best method. However, since I have the Hyper 212+, and it's surface isn't flat due to the heat pipes, some have said you need to fill in the gaps and then just put a dot on the cpu and install cooler. Is this necessary, or can I just proceed with the standard pea sized blob in the middle of cpu?

About the RAM, I already have it, and microcenter is a good drive, so getting different is really an option. I realize that since I'm OC 1600 would have been better but since this was only $20 and the guy there said it wouldn't make a huge difference, I just went with this to save $30.
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August 16, 2011 4:24:05 PM

Saving your Data will require you to back everything up to an external drive before you upgrade and re-instal the OS.

Thermal paste, for 10 years ive always used an old credit card to get an even thin layer all over the cpu before seating the cooler, this ahs always worked best for me.

RAM, you can always change it later on should you feel the need.

All in all a serious upgrade you have there, enjoy it.
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August 16, 2011 4:39:29 PM

Thanks. Guess I will just back up a few things then, I guess I can put some stuff on my laptop too.

For the thermal past I guess I will fill in the gaps and go from there. Thanks for the advice.

Coming from a C2D E6600 I'm hoping to see a nice boost in performance here. I'd be upgrading the gpu also, but since new series will be released soon I figured I'd hold out. Besides, since I only play at 1680x1050 my 4870 should still do fine. I can always OC it too.
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August 16, 2011 4:43:24 PM

My experience in the HDD change.

MSI K9A2 Pletinum with 790FX chipset to a Gigabyte 890FXA-UD5 with 890FX chipset, works without format. Gigabyte 890FXA-UD5 to MSI 990FXA-GD65, fail, new OS installation was the only way to use the rig. Coming back from MSI 990FXA-GD65 to 890FXA-UD5 failed too, so, new OS installation again for use the rig.

That's just luck, try, but I'd go with the new OS installation for sure. You need backup all your data before do something, since it's a new OS installation there's not way to install and keep the files at the same time.

I always apply the TIM to the cooler and not to the CPU, I'd fill the gaps and use the two lines for better performance, not too much because can also have problems with that.

Regarding the RAM, sorry for says this but. It's not the same a Honda than a Ferrari.
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August 16, 2011 4:49:29 PM

The build looks fine but like the other have expressed I am very concerned about the memory not only for poor performance but because it doesnt list the voltage on it or who the manufacturer is so that you can look that up. With the 2nd generation Intel® Core™ processros like the Intel Core i5-2500K you have you want to make sure that you use memory that is 1.5v or below because it can damage the processor and void your warranty.

Christian Wood
Intel Enthusiast Team
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August 16, 2011 5:07:52 PM

The salesman at micro center told me the brand. I had heard of it. I can't remember the exact name but it was something like adata or a-data, is that a brand or did I get it wrong? And the salesman saw everything I was getting so he made sure that everything was compatible and would work together.
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August 16, 2011 5:21:56 PM

1] Good deal on the processor, I see Newegg are selling it at 219.99 so defo a bargain.

2] That RAM is boarderline cringe material, I would pay the extra 15-20 and get GSkill or Corsair(Vengeance) and at 1600 motherboard permitting.
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August 16, 2011 5:41:33 PM

I have looked up Adata and they dont list the part # from the the site, but Adata does list the voltage on their DDR 3 memory at 1.5 + or - .75 so this is really boardline memory.

Christian Wood
Intel Enthusiast Team
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a c 162 à CPUs
August 16, 2011 5:48:32 PM

I agree with Christian, I'd prefer spend $30 more and change the RAM that look for another CPU.
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August 16, 2011 5:59:12 PM

Listen to the rest of the chaps here, take your ram back and swap it for some 1.5v 1600mhz corsair/kingston/gskill etc etc kits, better that than fry your $200 CPU.
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August 16, 2011 6:00:33 PM

So ram being used with a 2500k can't go over 1.5v? I thought many ram kits ran at 1.6v or even 1.8v?
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August 16, 2011 6:07:27 PM

Yeah, many kits are 1.6V (for DDR3) and 1.8V (for DDR2), but for SB the recommended is 1.5V
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August 17, 2011 2:45:47 PM

So I tried assembling everything last night, but ran into a problem. I had everything hooked up, and in the case. When I went to power on, the lights and fans would turn on/Spin for s brief second, and then nothing.

I figured it could a shorting problem so I took the motherboard out of the case, unplugged evrything while keeping the CPU and cooler mounted along with the ram installed. So then I hooked up the 8 pin and 24 ping and plugged in the CPU fan. Hooked up the case from power switch and tried again. Same thing. Removed both sticks of ram, same result.

Anybody got any ideas? Coult this be caused by me hooking up the front panel wrong or no since the system actually tries to turn on?

Also, the phase power LEDs above the CPU on the motherboard, only one of the 4 lights up for a brief second. Does this mean that it's recognizing the CPU at least? Or should I try reseating the CPU and cooler?
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August 17, 2011 2:55:19 PM

Just remove everything and start over, re-seat the CPU and cooler, the RAM then hook up the power and see if you don't get more joy.
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August 17, 2011 3:11:32 PM

Alright, I'll give it a try.
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August 19, 2011 4:06:10 PM

It is all put together now, but I am getting bsod consistently. They all seem to say "memory management" at the top. I'm guessing this could indicate bad ram? This has occurred when just sitting at the desktop, or when playing bad company 2. Firefox will also randomly crash, not bsod, just firefox crashes.

So would this point to ram?

Another question about my processor. I know I have the thing enabled where the CPU will clock down really low if it's not doing anything, and I can see how fast it's running with the core temp gadget. At the desktop this gadget is reporting the CPU only running at 100 or even 50mhz. This normal? Is core temp wrong?

EDIT - I believe coretemp is simply reading it wrong. CPUZ reports it running at a low of around 1600mhz

Edit again - just got another bsod at the desktop, this one "iqrl not less or equal". Please help.
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August 19, 2011 4:47:47 PM

With Intel® SpeedStep® a technology that is built into the processor will slow the processor down when it is idle. I believe that the idle speed with the Intel Core™ i5-2500K is 1600MHz, so CPUZ is showing the right information. Here is a nice little tool that you can download and run to show you where you are with Turbo Boost http://downloadcenter.intel.com/Detail_Desc.aspx?agr=Y&... .

Christian Wood
Intel Enthusiast Team
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August 19, 2011 4:56:33 PM

Thanks. Any ideas on the bsod? Firefox has also been crashing randomly, so I'm thinking more and more that this is a ram issue.
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August 19, 2011 5:03:03 PM

First of all did you change the RAM from the ADATA? With most of the "6" series boards when you put memory that is rated higher then 1.5v, the board will set it down to 1.5v and this maybe cause some problems with poor quality RAM as it may not be stable at that speed.

So if you did change it out, pull one stick and run it in single channel mode and see if it is running stable. If not replace the stick with the other and then do the samething again. This should give you an easy idea as to it being a RAM issue or not.

Christian Wood
Intel Enthusiast Team
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August 19, 2011 5:10:36 PM

No, its still the same ram from ADATA. According to cpuz, it is running at 1.5v, so perhaps that is making it unstable. I have tried changing the sticks from slots 2 and 4 to slots 1 and 3 but it still crashes.

So I should try with one stick in slot one, see if its stable, if not put the other stick in slot 1, and if thats not stable its likely a ram issue?

Would posting the logs from the bsod's help determine if this is being caused by a driver/program or RAM? I'm willing to go out and buy different RAM, I just want to be sure that's the problem before I do. Thanks for all the help so far.
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a c 190 à CPUs
August 19, 2011 5:29:53 PM

We can try to see if it would help.

Christian Wood
Intel Enthusiast Team
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August 19, 2011 6:07:56 PM

So where do I find the logs for the bsod's?

I'll post those, and then try running just one stick of the ram I have.

If replacement ram is needed, what should I get? Will any gskill, corsair, crucial, kingston 4th kit do? Is it worth the extra to get 1600 if I'm oc?
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August 19, 2011 7:20:59 PM

trogdor796 said:
So where do I find the logs for the bsod's?

I'll post those, and then try running just one stick of the ram I have.

If replacement ram is needed, what should I get? Will any gskill, corsair, crucial, kingston 4th kit do? Is it worth the extra to get 1600 if I'm oc?


GSkill RipJaws F3 12800 CL9D/CL8D OR:

Corsair Vengeance 1600C9/C8
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August 19, 2011 10:32:06 PM

Alright. I'll check those out on Jewett

Where do I get the bsod logs from?
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August 19, 2011 11:11:43 PM

There are lots of decent 1600 mhz ramkits available that run at 1.5 v, so don't restrict yourself just to those two.
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August 19, 2011 11:21:04 PM

Okay.

Bsod logs?
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August 20, 2011 5:21:03 AM

Uther39 said:
There are lots of decent 1600 mhz ramkits available that run at 1.5 v, so don't restrict yourself just to those two.



Ditto, don't just look at Corsair and GSkill, Mushkin Radioactive range memory is also 1.5v and cheaper but gives good performance. Then you also have Kingston range which is probably the lower end of the performance RAM market, you will save buck and not notice any real performance difference.


Don't restrict yourself to 1600 RAM, 1333 RAM is as efficient and cheaper.

If they say 1.5v-1.65v forget about it and move on, focus on 1.5v only.
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August 20, 2011 6:27:41 AM

I may not need to buy new RAM it seems.

After installing various windows updates including sp1, and updating motherboard bios and drivers, no more BSOD!!! Has been running stable for hours now, many of which have been spent playing Bad Company 2 non-stop.

Leaving the VCore on Auto the highest it has reached is 1.33v, and this is while running at 4.2GHz. Highest temps per core are low 50's. Idle Temps are mid-high 30's. This all good and safe and won't kill the cpu prematurely?
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August 20, 2011 7:46:54 AM

Yep all seems well with your system, enjoy.
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August 20, 2011 6:48:02 PM

So I have a question for you guys that's not really super technical.

Right now, with the components listed in my op, I am using a 4870 as a gpu. Old, I know, but I only play at 1680x1050, so it works for me. I plan to replace that when the new 28nm cards come early next year.

How long should this system last me CPU, ram, and mobo wise? Like how long till the performance of it slows to a point where to play current games I would need something new? I'm hoping for at east 3 years. I am expecting too much?
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August 20, 2011 7:03:41 PM

trogdor796 said:
So I have a question for you guys that's not really super technical.

Right now, with the components listed in my op, I am using a 4870 as a gpu. Old, I know, but I only play at 1680x1050, so it works for me. I plan to replace that when the new 28nm cards come early next year.

How long should this system last me CPU, ram, and mobo wise? Like how long till the performance of it slows to a point where to play current games I would need something new? I'm hoping for at east 3 years. I am expecting too much?


If you build well and with the right components, I would say 5 years is the minimum.
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August 20, 2011 7:11:12 PM

So if I put a good gpu in once the new series come out, its performance life is 5 years? That's great.

Btw, I am not talking about how long it will last without breaking or failing. My e6600 still worked fine it was just getting slow and needed an upgrade.
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