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[SOLVED] First Build! Need Review ($1000 All-Purpose PC)

Hi everyone!

I'm new to Tom's Hardware but a few days of trolling have led me to believe this is a good place for advice.

I am about to start building my first computer. I've done my reading and think I have a good enough feel to get started... but I would really appreciate anyone's input on the build I am going for.

For background, I want this PC to be really fast at multitasking/data processing, solid for Photoshop/illustrator, and good enough for premier and solidworks. I've got a $1000 budget and want this thing to last.

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Edit: CPU
Intel Core i5-2500K Sandy Bridge 3.3GHz
224.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115072&cm_re=i5_2500k-_-19-115-072-_-Product

Motherboard:
ASUS P8P67 LE LGA 1155, Intel P67 SATA
144.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=13-131-706&SortField=0&SummaryType=0&Pagesize=10&PurchaseMark=&SelectedRating=-1&VideoOnlyMark=False&VendorMark=&IsFeedbackTab=true&Page=4#scrollFullInfo

Edit: Power Supply
Antec EarthWatts EA-650 GREEN 650W ATX12V v2.3 SLI Ready CrossFire Certified 80 PLUS BRONZE Certified
64.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817371044

EDIT: Memory
CORSAIR XMS 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800)
74.99 (after $20 rebate)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=20-145-324&SortField=0&SummaryType=0&Pagesize=10&PurchaseMark=&SelectedRating=-1&VideoOnlyMark=False&VendorMark=&IsFeedbackTab=true&Page=2#scrollFullInfo

Harddrive
Seagate Constellation 500GB, 7200 RPM, 32MB Cache
89.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822148609&cm_re=seagate_constellation-_-22-148-609-_-Product

EDITx2: Graphics Card
ASUS ENGTX460 DirectCU TOP/2DI/768MD5 GeForce GTX 460 (Fermi) 768MB 192-bit GDDR5
120.00 (after 30$ rebate)
http://api.viglink.com/api/click?format=go&key=984ed3ed6aa9a69986f88d56d10e7616&loc=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.tomshardware.com%2Fforum%2F311651-31-first-build-review-1000-purpose%23t2317520&v=1&libid=1306120797949&out=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.newegg.com%2FProduct%2FProduct.aspx%3FItem%3DN82E16814121390&title=First%20Build!%20Need%20Review%20(%241000%20All-Purpose%20PC)&txt=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.newegg.com%2FProduct%2FProd%20%5B...%5D%206814121390

EDIT: Case
COOLER MASTER HAF 912
49.99 (after 10$ rebate)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811119233

DVD R/W
ASUS black DVD RW
21.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827135204

Monitor
Acer S211HLbd 21.5'' 5ms LED-Backlight LCD Monitor 
119.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824009261

CPU Cooler
None additional. Just going with what is stock on the CPU

Keyboard/Mouse
Logitech MK120
18.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16823126097

EDIT: Total Costs: $945.93
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If I am missing something critical please let me know. This is literally my buying list. If something important is not listed its not because I forgot.... its that I didn't know I needed it.

Seriously, thanks in advance for all the help!

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  1. It's the H67 that has the integrated GFX, not the P67
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131711

    cheaper RAM
    (2 x 4GB) Corsair CAS 9 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820145324
  2. JackNaylorPE said:
    It's the H67 that has the integrated GFX, not the P67
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131711


    Er.. This is a newb question probably. But I thought it was the CPU that had the integrated graphics not the motherboard? On the details for the CPU it says: "Intel HD Graphics 3000". Do I need another integrated graphics chip on the motherboard as well?
  3. Okay I think I follow you now, Jack

    This table from another post in the forum helped understand the difference between P67 and H67.


    I'm adding:
    Graphics Card: ASUS ENGT430/DI/1GD3(LP) GeForce GT 430 (Fermi) 1GB 128-bit 
    69.99
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814121397

    Thanks! And thanks for the RAM recommendation. Nice little 20$ rebate
  4. The case is an old design that makes cable management and HD access difficult.

    For 10$ less, a far better case.

    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811119233

    For the same price (ends today) $20 OFF instant.

    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811112319

    Both have better quality fans, fit and finish. The Lian LI has much better filters.
  5. Quote:
    For the same price (ends today) $20 OFF instant.

    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811112319

    Both have better quality fans, fit and finish. The Lian LI has much better filters.


    Thanks a lot. I might just snag this today actually.
  6. LOL are you kidding me. The Lian Li sold out three seconds after looking at it.
  7. Don't understand your choice of HD either.

    For $20 less you can get 2TB instead of 500 GB.

    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822152245

    If you want an appreciable increase in boot(and application) loading speed, you need to look at adding an SSD.

    It adds $215 to your build, but if you are looking to increase your productivity for the long haul, I would add a 120 GB SSD boot drive.

    Other than Memory, it is what will speed your applications the greatest amount. (given your already high end CPU)

    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820227726
  8. Quote:
    LOL are you kidding me. The Lian Li sold out three seconds after looking at it.

    Sorry, bought my on Friday so you can't blame me. :ange:

    I did check it still was on sale before posting. ;)
  9. acidrain said:
    Don't understand your choice of HD either.

    For $10 less you can get 2TB instead of 500 GB.

    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822152245

    If you want an appreciable increase in boot(and application) loading speed, you need to look at adding an SSD.


    My first place for reading material was Building a Perfect PC by Robert Thompson and he made a pretty strong recommendation for sticking to 7200 RPM hard drives. Here's the quote:

    Quote:
    "A mainstream 7,200 RPM serial ATA (SATA) hard drive is the best choice for nearly any system. Such drives are fast, inexpensive, and reliable. The best models are also relatively quiet and produce little heat. When you design your system, use one of these drives unless you have good reason to do otherwise.

    Avoid 5,400 RPM or 5,900 RPM drives, which cost less than 7,200 RPM models but have noticeably poorer performance. The exception to that rule is when performance doesn't matter. For example, you may need to store huge amounts of data that is seldom accessed, in which case performance may be less important than capacity and cost. Similarly, if you're using the drive in an external chassis for doing overnight backups, you probably don't care if the backup takes four hours to complete on a 5,400 RPM drive versus only three hours on a 7,200 RPM drive."


    In any case, I can't see myself ever even getting close to 500 GB. I haven't even been able to hit 40 GB on my laptop that I've been using for the past 5 years.

    As for getting the SSD drive. I'm open to it down the line, but really want to stay within my budget for now.

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    But seriously thanks for the input. This was exactly the kind of review I was looking for.

    If you're still around, will my graphics card suffice?
  10. Well, do you have a spare power cord around? one from an old system that is retired?

    I have about a dozen...but I'm an enthusiast.

    I thought you had the antec 650 bronze listed, but looked and you have the older 80+

    This one is not only more efficient, but $25 less.

    (assuming you have a spare cord around)

    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817371044
  11. Quote:
    My first place for reading material was Building a Perfect PC by Robert Thompson and he made a pretty strong recommendation for sticking to 7200 RPM hard drives. Here's the quote:


    Yeah, that is a really simplistic approach.
    Yeah, RPM has an affect, but so does platter size, areal density, cache, ATA 48-bit Address Feature, SATA Native Command Queuing Feature and about a dozen other factors.

    The only way to know the real speed is to look at reviews. However, like I said, the difference in speed between any good quality modern HD is negligible. I have not read Mr. Thompsons book, but I am willing to bet that he is not keeping up with the fast pace of change in the industry. :wahoo: :lol: (or if he is, it is not reflected in adequate updates to the guide)
  12. Quote:
    This one is not only more efficient, but $25 less.

    (assuming you have a spare cord around)


    Well I've got an ancient HP Pavilion 6645. (My house is mostly laptops). Does the cord have to be anything special? Like a: "Make sure the cord says..." that I should know about?


    In any case for 25$ can't I just buy myself a new powercord?
  13. Nothing special, just the standard 3-slot smiley face model that has been around forever. ;)

    Quote:
    n any case for 25$ can't I just buy myself a new powercord?


    Yeah, $3...Just wanted to warn you, and not have you go ape-S... trying to find it in the box. :lol:

    http://www.performance-pcs.com/catalog/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=34_187&products_id=27543
  14. Quote:
    Yeah, $3...Just wanted to warn you, and not have you go ape-S... trying to find it in the box. :lol:


    It's funny because I just tried to dig it out.... But failed haha. 3$ is definitely acceptable
  15. Best answer
    on the graphics card, Adobe use GPU Compute acceleration on some high end programs (CUDA on NVDA cards) However, I don't know if has filtered down to Illustrator.

    In general, the best bang for your buck on graphics cards is the mid range ($100-200)

    AMD 6850 @ $150 and NV 460 say down to $120 on sale

    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814121390


    I don't know if you need(or can use) the extra processing power.

    Check to see if premier and solid works use open gl, and or Cuda. If they do, I would definitely step up to a more advanced card.

    See List of GPU accelerated functions:

    http://www.adobe.com/products/premiere/features.html

    Solidworks only list professional grade cards, but confirms that it uses Open GL for rendering.


    If you are not OC(, the K in the 2600 I7 doesn't get you anything. (since you are going with the stock cooler, I assume you were not planning on much of an OC)

    You can save around $100 by going down to the i5 2500 K (save you some room for light OC)

    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115073

    You loose HT, but the hit is not as great as it might seem.

    Excellent real world work load review comparing 2600 and 2500:

    http://www.fudzilla.com/reviews/item/22655-intel-sandy-bridge-put-to-the-test/22655-intel-sandy-bridge-put-to-the-test?start=6

    I'd be willing to bet that the $100 would be better spent on the graphics card. :wahoo:
  16. You could consider going with a z68 motherboard so you can add a small SSD later and use the SSD caching features
  17. Quote:
    If you are not OC(, the K in the 2600 I7 doesn't get you anything. (since you are going with the stock cooler, I assume you were not planning on much of an OC)

    You can save around $100 by going down to the i5 2500 K (save you some room for light OC)

    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6819115073

    You loose HT, but the hit is not as great as it might seem.

    Excellent real world work load review comparing 2600 and 2500:

    http://www.fudzilla.com/reviews/it [...] st?start=6


    Thanks for the comparison link. That was really eye-opening.


    And you're right. i-5 2500k looks to be the better option for me. 6% faster isn't worth $90 to me, and I'm not quite comfortable enough with overclocking to benefit from the 2600's added potential in that department. (Though I might tinker around with the 2500 if something more is possible with just the stock cooler)

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    Oh I almost forgot to ask. Even after adding the graphics card, I should still be okay with power requirements right? (Newb question I know...).
  18. cmadrid said:
    You could consider going with a z68 motherboard so you can add a small SSD later and use the SSD caching features


    Hey cmadrid. Do you have any simple walkthroughs on how to do this? I think its a little outside my league/time commitment to get a handle on it at this point. But thanks for the suggestion!
  19. I will look for one, I've seen a few reviews that say its very easy to set up
  20. http://www.legitreviews.com/article/1615/1/

    motherboard review.. links from there to their ssd caching review

    http://www.legitreviews.com/article/1612/2/
  21. Yeah, 650 watt is enough for almost any single card system.

    With the 460, your entire system won't ever be pulling much more than 350 watts.
    Hence, you have plenty of cushion. You will in fact be hitting the sweet spot of optimal efficiency (in the 50% range is the most efficient for most PSU.)
  22. Shoot, you forgot the OS tax. :non:

    Unless you have a full version that you will transfer, OEM is the way to go.

    $25 off with your MB, always check the combo's when you pick your core items.

    http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.652924

    Memory combo with CPU gets you CAS 8 1600 memory at a dollar or two less and no MIR. (instant combo verse delay)

    G-Skill and Corsair are both highly rated.

    http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.644341
  23. Quote:
    Unless you have a full version that you will transfer, OEM is the way to go.

    $25 off with your MB, always check the combo's when you pick your core items.


    Yeah I was thinking of giving ubuntu a shot... and if I got too frustrated, I'd drag myself back to Windows.

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    Quote:
    Memory combo with CPU gets you CAS 8 1600 memory at a dollar or two less and no MIR. (instant combo verse delay)

    G-Skill and Corsair are both highly rated.


    This is also really good. Thanks a ton!


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  24. cmadrid said:
    http://www.legitreviews.com/article/1615/1/

    motherboard review.. links from there to their ssd caching review

    http://www.legitreviews.com/article/1612/2/


    Dang man. Just as I was getting into the potential of the ssd caching. The last batch of Asus z68s were sold out.

    Are either of you guys familiar with the GIGABYTE GA-Z68X?
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128494&cm_re=z68-_-13-128-494-_-Product

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  25. Gigabyte ASUS MSI ASRock z68 boards should all work similarly
  26. Okay. So based on the possibility of going to SSD caching. I now have a second build to compare against. This time I'm including some bundling left-and-right and am including Windows 7. My cost ends up being 1122.90, which means I am going to have to compromise somewhere (as close to $1000 as is possible).... but this has a lot of speed potential!

    Let me know if you guys think this one is better (I'd go with option 1... but its over my $1000l price point).

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    Z68 Gigabyte Build for SSD Caching - OPTION 1
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    Bundle 1: 389.98
    CPU: Intel Core i5-2500K Sandy Bridge 3.3GHz (3.7GHz Turbo Boost) LGA 1155
    Motherboard: GIGABYTE GA-Z68X-UD4-B3 LGA 1155 Intel Z68 SATA 6Gb/s
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.652042

    Bundle 2: 219.98 (after 20$ rebate)
    Graphics Card (Switched to cheaper): ASUS ENGTS450 DC OC/DI/1GD5 GeForce GTS 450 (Fermi)
    Windows 7 Professional (64 bit)
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.653599

    Harddrive (went for cheaper harddrive.): 44.99
    Seagate Barracuda 7200.12 ST3500418AS 500GB 7200 RPM 16MB Cache
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822148395

    Memory
    CORSAIR XMS 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800)
    74.99 (after $20 rebate)
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820145324&cm_re=CORSAIR_XMS_8GB_%282_x_4GB%29_240-Pin_DDR3_SDRAM_DDR3-_-20-145-324-_-Product

    Case: 50
    Cooler Master HAL 2
    http://api.viglink.com/api/click?format=go&key=984ed3ed6aa9a69986f88d56d10e7616&loc=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.tomshardware.com%2Fforum%2Fmessage.php%3Fref%3D0%26numrep%3D0%26config%3Dtomshardwareus.inc%26cat%3D31%26post%3D311651%26page%3D1%26p%3D1%26subcat%3D322%26sondage%3D0%26owntopic%3D0%26new%3D0&v=1&libid=1306125295433&out=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.newegg.com%2FProduct%2FProduct.aspx%3FItem%3DN82E16811119233&title=Tom's%20Hardware%20Forums%20-%20Reply%20%2F%20edit%20message&txt=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.newegg.com%2FProduct%2FProd%20%5B...%5D%206811119233

    Monitor: 119.99
    Acer S211HLbd 21.5'' 5ms LED-Backlight LCD Monitor
    http://api.viglink.com/api/click?format=go&key=984ed3ed6aa9a69986f88d56d10e7616&loc=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.tomshardware.com%2Fforum%2Fmessage.php%3Fref%3D0%26numrep%3D0%26config%3Dtomshardwareus.inc%26cat%3D31%26post%3D311651%26page%3D1%26p%3D1%26subcat%3D322%26sondage%3D0%26owntopic%3D0%26new%3D0&v=1&libid=1306125295433&out=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.newegg.com%2FProduct%2FProduct.aspx%3FItem%3DN82E16824009261&title=Tom's%20Hardware%20Forums%20-%20Reply%20%2F%20edit%20message&txt=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.newegg.com%2FProduct%2FProd%20%5B...%5D%206824009261

    Power Supply: 64.99
    Antec EarthWatts EA-650 GREEN 650W ATX12V v2.3 SLI Ready CrossFire Certified 80 PLUS BRONZE Certified
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817371044&Tpk=Antec%20EarthWatts%20EA-650%20GREEN%20650W%20ATX12V%20v2.3%20SLI

    DVD R/W: 21.99
    Some basic one...
    http://api.viglink.com/api/click?format=go&key=984ed3ed6aa9a69986f88d56d10e7616&loc=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.tomshardware.com%2Fforum%2Fmessage.php%3Fconfig%3Dtomshardwareus.inc%26cat%3D31%26post%3D311651%26numreponse%3D2317706%26page%3D1%26p%3D1%26subcat%3D322%26sondage%3D0%26owntopic%3D0%23formulaire&v=1&libid=1306125800785&out=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.newegg.com%2FProduct%2FProduct.aspx%3FItem%3DN82E16827135204&ref=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.tomshardware.com%2Fforum%2F311651-31-first-build-review-1000-purpose&title=Tom's%20Hardware%20Forums%20-%20Reply%20%2F%20edit%20message&txt=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.newegg.com%2FProduct%2FProd%20%5B...%5D%206827135204

    Keyboard Mouse: 18.99
    http://api.viglink.com/api/click?format=go&key=984ed3ed6aa9a69986f88d56d10e7616&loc=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.tomshardware.com%2Fforum%2Fmessage.php%3Fconfig%3Dtomshardwareus.inc%26cat%3D31%26post%3D311651%26numreponse%3D2317706%26page%3D1%26p%3D1%26subcat%3D322%26sondage%3D0%26owntopic%3D0%23formulaire&v=1&libid=1306125800785&out=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.newegg.com%2FProduct%2FProduct.aspx%3FItem%3DN82E16823126097&ref=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.tomshardware.com%2Fforum%2F311651-31-first-build-review-1000-purpose&title=Tom's%20Hardware%20Forums%20-%20Reply%20%2F%20edit%20message&txt=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.newegg.com%2FProduct%2FProd%20%5B...%5D%206823126097

    Total Costs: 1005.90 (Just about Right) ----> THIS IS WHAT I'm GOING WITH.
  27. ------------
    P67 Original Build after edits - OPTION 2
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    Bundle 1: 259.98
    Windows 7 Professional (64 bit)
    Motherboard: ASUS P8P67 LE (REV 3.0) LGA 1155 Intel P67 SATA ...
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.652924

    Bundle 2: 296.98
    CPU: Intel Core i5-2500K Sandy Bridge 3.3GHz (3.7GHz
    Memory: G.SKILL Ripjaws X Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800)
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.644341

    Graphics Card: 119.99
    ASUS ENGTX460 DirectCU TOP/2DI/768MD5 GeForce GTX 460 (Fermi) 768MB
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814121390

    Harddrive: 44.99
    Seagate Barracuda 7200.12 ST3500418AS 500GB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822148395

    Case: 50
    Cooler Master HAL 2
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811119233&nm_mc=AFC-C8Junction&cm_mmc=AFC-C8Junction-_-RSSDailyDeals-_-na-_-na&AID=10521304&PID=4176827&SID=19xgx4dypea3i

    Monitor: 119.99
    Acer S211HLbd 21.5'' 5ms LED-Backlight LCD Monitor
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824009261&Tpk=Acer%20S211HLbd%2021.5%27%27%205ms%20LED-Backlight%20LCD%20Monitor

    Power Supply: 64.99
    Antec EarthWatts EA-650 GREEN 650W ATX12V v2.3 SLI Ready CrossFire Certified 80 PLUS BRONZE Certified
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817371044&Tpk=Antec%20EarthWatts%20EA-650%20GREEN%20650W%20ATX12V%20v2.3%20SLI

    DVD R/W: 21.99
    Some basic one...
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827135204

    Keyboard Mouse: 18.99
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16823126097&nm_mc=AFC-C8Junction&cm_mmc=AFC-C8Junction-_-RSSDailyDeals-_-na-_-na&AID=10521304&PID=4176827&SID=1vfljcjfvhou9

    Total Costs: 1019.90


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    In any case you guys have been EXTREMELY helpful for me. Like seriously was not expecting this thorough of a review. I really appreciate everyone's help!
  28. get the first one and buy the SSD when you get an extra bit of cash
  29. Yeah, the edited first option is better.

    Prices on SSD keep coming down. I'm not sold on the Caching option. It is really still a half-way compromise that is not optimized yet.
    Perhaps with better OS support in the future.......

    My reading of ANANDS review is that you are still better off using a separate boot drive.

    http://www.anandtech.com/show/4337/z68-ssd-caching-with-corsairs-f40-sandforce-ssd/6

    Read and Especially write speeds increase significantly on the larger SSD.

    Save your money and upgrade to the 128 GB SSD later. By the end of the year(or a little later) they will be down to a very reasonable 1$ GB.

    Once you get one, you will never go back. :lol:
  30. Okay. I bought option #1. Thanks everyone for the extreme amount of help given!
  31. Best answer selected by afhaque89.
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