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May 23, 2011 7:14:52 AM

Hey everybody, I've been reading the forums and loved the info so I decided to join. Anyways, I was looking at getting a PC from cyberpower or ibuypower but after reading the reviews and such it seems like I would be better off building my own. I don't really have any experience doing so but it doesn't seem like it should be too difficult. I have about a $2000 budget, give or take a couple hundred, so I'm just looking for suggestions on where to buy from and what to buy I guess. The purpose for this PC is gaming. Any suggestions / tips would be greatly appreciated.

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May 23, 2011 5:20:52 PM

This is my base $2000 build .... assumes you have monitor, KB and Mouse.

Case - $155 - Antec DF-85 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Case Fans - $15 - Antec Red 120 mm http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
PSU - $120 - Antec CP-850 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
MoBo - $465 - ASUS P8P67 WS Revolution http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...
CPU - incl - Intel Core i5-2600K http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Cooler - $40 - Scythe SCMG 2100 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
TIM - $5 - Shin Etsu http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
RAM - $130 - (2 x 4GB) Mushkin CAS 7 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
GFX - $220 - EVGA GTX 560 (900MHz) http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
GFX - $220 - Same
HD - $65 - Spinpoint F3 1TB 7200 rpm http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
SSD - $300 - OCZ Vertex 3 2.5" 120GB http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
DVD Writer - $70 - Asus 24X DRW-24B3L w/ LS http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Card Reader $50 55 in 1 Card Reader http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
OS - $140 - Win 7-64 Home Pro http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

The why's .....

MoBo / CPU - This assumes that you are going to do something else (PhotoShop, CAD, video editing, etc) besides gaming that requires or at least benefits from hyperthreading. If ya don't need HT, a 2500k will suffice.....the same combo is available w/ the 2500k BTW and saves $90 over the 2600k combo.

RAM - Your budget allows for low CAS RAM. This is undoubtedly a big help in the HT applications described above. As for gaming, it's oft said that it doesn't help more than 2 - 4% however, this is mostly true only in lower budget systems where the GFX subsystem is the bottleneck. Anandtech's site has an article showing that minimum frame rates can be improved substantially just by dropping 2 CAS numbers.

Cooler / TIM - You could spend more for a cooler but with Sandy Bridge a great cooler isn't really req'd so save the money.

GFX - Two 900Mhz 560's gives ya 40% more performance than a single 580 for $60 less and would be my choice at 1920 x 1200 (or 1080). At 2560 x 1600 I'd get the best ATI card ya can fit in your budget. I have overclocked the Asus ones to 1000 MHz and often without any voltage tweaks.

SSD - The Vertex 3 is the fastest one available at the moment at 550 MBps .... The Corsair Force 3 at 120 GB will match the speed as it is reportedly priced at $220 .... but it's not on the shelves as yet. When it is, expect OCZ to drop the cost of the Vertex 3 to match.

HD - There's no overall winner between the WD Black, Spinpoint F3 and Seagate 7200.12, pick the one that performs best under your applications:

http://www.tomshardware.com/charts/2009-3.5-desktop-har...[2371]=on&prod[3016]=on&prod[2365]=on

Optical - I included Blue Ray since it fit in the budget. If ya not gonna watch BR movies, ya can shave off $50.

OS - I have Pro cause as multi PC households are quite common these days (12 at my house). If ya don't have more than a combined 5 PC's on the network, or don't need any othe rof Pro's features dropped down to Home Premium and save $40.

Case / PSU - This is a highly subjective choice. When building for someone, I'll always suggest either the DF-85 or HAF-X as this are the "easiest" builds. Each has some minor shortcomings but the ability to take the super quiet CPX form factor PSU's is a big plus in my book for the DF-85. Also the "tool less" features of the HAF series can be frustrating at times as they can be difficult to line up sometimes and they rattle bit. The CP-850 gets a 10.0 performance rating from jonnyguru.com :

http://www.jonnyguru.com/modules.php?name=NDReviews&op=...

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It is completely unmatched by any ATX unit on the market I can think of. You'd have to spend twice as much as this thing costs to find the next best thing, performance wise.


The "twice as much" part is a bit outdated as while it's still a lot cheaper @ $120 than anything that can match it's performance, prices of comparable 10.0 performance rated PSU's from the compoetition have come down considerable in recent months:

$155 Corsair HX850 (after $10 MIR)
$155 XFX Black Edition 850 (usually a $30 MIR but not now)
$163 Corsair AX850 (after $20 MIR)

DF85 + CP-850 = $275*
HAF-X + XFX Black = $345*

* Prices change daily, when ya see a special or big MIR , jump on it.


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May 23, 2011 5:38:11 PM

Motopsychojdn said:
Firstly, welcome and well done for making the decision to free yourself :) 
Secondly, fill this in: http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/forum/261222-13-build-adv...
I know your budget and use, just a few more details will help folks sort you a build out
Moto


Approximate Purchase Date: Sometime in August (I'm in Afghanistan until then)

Budget Range: $2000 +/- $200

System Usage from Most to Least Important: Gaming, and some online school, but mostly just gaming.

Parts Not Required: keyboard, mouse, monitor

Preferred Website(s) for Parts: I really only know about newegg but if there's something better then I'll use that.

Country of Origin: United States

Parts Preferences: I usually prefer AMD processors, but I'm not set to any specific brand.

Overclocking: Yes, assuming I can figure out how to do it.

SLI or Crossfire: I'd prefer a single card set-up but whatever gets more performance in games is what I'll do.

Monitor Resolution: 1920x1200

Additional Comments: I have limited time to hop on the internet here but I'll try to check this frequently. Thanks for the help and looking at this thread.
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May 23, 2011 7:58:18 PM

My 2-cents, when done with the physical build, download drivers for all components from the web, I.E., Intel, AMD for graphics, mobo supplier for bios update. This will help to ensure a smooth start-up and eliminate possible compatibility/ driver issues. A second on hand for any questions while building would be a plus.
Have fun!
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May 23, 2011 8:25:53 PM

MSI KA780GX-M
DDR2 KINGSTON 800MHZ 4 GIGS
ATI XFX 5770 1GB HD RADEON GDDR5
ALTHON 2 X4 2.9 (my OC is 3.3)
1TB HDD
WINDOW 7 64 BIT HOME (OEM)
ULTRA X BLASTER CASE
120 MM FAN X2
POWER UP! 550watt PSU
Hanspree 22 inch 1680x1850 monitor
Cost: a low 700-800 for a mid level pc

I highly rec that you get a better cooler and CPU. I will get a x6 phenom and new ati 6950 or ati 6850 OC then a new CPU fan. It's a good budget the ram (XMS2 CORSAIR) on TIGERDIRECT is only 50$ for 4 gig's (2 gigs on each) Though remover the HDD cage in the case get a HDD mounter and get x2 tb HDD.

This is my rig low in power and plays games on high at 60fps (bulletstorm is 40ish)

But get a phenom and a ati 6850 daul slot ICEQ TURBO.
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May 24, 2011 3:10:17 AM

yhtz said:
Hey everybody, I've been reading the forums and loved the info so I decided to join. Anyways, I was looking at getting a PC from cyberpower or ibuypower but after reading the reviews and such it seems like I would be better off building my own. I don't really have any experience doing so but it doesn't seem like it should be too difficult. I have about a $2000 budget, give or take a couple hundred, so I'm just looking for suggestions on where to buy from and what to buy I guess. The purpose for this PC is gaming. Any suggestions / tips would be greatly appreciated.


Keep safe over there.

I just built a new rig for gaming, and because I can (I'm an experienced enthusiast). Now you don't have to follow my advise, but for the system you seem to want you should go with the Intel i5 2500K. It gives you room to overclock and has the good iGPU on board. It is probably the hottest gaming CPU on the market right now and is optimized for your intended use. Price $218.

Mobo: ASRock Z68 Extreme6: expected price about $250.

Memory: Corsair Vengeance 2 X 4 GB @ $100.

PSU: Corsair AX 850 W @ $170.

Case: Corsair 600 T @ $150.

CPU cooler: Antec H20 620 @ $70.

HDD: Western Digital Caviar Black 2 TB @ $150.

SSD: Crucial M4 128 GB @ $240.

GPU: ASUS GTX 580 @ $500.

BluRay Burner: Sony @ $100.

Monitor: 24 in ASUS @ $160.

This will run quiet, cool and kill games.
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May 26, 2011 5:05:05 AM

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