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Need A New Graphics Card, ~$250 budget

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March 16, 2011 7:53:13 PM

I'm looking for a new graphics cards that is supported by my computer.

Specs:
Case: Mid size ATX
Mobo: H-RS880 uATX (Aloe)
CPU: AMD Athlon II X4 630 2.8GHz
RAM: 2 Samsung 2G DDR3 1333MHz (Total of 4G)
PSU: Corsair GS600 600W
GPU: Integrated

I have a budget of about $250, but can go a little higher if needed.

I have narrowed down my choices to a few cards:

Radeon 5870
Radeon 6870
Geforce GTX 560 Ti 1GB
Radeon 6950 1gb (maybe 2gb)

My mobo does not support SLI or Crossfire so that's not an option. I'm using the card primarily with UDK and I want to hook up 2-3 monitors on one PC. Gaming is a second priority. I also want to know if these tasks are limited by my CPU/mobo.

So, from this I'm not sure which card to get. Which is better suited for my needs (and, if any, by my CPU/mobo limitations)?
Thanks.
a b U Graphics card
March 16, 2011 8:13:33 PM

576w, $200, very high screen resolution, 4GB RAM & Propus 630
HD5850 < HD6850


http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... - eVGA GeForce GTX460-2GB $230

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... - Gigabyte Radeon HD5850-1GB (Overclocked) $185


1GB could be a little small for three monitors but if you're not gaming so much then you mustn't worry as much about that. How big are these monitors you speak of?
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March 16, 2011 8:19:28 PM

Edit: Links work now.
My current monitors are an HP 23" 1920x1080 and an old 17" 1024x768 (this one will be replaced soon by a 20-23")

Also, does "HD5850 < HD6850" mean the 6850 is incompatible with my system?

Edit: Meant 6850.
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a c 106 U Graphics card
March 16, 2011 8:34:07 PM

Actually the 5850 is a little faster than the 6850 except when it comes to tessellation. Of course, the 5850 is also a bigger card so that just depends on your case. If you're going to run 3 monitors though I think you should look at a 6870 or a 5870. The 5870 can be had pretty cheap now.

GIGABYTE GV-R587OC-1GD $229.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
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a b U Graphics card
March 16, 2011 8:53:50 PM

I'd also suggest the 5870, they may not be the latest and greatest but those 1600 shaders really do the job. And I've seen 'em on sale for $199 after rebates..

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...


BTW, if you want 3 monitors, all the Single NVidia card need to come off your list...
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March 16, 2011 8:58:01 PM

It seems like the 5870 is going to be my new card, but will its performance be limited by my motherboard and cpu? Also how good is PhysX support with an AMD card?
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a b U Graphics card
March 16, 2011 9:18:55 PM

PhysX is only used in a very few games....

I would expect very little if any slow down due to the CPU. And if there is, a simple OC is a cheap tweak. Or, just pull the Athlon and drop in an AMD 955...
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March 16, 2011 9:29:48 PM

Ok, thank you for the help guys. I'll be ordering the 5870 (or 5850) soon. I don't think I'll be overclocking either my cpu or the card since I don't know how, so hopefully there isn't any slow down.
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a c 620 U Graphics card
March 16, 2011 9:56:31 PM

Reacxtion said:
It seems like the 5870 is going to be my new card, but will its performance be limited by my motherboard and cpu? Also how good is PhysX support with an AMD card?

AMD cards cannot do PhysX.
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March 16, 2011 10:01:15 PM

Don't get the 5870 they have a bag of issues. Get a EVGA GTX 460 super overclocked 1gb going for 179 at newegg. Gtx 460 supports hardware mpe which the 5870 don't support especially in video editing purposes.
Use the money you saved and buy another 2gb of ram
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March 16, 2011 10:05:11 PM

Does the gtx 460 support 2-3 monitors though?
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a c 620 U Graphics card
March 16, 2011 10:07:51 PM

Reacxtion said:
Does the gtx 460 support 2-3 monitors though?

It supports 2 monitors. Gaming in 3 monitors really requires a high-end video card, and/or Crossfire/SLI anyway.
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March 16, 2011 10:15:03 PM

2 is fine I suppose. I don't plan on gaming with 3 monitors. I only planned to game on one monitor and program productively on 2-3 monitors.
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March 16, 2011 10:16:17 PM

Reacxtion said:
Does the gtx 460 support 2-3 monitors though?

you won't pull 3 monitors on 3x 1080p monitors with a sub 200usd gpu setup in gaming
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a b U Graphics card
March 16, 2011 10:48:34 PM

Well IF three monitor support is off the table, my favorite NVidia card is the MSI Hawk 460. It's Factory overclocked to the power of a GTX 470 for the price of a 460...

And, with triple voltage control just about every card can crack 1Ghz speed.... (and run 60C in games...in SLI)

For $179

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...


Or, if you have to have the ultimate, $199 (& who doesn't ?)

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

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March 16, 2011 11:09:40 PM

jb6684 said:
Well IF three monitor support is off the table, my favorite NVidia card is the MSI Hawk 460. It's Factory overclocked to the power of a GTX 470 for the price of a 460...

And, with triple voltage control just about every card can crack 1Ghz speed.... (and run 60C in games...in SLI)

For $179

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...


Or, if you have to have the ultimate, $199 (& who doesn't ?)

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

I looked about a hour a go at the price of the Tallon Attack and it was 220usd lol
That's not the Tallon ain't it?
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March 16, 2011 11:42:53 PM

jb6684 said:
Yeah like anything ya gotta read the fine print:



MSI N460GTX Hawk, 780Mhz stock $199 and $179 after mail-in-rebate

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...


MSI N460GTX Hawk Talon Attack, 811Mhz stock $219 and $199 after mail-in-rebate

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

so the cheaper 1 is basically a underclocked Tallon? That gpu can almost touch 1Ghz and can easy go up to the 470 stock speeds.
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a b U Graphics card
March 16, 2011 11:52:02 PM

Yes. MSI grades and sorts their parts. The Hawk Talon Attach has exactly the same parts, they just tested slightly better. Like, lower temperature at a particular speed. Or, able to run a particular speed at a lower voltage (ah, & that translates to lower temp too....)

Either way, it's a fun card closed FAR, FAR above any old stock 675Mhz 460 card...... for very little premium.


Ah, and the cooler rocks too.....


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March 17, 2011 12:28:25 AM

jb6684 said:
Yes. MSI grades and sorts their parts. The Hawk Talon Attach has exactly the same parts, they just tested slightly better. Like, lower temperature at a particular speed. Or, able to run a particular speed at a lower voltage (ah, & that translates to lower temp too....)

Either way, it's a fun card closed FAR, FAR above any old stock 675Mhz 460 card...... for very little premium.


Ah, and the cooler rocks too.....

yeah you can oc it to a 470!!!
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March 17, 2011 5:12:00 PM

My budget has increased to about $250 so now I'm wondering if I should get a Geforce GTX 560 Ti or a 2gb Radeon 6950. I've been reading up on both, and I feel either one is good, but I'm unsure if they will fit in my motherboard/case. My mobo is 9.6" x 9.6" and my case's length is 16.29" and most 6950's are 10" or larger. The hard drives are placed closely to my mobo but it seems only the sata cables may hinder the 6950 from fitting. So is the 6950 not an option for me, because I'm more inclined for it since it has eyenfinity? (I know the Geforce 560s are smaller)
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a c 620 U Graphics card
March 17, 2011 5:28:15 PM

The reference 6950 is 10.6 inches, some custom models are over 11 inches long.
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March 17, 2011 5:39:21 PM

17seconds said:
The reference 6950 is 10.6 inches, some custom models are over 11 inches long.


Where can I find the reference design? I can only find custom ones on newegg.
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a c 620 U Graphics card
March 17, 2011 5:53:04 PM

Reacxtion said:
Where can I find the reference design? I can only find custom ones on newegg.

The reference designs will look like this, with a blower type fan off to the side:

The non-reference will have the fan in the middle or dual fans, etc.
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March 17, 2011 5:56:08 PM

Ok thank you. I'll keep looking for the smallest dimensions.
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a c 620 U Graphics card
March 17, 2011 5:59:59 PM

If the 6950 won't fit, a factory overclocked GTX 560 will be faster than a reference 6950.
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March 17, 2011 6:15:53 PM

17seconds said:
If the 6950 won't fit, a factory overclocked GTX 560 will be faster than a reference 6950.


True for 1gb version
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a c 620 U Graphics card
March 17, 2011 7:11:17 PM

mdsiu said:
True for 1gb version

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March 17, 2011 11:38:53 PM

The 560tI is a dual slot card. If you get it get the 2gb version from palit
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March 18, 2011 2:34:42 AM

Liu kang baking a pie said:
The 560tI is a dual slot card. If you get it get the 2gb version from palit


What does dual slot mean? Also, is Palit a trustworthy brand, because I was going to order the MSI 560 ti, it says it supports triple screen gaming but I only plan to use triple screens for work and increasing productivity (Only one 1920x1080 monitor will be used for gaming). Will it still work for that?

Edit: Currently reading "Five Overclocked GeForce GTX 560 Ti Cards, Compared"
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a b U Graphics card
March 18, 2011 3:10:09 AM



The graph mdsiu presented is very representative of the best value you will find... The 560 Ti or a 6970. But, you must take into consideration the fact that a 6950 2GB can be flashed to fully functioning 6970 with no side effects, so, in other words you can pay for a 6950 and have a 6970. Just thought I'd throw that out there considering the 560 Ti AMP! and the 6950 2GB are about the same price. If you're worried about the flash process, it's rather simple and you can find it on youtube. Personally I recommend AMD's cards over Nvidia's, I've owned both (each has their perks) and generally I prefer the Radeons at this point in time.
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March 18, 2011 3:41:41 AM

bigman8291 said:
The graph mdsiu presented is very representative of the best value you will find... The 560 Ti or a 6970. But, you must take into consideration the fact that a 6950 2GB can be flashed to fully functioning 6970 with no side effects, so, in other words you can pay for a 6950 and have a 6970. Just thought I'd throw that out there considering the 560 Ti AMP! and the 6950 2GB are about the same price. If you're worried about the flash process, it's rather simple and you can find it on youtube. Personally I recommend AMD's cards over Nvidia's, I've owned both (each has their perks) and generally I prefer the Radeons at this point in time.


I want the 6950 but I'm limited by space (hard drive blocks my path). I measured if I have enough space to buy a 10.6" reference design 6950 (used a ruler) and I just barely fit the card in. I probably have about a 1 mm clearance, yikes. Will this cause problems in the long run? Or is there a way to move the hard drive slightly forward because I have room in front of where my hard drive is attached.

Edit 1: Just found out I can move my hard drive. Now I just have to check the width of the card.

Edit 2: Found some 6950's smaller than the reference design which fit in my case.
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March 19, 2011 12:45:27 AM

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a c 272 U Graphics card
March 19, 2011 2:37:46 PM

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