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SLI 1Gb Gtx460 Hawk Talon or Radeon 6950 Flashed to 6970

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March 17, 2011 3:14:51 AM

I have an Asus M4N98TD EVO mobo and want to upgrade video cards. I am wondering if any one is running a single ati card on this mobo. Also if I would be better off running sli gtx460 hawk talons oc'd or a single 6950 flashed to 6970, I mainly use my pc as a htpc. So I am hinking gtx460 since they are the only gtx cards that do true master hd audio.
a c 214 U Graphics card
March 17, 2011 5:09:37 AM

Here's a review...
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/radeon-hd-6970-rade...

The GTX460 SLI waaay outperforms a single 6950 or even a 6970.To answer your question i would suggest going the the GTX460 SLI over a single 6950>6970.

But you could always buy a single 6950 now and then when you have the money buy another one for crossfire.The 6950 crossfire will outperform almost any card.

Whats your full system specs?Lets make sure you have a good enough system and good enough power supply either setup.
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March 17, 2011 5:45:40 AM

Thats with the 10.10 drivers. 11.1a and 11.2 drivers are much more optimized than the 10.x drivers. I'd like to see reviews of SLI GTX 460 vs 6970 with the new drivers. I'm sure it'll be neck-and-neck in benchmarks.
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a c 214 U Graphics card
March 17, 2011 5:50:01 AM

It's a 20FPS gain over the 6970.You think the drivers would make that much of an improvement?Usually updates only give around 5% increase.20FPS is a pretty large gap if you think about it.
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March 17, 2011 6:14:51 AM

You're right lol. Although I'm sure the 6970 handles games like Metro 2033 much better. I wish Tom's Hardware did the review with highest settings to see what would be able to handle it better but whatever. After 60 fps i really don't care what I get. The 6970 beat it in 1920x1080 (res I play in) but it was on medium settings.

What really matters to me is which card/cards are able to handle the most graphic intensive games that many cards can't handle because those are usually the games I play (Crysis, Dragon Age 2, Crysis 2, Shogun Total War, Metro 2033, etc). Metro 2033 today is what Crysis was 3 years ago.
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March 17, 2011 4:44:10 PM

my build is a 965 be, ultra x 850w psu, m4a88td mobo, 4gb of gskillz ddr3, and currently sli gts250 which im not happy with.
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a c 125 U Graphics card
March 17, 2011 5:04:31 PM

460 SLI is better right now for sure. 6950 has more potential once you have another $300 to CF them lol.
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March 17, 2011 5:08:34 PM

so now my question is sli gtx460 zotac amp! or sli gtx460 hawk talon attack
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a b U Graphics card
March 17, 2011 5:11:59 PM

i'd recomend hawk more cause it has better cooler imo...
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a c 599 U Graphics card
March 17, 2011 5:15:40 PM

SLI the GTX 460's. Those Talon Attack models are very good with high overclocks. Two of them will be a good match for your resolution, and they will easily outperform any single AMD card, while also being in the same league as the GTX 580.
http://www.hardocp.com/article/2010/12/02/geforce_gtx_5...
"If you are on a budget, and want to get into the NV Surround and/or SLI game, there is no questioning that GeForce GTX 460 1GB SLI is the best value. It provides high framerates and incredible SLI scaling. We are continued to be impressed by GeForce GTX 460 1GB SLI."

Today's Tom's Hardware article clearly shows that new drivers only produce marginal improvements over the previous release, and sometimes they can even reduce performance.
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/amd-catalyst-driver...
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a c 599 U Graphics card
March 17, 2011 5:19:38 PM

Oh, the Hawk Talon Attack, without a doubt. The AMP! card is good, but the fan noise is much higher than most GTX 460's. Two in SLI would not be a good choice. Contrary to popular belief, the Twin Frozr fans are not the quietest either, but still quieter than the Zotac AMP!.

If you have some options, there are quieter and yet still very high-performing GTX 460's out there. I recommend you also check out the Gigabyte GTX 460 SuperOverclock (SOC), which has a very quiet cooler, and a factory overclock just over that of the Hawk Talon Attack.
http://www.guru3d.com/article/gigabyte-geforce-gtx-460-...
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a c 214 U Graphics card
March 17, 2011 6:06:15 PM

Yes definitly get the Hawk Talon Attack.Their custom heatsinks make for superior O.C.ing.Can probably take it higher than any others with the Hawk.

Still,IMO,going with a sinlge 6950 now and getting another when you have the money is well worth it.Much more futureproof.Espically if your going for a dual GPU setup.You want it to last as long as possible.I'm sure by the time you have the cash to buy another one the prices will have dropped.Although it's just my personal opinoin.The GTX460 SLI is still a very good combo.
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a c 271 U Graphics card
March 17, 2011 6:32:42 PM

purple stank said:
Yes definitly get the Hawk Talon Attack.Their custom heatsinks make for superior O.C.ing.Can probably take it higher than any others with the Hawk.

Still,IMO,going with a sinlge 6950 now and getting another when you have the money is well worth it.Much more futureproof.Espically if your going for a dual GPU setup.You want it to last as long as possible.I'm sure by the time you have the cash to buy another one the prices will have dropped.Although it's just my personal opinoin.The GTX460 SLI is still a very good combo.

Do you really think that the OP is going to mess about with the hacks required to get Crossfire running on their current motherboard?
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a c 125 U Graphics card
March 17, 2011 6:38:06 PM

Mousemonkey said:
Do you really think that the OP is going to mess about with the hacks required to get Crossfire running on their current motherboard?


What do you mean by that? :heink: 
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a c 271 U Graphics card
March 17, 2011 6:43:06 PM

wolfram23 said:
What do you mean by that? :heink: 

The OP has a 980i SLi motherboard according to the first post and purple stank suggested getting a single 6950 now and another one later, or did you miss that bit?
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a c 271 U Graphics card
March 17, 2011 6:45:36 PM

purple stank said:
Didn't realize it was a SLI mobo.Won't that still work with AMD still?
Didn't even look up the mobo just figured it was fully capable of either AMD or Nvidia.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Only Intel boards can do that at the moment, it seems AMD/ATi want to stay proprietary as far as multi GPU setups go which is quite ironic considering the moaning about PhysX and 3D.
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March 17, 2011 6:46:45 PM

SLI 460 1gb
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a c 125 U Graphics card
March 17, 2011 6:51:11 PM

Mousemonkey said:
The OP has a 980i SLi motherboard according to the first post and purple stank suggested getting a single 6950 now and another one later, or did you miss that bit?


I just don't understand why it wouldn't be able to do crossfire. I was under the impression all boards can do crossfire and only SLI certified boards can do SLI (needs some extra hardware on board).

Unless you mean only Intel chipsets can do both? Because my Asus P55 board is CF and SLI certified. But I guess this guy's board is an Nvidia chipset? So no CF? That's news to me.
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a c 271 U Graphics card
March 17, 2011 6:55:38 PM

wolfram23 said:
I just don't understand why it wouldn't be able to do crossfire. I was under the impression all boards can do crossfire and only SLI certified boards can do SLI (needs some extra hardware on board).

Unless you mean only Intel chipsets can do both? Because my Asus P55 board is CF and SLI certified. But I guess this guy's board is an Nvidia chipset? So no CF? That's news to me.

The 980i chipset is an Nvidia chipset so a hack would be needed, it's only in very recent times that Intel chipsets have been able to do both SLi and Crossfire with the X58 being the first and that was only from a couple of years ago, before that they were Crossfire only.
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a c 214 U Graphics card
March 17, 2011 7:51:03 PM

Would you see any performance boost using Nvidia cards with the 980i chip vs a regular sli mobo?
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a c 271 U Graphics card
March 17, 2011 7:55:04 PM

purple stank said:
Would you see any performance boost using Nvidia cards with the 980i chip vs a regular sli mobo?

What do you mean 'regular' SLi board? The 980i board is a regular SLi board just as the 790i, 780i, 680i, 650i and the ones before that were.
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a c 214 U Graphics card
March 18, 2011 1:05:40 AM

Not familar with Nvidia.I figured since the board was desinged to only run Nvidia cards i thought it would give it some sort of performance boost compared to a regular mobo that doesn't specify Nvidia or ATI and can run both.
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a c 271 U Graphics card
March 18, 2011 12:28:22 PM

purple stank said:
Not familar with Nvidia.I figured since the board was desinged to only run Nvidia cards i thought it would give it some sort of performance boost compared to a regular mobo that doesn't specify Nvidia or ATI and can run both.

It doesn't and never has worked that way, a single ATi card can be used on an motherboard with an Nvidia chipset and will perform just the same as if it were on a board with an Intel or AMD chipset it's only when multiple cards are used that it becomes important to know what the chipset is capable of.
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March 19, 2011 2:19:04 PM

So I ordered two MSI GTX460 HAWK TALONS yesterday. Can't wait to install them.
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a c 214 U Graphics card
March 19, 2011 3:09:22 PM

Yes,i would too.

Goodluck with that.Report back after you get them installed and running.
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