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May 28, 2011 1:25:18 AM

Approximate Purchase Date: Within the next few weeks

Budget Range: Looking to spend approx. $1000 after rebates.

System Usage from Most to Least Important: Gaming (online and offline if that matters), movies, internet, photoshop hobbyist.

Parts Not Required: keyboard, mouse, monitor, speakers, OS, GPU

Preferred Website(s) for Parts: Newegg

Country of Origin: U.S.

Parts Preferences: All parts compatible to run 2xGTX 460s SLI

Overclocking: Probably not

SLI or Crossfire: SLI

Monitor Resolution: 1920x1200


Additional Comments: It is very important that this PC have a lot of options to upgrade in the future. I'm building specifically so I can upgrade parts as I need to rather than buying a brand new PC every 3-4 years.

Looking for thoughts on Tecmo34's gaming enthusiast build(http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/269162-31-recommended-builds-usage):

Enthusiast: $1,317.89 Update MOBO, GPU, PSU & Case


•CPU: Intel Core i5-2500K Sandy Bridge 3.3GHz (3.7GHz Turbo Boost) 4 x 256KB L2 Cache 6MB L3 Cache LGA 1155 95W Quad-Core Desktop Processor BX80623I52500K

•MOBO: ASRock P67 EXTREME4 (B3) LGA 1155 Intel P67 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard

•RAM:G.SKILL Sniper Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1866 (PC3 14900) Desktop Memory Model F3-14900CL9D-8GBSR

•HSF: Cooler Master Hyper 212 Plus 120mm Sleeve CPU Cooler, RR-B10-212P-G1

•HDD: SAMSUNG Spinpoint F3 HD103SJ 1TB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive

•PSU: XFX Core Edition PRO750W (P1-750S-NLB9) 750W ATX12V 2.2 & ESP12V 2.91 SLI Ready CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS BRONZE Certified Active PFC Power Supply

•GPU: Have a GTX 460, in the futher will purchase a 2nd for SLI.

•DVD: SAMSUNG DVD Burner Black SATA Model SH-S223L LightScribe Support - OEM

•Case: CCOOLER MASTER RC-692-KKN2 CM690 II Advanced Black Steel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case

•Thermal Compound: MASSCOOL G751 Shin-Etsu Thermal Interface Material


EDIT: Updated processor, motherboard, RAM, and case with the wonderful help from Striker410.
EDIT 2: Updated RAM, PSU, TIM with the great help from JackNaylorPE and Striker410.

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May 28, 2011 1:32:46 AM

Looks good. The big issue is you are going AMD. Right now, AMD is not a good idea because Sandy Bridge processors absolutely smoke all AMD has to offer. Here's a benchy of the 1090t vs 2500k, the best you can get for gaming IMO. http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/288?vs=146
As you can see, the 2500k is the clear winner. With that in mind, I suggest switching to the P67 platform.

And no, you do not need Win7 pro to use 8GB of ram. Windows 7 home premium OEM ($99) is just fine.

Also, the HAF 932 is a MASSIVE case. Do you really need that? Look at the HAF 922, it's a bit smaller and better for your rig IMO.
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May 28, 2011 2:08:01 AM

Thank you for your help Striker!

Tecmo had another build w/ the i7. I just didn't know if it worked w/ Nvidia graphics cards. I will edit my initial post to include the i5 processor (Using the link you provided it didn't appear the i7 wasn't worth the $100+ upgrade over the i5).

Question for you. I looked up the P67 and there were multiple brands and prices. Do you have any recommendations for a specific one. I know there are guides explaining what to look for in motherboards but, honestly, that was over my head.
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May 28, 2011 2:18:06 AM

No problem!
Here's the processor I was talking about: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

As for the motherboard, you have 3 main options.

ASRock Extreme4:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... $160

GIGABYTE GA-P67X-UD3: $155
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

ASUS P8P67PRO B3: $180
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Any of the motherboards will work, it's really personal preference.

And for ram, you may need slightly different stuff since you need 1.5v for LGA 1155. This is very good ram: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

And that pretty much finishes it up! all the mobo's I've listed are SLI capable, so no worries. Hope that helps!
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May 28, 2011 2:50:10 AM

Thank you again for the help. I was very worried I wouldn't be able to do this correctly even after looking at several sites. I then stumbled on to this site in one of my searches and you have been more help than I could have imagined, Tom's Hardware needs to pay you some $$$ for the help!

My last question, I think, is: will cooling be an issue with this setup? If I add another GTX 460 GPU will I need to purchase better fans?
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May 28, 2011 3:03:12 AM

No problem.

Nowadays, cases are very good at cooling. The HAF series is short for High Air Flow. This actually holds true, the HAF cases are very well ventilated. With a HAF 922 or 932, you will have MORE than enough cooling.

I will add that you need to keep an eye out for certain GPU's. NVidia doesn't make it easy on us consumers lol. There are 3 GTX 460 variants. the 460 768MB, the 460 1GB, and the 460 1GB SE. All are very different.
Make sure to note your current GPU and try to match it exactly.

EDIT: I notice you listed the Hyper N CPU cooler. This is currently out of stock at newegg. Might I suggest a better cooler? The Hyper 212+ Is a real "fan" favorite around here. http://www.amazon.com/Cooler-Master-Hyper-Sleeve-RR-B10...

I now send you out! Check this guide out, it's very detailed on how to assemble a PC. http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/274745-31-step-step-g...

And most importantly. HAVE FUN!
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May 28, 2011 3:19:49 AM

MoBo - Have to say I'm not comfy w/ Asrock's short warranty periods ... 2 years on B3, 1 on most everything else.

Cooler - $40 - Scythe SCMG 2100 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
TIM - $5 - Shin Etsu http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

AS5 has curing issues....read bottom of AS5 home page. TOM above has same thermal efficiency, no curing issues. Cooler is among top 5

HX is a great PSU but expensive, look at XFX Black Edition for an equal but less expensive PSU....Core Edition to save some cash.

RAM - Double the RAM for $20
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
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May 28, 2011 3:31:11 AM

^Keep in mind that's after rebates Jack. The hyper 212+ comes with good thermal paste, none needed. Also, not a bad deal on the ram! However, there is this deal which is much better: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... $80 for super fast ram? Hello! Good tip on the PSU for sure though. XFX is probably a better choice.

Here's the PSU Jack mentioned. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... It's made by the same people that make the Corsair, Seasonic.
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May 28, 2011 4:01:39 AM

Updated the RAM, PSU, and TIM. Jack, I looked into the B3 and after reading through the reviews that one worries me, I think they have the longer warranty because of the issues they are having. Thank you both for your expertise.
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May 28, 2011 9:49:50 PM

Best answer selected by mkauz.
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June 5, 2011 2:52:37 AM

Posting from my newly build PC thanks to your guys' help! I will be running some tests found on another thread to make sure everything is working ok.
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June 5, 2011 3:02:07 AM

Alright! Everything is running good? Excellent! Have fun.
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June 5, 2011 3:06:36 AM

Running Prime95 blended test right now. What kind of temps should I be seeing on an i5 for this? Currently all the cores are at about 45 degrees Celsius and haven't moved much from there.
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June 5, 2011 3:27:25 AM

45 when running prime 95 sounds ok.
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