Shutter release for digital camera

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I have notices that all digital camera from top to bottom do not have
provision for cable shutter release is there any reason for the lack of it.
The professional digital camera have remote control but not cable release.
Most film 35mm all have it.

Another question pros and cons of Momopod as against Tripod.
Why many years a go a professional told me to use a momopod to shot trains
yet most people use a tripods while the professional press use momopods.

Thanking you in advance



Keith

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Keith Holley wrote:
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> provision for cable shutter release is there any reason for the lack of it.
> The professional digital camera have remote control but not cable release.
> Most film 35mm all have it.
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> Another question pros and cons of Momopod as against Tripod.
> Why many years a go a professional told me to use a momopod to shot trains
> yet most people use a tripods while the professional press use momopods.
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> Thanking you in advance
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Hi,
Some has remote control.
Tony

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On Mon, 28 Feb 2005 12:55:02 +1100, Keith Holley
<mailman@castlemaine.net> wrote:

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>The professional digital camera have remote control but not cable release.
>Most film 35mm all have it.

Where did you get this information? Older cameras with little or no
electronics (save light meters) almost always did, but more recent
cameras with electronic shutters etc. seemed to have phased them out
often.

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>Another question pros and cons of Momopod as against Tripod.
>Why many years a go a professional told me to use a momopod to shot trains
>yet most people use a tripods while the professional press use momopods.
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"Keith Holley" <mailman@castlemaine.net> wrote in message
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> I have notices that all digital camera from top to bottom do not have
> provision for cable shutter release is there any reason for the lack of
> it.
> The professional digital camera have remote control but not cable release.
> Most film 35mm all have it.
>
> Another question pros and cons of Momopod as against Tripod.
> Why many years a go a professional told me to use a momopod to shot trains
> yet most people use a tripods while the professional press use momopods.
>
> Thanking you in advance
>
I don't know why they did this. Some cameras do have provision for a cable
release, but many don't, and some DSLR's have provisions to lock up the
mirror, but many do not, except to clean the sensor.

Your options are often a wireless remote, that usually costs extra. Use the
timed shutter release, they almost all have this. And a few cameras, like
the D70, will allow the computer to trip the shutter when the camera is
connected to the computer with its USB cable. I can't think of any more,
but it still puzzles me they did away with this feature, especially on some
of the cameras they call "pro" models.

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Keith Holley wrote:

> I have notices that all digital camera from top to bottom do not have
> provision for cable shutter release is there any reason for the lack of it.
> The professional digital camera have remote control but not cable release.
> Most film 35mm all have it.

Most of the older, manual focus SLR cameras have provision for a srew-in
cable release.
It seems that with the introduction of autofocus and lots of electronics
, the camera manufacturers each decided make a proprietary cable release
for their cameras.

> Another question pros and cons of Momopod as against Tripod.
> Why many years a go a professional told me to use a momopod to shot trains
> yet most people use a tripods while the professional press use momopods.

Monopds are realy for when there is limited room and/or limited weight
carrying capacity.
If you have to lug the damn thing around all day and don't plan on
taking any realy long exposures (eg: a daytime event), then a monopod
would be more than adequate for the task.
They are great for stablising long lenses when you may need to move
around quickly and don't want to take up much room.

> Thanking you in advance
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> Keith

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Keith Holley wrote:
> I have notices that all digital camera from top to bottom do not have
> provision for cable shutter release is there any reason for the lack
> of it. The professional digital camera have remote control but not
> cable release. Most film 35mm all have it.
>
> Another question pros and cons of Momopod as against Tripod.
> Why many years a go a professional told me to use a momopod to shot
> trains yet most people use a tripods while the professional press use
> momopods.
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> Thanking you in advance
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> Keith

When digital got to the point serious manufacturers started to make
cameras interesting to serious users, there was a lot of discussion
about that, and lots of solutions. I think manufacturers saw a new
source of revenue. In particular, Nikon offered a $120 timer and remote
for the Coolpix 995. At least one user solved it in his shop, building a
clamp-on bracket that let a conventional cable release pin push the
995's shutter button. There was a Web page with step-by-step
instructions. It may still be out there.

Monopods are cool and handy. You must provide the two missing
stabilizers with parts of your body or other features of the
environment. Some people are good at it, others not so. Practice,
practice, practice.


--
Frank ess

Forecasting is difficult. Particularly about the Future.
-Deepak Gupta

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"Ron Hunter" <rphunter@charter.net> wrote in message
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> Keith Holley wrote:
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>> I have notices that all digital camera from top to bottom do not have
>> provision for cable shutter release is there any reason for the lack of
>> it.
>> The professional digital camera have remote control but not cable
>> release.
>> Most film 35mm all have it. Another question pros and cons of Momopod
>> as against Tripod.
>> Why many years a go a professional told me to use a momopod to shot
>> trains
>> yet most people use a tripods while the professional press use momopods.
>>
>> Thanking you in advance
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> You can pan with a monopod, and you can lean it in various ways, which may
> be a bit difficult with an inexpensive tripod. Obviously, the tripod is
> superior for 'unattended' shots.
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> --
> Ron Hunter rphunter@charter.net

I have three tripods, super short 200mm, , short 350mm. and 135cm for my
5500 and it works great on unnatended shots and also movie shots, never
thought of using a mono

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Keith Holley <mailman@castlemaine.net> writes:

> I have notices that all digital camera from top to bottom do not have
> provision for cable shutter release is there any reason for the lack of it.
> The professional digital camera have remote control but not cable release.
> Most film 35mm all have it.

Many medium/high end digital cameras do have the capability of using a cable
release, though often these are specific to that model, do not come as part of
the standard package, and often are pricy compared to the cable releases of
yore. Some times you also have to buy the vertical grip to get a cable socket
(for example on the Olympus C-8080 and E-300/E-VOLT cameras). For shooting in
a studio, many cameras can be controled by computer via the USB/firewire cable.

> Another question pros and cons of Momopod as against Tripod.
> Why many years a go a professional told me to use a momopod to shot trains
> yet most people use a tripods while the professional press use momopods.

I don't own a monopod, but I would imagine a tripod gives much better
stabalization than a mono-pod, which I've seen figures quoted that it will give
you roughly two stops worth of stabalization. On the other hand, a mono-pod is
much easier to setup, is easier to carry, and doesn't require the floor space
that a tripod would. The later may be important in the press pool situation
where you seem to have all of the photographers crowded together.

--
Michael Meissner
email: mrmnews@the-meissners.org
http://www.the-meissners.org

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"Keith Holley" <mailman@castlemaine.net> wrote in message
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| I have notices that all digital camera from top to bottom do not have
| provision for cable shutter release is there any reason for the lack of
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| The professional digital camera have remote control but not cable release.
| Most film 35mm all have it.


the Sony f717 / f828 do


k

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On Mon, 28 Feb 2005 21:37:26 +0800, "k" <felaffel@PING.com> wrote:

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I looked here: http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/sonydscf828/ I do not
see any mention and the shutter release button has noi threads. Am I
missing something?

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On Sun, 27 Feb 2005 21:49:15 -0500, Bill <bill@c.a> wrote:

>Keith Holley wrote:
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>>I have notices that all digital camera from top to bottom do not have
>>provision for cable shutter release is there any reason for the lack of it.
>>The professional digital camera have remote control but not cable release.
>>Most film 35mm all have it.
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>Actually most, if not all, digital SLR cameras have a cable release of
>some kind. Both of my SLR bodies (digital and 35mm) have it.

Could you be referring to a remote shutter release instead of a
sleeved cable?


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>>Another question pros and cons of Momopod as against Tripod.
>>Why many years a go a professional told me to use a momopod to shot trains
>>yet most people use a tripods while the professional press use momopods.
>
>A monopod is usually just for weight support of a large lense - it gets
>tiresome holding a 5-10 pound lense.
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>A tripod is used for complete stability and isolation from camera shake,
>often for long exposures.

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ZONED! wrote:

>>Actually most, if not all, digital SLR cameras have a cable release of
>>some kind. Both of my SLR bodies (digital and 35mm) have it.
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>Could you be referring to a remote shutter release instead of a
>sleeved cable?

Yes, but as far as I'm concerned, they are the same since they perform
the same function. The only difference is the newer releases are
electronic instead of mechanical.

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On Mon, 28 Feb 2005 12:53:29 -0500, Bill <bill@c.a> wrote:

>ZONED! wrote:
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>>>Actually most, if not all, digital SLR cameras have a cable release of
>>>some kind. Both of my SLR bodies (digital and 35mm) have it.
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>>Could you be referring to a remote shutter release instead of a
>>sleeved cable?
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>Yes, but as far as I'm concerned, they are the same since they perform
>the same function. The only difference is the newer releases are
>electronic instead of mechanical.

On my DR, the remote is only seen from the front of the camera; not
the same at all as a cable release.
The remote would need to be RF instead of IR to have the same
functionality as a cable release.

--
Bill Funk
Change "g" to "a"

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"Keith Holley" <mailman@castlemaine.net> wrote in message
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> I have notices that all digital camera from top to bottom do not have
> provision for cable shutter release is there any reason for the lack of
it.
> The professional digital camera have remote control but not cable release.
> Most film 35mm all have it.
>
> Another question pros and cons of Momopod as against Tripod.
> Why many years a go a professional told me to use a momopod to shot trains
> yet most people use a tripods while the professional press use momopods.
>
> Thanking you in advance
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> Keith

Canon 300D can use a cable or IR remote...I built my own cable remote
(digital) for about 10 bucks, works awesome, use it on a daily basis. I
can't imagine having my camera on a tripod without it..
http://harryphotos.com/shutter.jpg black is auto focus(half press), red is
AF/Shoot (fully pressed). Its not a "manual" cable type, but whats the
difference, I press the button the camera shoots, end of story...if anyone
would like more info on how to build one of these let me know...oh and it
can also be made to have a "lock" just like a manual cable by adding a
toggle switch...

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Hi,

Have you tried using the self-timer as a substitute for a cable release? It
works well for static subjects, although obviously worthless for moving
subjects.

Morton

Keith Holley wrote:

> I have notices that all digital camera from top to bottom do not have
> provision for cable shutter release is there any reason for the lack of it.
> The professional digital camera have remote control but not cable release.
> Most film 35mm all have it.
>
> Another question pros and cons of Momopod as against Tripod.
> Why many years a go a professional told me to use a momopod to shot trains
> yet most people use a tripods while the professional press use momopods.
>
> Thanking you in advance
>
> Keith

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> "ZONED!" <no_email@please_post.net> wrote in message
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>> On Mon, 28 Feb 2005 02:09:35 GMT, "werdan"
>> <footrotdog@that.gmail.fad.com> wrote:
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>>>"Keith Holley" <mailman@castlemaine.net> wrote in message
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>>>> I have notices that all digital camera from top to bottom do not have
>>>> provision for cable shutter release is there any reason for the lack of
>>>> it.
>>>> The professional digital camera have remote control but not cable
>>>> release.
>>>> Most film 35mm all have it.
>>>
>>>My Minolta 7D has one. It's a special Minolta one
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>> I read the OP ref to cable as an old fashioned sleeved cable device
>> not the electronic buttons like
>> http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/co [...] 041&is=REG
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> Struth. It's still a cable release. It even has a lock.
>
> Is the battery not a battery because it doesn't consist of a steel knife,
> a tin plate and a frog's leg?


Well yes because that would be a cell! ;-D

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"Keith Holley" <mailman@castlemaine.net> wrote in message
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> I have notices that all digital camera from top to bottom do not have
> provision for cable shutter release is there any reason for the lack of
> it.
> The professional digital camera have remote control but not cable release.
> Most film 35mm all have it.

Several Minolta digital cameras have a connector for Minolta's electronic
cable release, which is a very nice item if a little pricey compared to the
old-fashioned mechanical types. The now-discontinued S304, S404 and S414
cameras all had it, and those were just consumer-level cameras. All the
DiMAGE 7 series cameras (5, 7, 7i and 7Hi) had it, and I'm sure the current
A1, A2 and A200 cameras do also.

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"Pete D" <no@email.com> wrote in message
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>>> I read the OP ref to cable as an old fashioned sleeved cable device
>>> not the electronic buttons like
>>> http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/co [...] 041&is=REG
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>> Struth. It's still a cable release. It even has a lock.
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>> Is the battery not a battery because it doesn't consist of a steel knife,
>> a tin plate and a frog's leg?
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> Well yes because that would be a cell! ;-D
>

That's it! All these camera's these days only seem to take those new fangled
Lithium Ion things.

Now does anyone know where to get some magnesium powder? I need to recharge
my flash gun. ;-)

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Some (maybe many?) cameras have a 'hidden' mode where they can be
controllled by computer, even though the manufacturer may not tell
you..

Eg, I was rather delighted to discover that my Oly C8080 can be driven
by a computer, with this:

http://sabsik.com/Cam2Com

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>>Some (maybe many?) cameras have a 'hidden' mode where they can be
>>controllled by computer, even though the manufacturer may not tell
>>you..
Another interesting feature of Olympus. When I got hold of the SDK
(Software Developer's Kit) for my Olympus I found there were extra features
in there which were not available via the camera's controls.

Keith

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> > Canon 300D can use a cable or IR remote...I built my own cable remote
> > (digital) for about 10 bucks, works awesome, use it on a daily basis. I
> > can't imagine having my camera on a tripod without it..
> > http://harryphotos.com/shutter.jpg black is auto focus(half press), red is
> > AF/Shoot (fully pressed). Its not a "manual" cable type, but whats the
> > difference, I press the button the camera shoots, end of story...if anyone
> > would like more info on how to build one of these let me know...oh and it
> > can also be made to have a "lock" just like a manual cable by adding a
> > toggle switch...
>
> Oh there is also a way to make one out of a cellphone headset with a
> microphone button but its just as easy to make one from scratch...

I built a remote out of a computer mouse for my 300D.
Very simple, requires a 2.5 mm stereo plug for the camera.
Open up the mouse remove the ball, cut any circuit tracks from the microswitches to
any other components and wire the lead to the switches.
Wire the plug tip to one microswitch, the plug ring to other microswitch. The plug
sleeve is common for both switches.
A bit of Liquid Nails (lovely stuff) to anchor the lead and hold the ball cover in
place.
Result, one mouse button focuses the other focuses and trips the shutter.
Cost, one old usb mouse, a metre of two core shielded cable (or three core) and a
2.5mm stereo plug.

Peter Resch

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"Keith Sheppard" <keith.sheppard@tesco.net> writes:

> >>I have notices that all digital camera from top to bottom do not have
> >>provision for cable shutter release is there any reason for the lack of
> it.
>
> My trusty Oly C2100UZ has infra red remote control - even better than cable
> release. This is just one of the many reasons I fear for the day that it
> dies and I have to buy a different make/model. There are so many good
> things about the C2100 that just don't seem to be available elsewhere (at
> least, not all on the same camera) that I am sure I will find something
> missing when I have to move on.

Actually no, I beg to differ about the infra red remote control being better
than a cable release. I have the C-2100UZ, D-40Z, and E-1 that all use the
RM-1 infra-red controller, and I also have the RM-CB1 remote cable release for
the E-1. While I haven't done that many tripod shots since getting the E-1,
the cable release seems preferable if you have a choice for normal tripod shots
since it fires immediately when you press the button rather than having a 2-10
second delay. I also find it annoying when I'm away from the camera to line up
the sensor to fire the camera.

On the other hand, for self portraits, particularly in groups, the RM-1 is
probably better, though I've had problems with the range of the IR device, and
often times use the delayed timer instead. The D-40Z has a neat feature that
Olympus added for that model but seems to have dropped since then, namely
having a second sensor in the back of the camera so that you can fire the
camera without having to put the RM-1 in front of the camera.

One feature that the Olympus cable release has is a lock function for bulb
settings (though of course the C-2100UZ doesn't have a bulb setting).
Presumably, if they cared to, Olympus could make the RM-1 a toggle, but I don't
believe they do.

--
Michael Meissner
email: mrmnews@the-meissners.org
http://www.the-meissners.org

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Big Bill wrote:

>>To me and most SLR users I know, a "remote shutter release" is not a
>>wireless/IR release. Some people use the word "remote" to mean wireless,
>>but it means separate from the main shutter release.
>
>I'm working on the premise that the subject here is *D*SLRs. We
>already know about remotes for film SLRs.

Yup...same here.

>>To be a wireless version, you need to add "wireless" to the description,
>>hence the confusion.
>
>No confusion here; a DR is a Digital Rebel, and thus a DSLR.
>The point being, few DSLRs have a wired remote shutter release; the
>vast majority of them use IR/RF remotes.
>>

Uhh...no. Other brands maybe, but not Canon.

The Digital Rebel has the option for a wired remote shutter release
(RS-60E3).

So does the new XT, 10D, 20D, 1D, even the older D30 and D60. In other
words, every digital SLR Canon makes, there is a wired shutter release
available directly from Canon.

Most of the line also offers an adaptor to convert the older mechanical
cable release into the newer electronic version.

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I suspect that the confusion about the word "remote" stems from the use of the word
for a TV, VCR etc IR remote controller which most people have in their homes.
Most would assume it means a "wireless" remote controller (but not necessarily by
radio though it could be).
I agree "You gotta love the English language."
Peter Resch.

"Owamanga" <nomail@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> On Tue, 01 Mar 2005 00:29:28 -0500, Bill <bill@c.a> wrote:
>
> >Big Bill wrote:
> >
> >>>>>Actually most, if not all, digital SLR cameras have a cable release of
> >>>>>some kind. Both of my SLR bodies (digital and 35mm) have it.
> >>>>
> >>>>Could you be referring to a remote shutter release instead of a
> >>>>sleeved cable?
> >>>
> >>>Yes, but as far as I'm concerned, they are the same since they perform
> >>>the same function. The only difference is the newer releases are
> >>>electronic instead of mechanical.
> >>
> >>On my DR, the remote is only seen from the front of the camera; not
> >>the same at all as a cable release.
> >
> >To me and most SLR users I know, a "remote shutter release" is not a
> >wireless/IR release. Some people use the word "remote" to mean wireless,
> >but it means separate from the main shutter release.
>
> You gotta love the English language.
>
> Remote:
> Operating or controlled from a distance.
>
> Wireless fits the description just as well as a cable release does.
>
> >To be a wireless version, you need to add "wireless" to the description,
> >hence the confusion.
>
> Does that really help? How many non-wireless remote triggers have
> wires? The vast majority use cables or other mechanical linkages, so
> are also technically wireless.
>
> My issue with 'wireless' remotes, is no matter how much I try to
> half-depress the button to get a pre-focus from the AF, or perform an
> exposure lock I just can't get it to work.
>
> <g>
>
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> Owamanga!

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<chrlz@go.com> wrote in message
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| No, you're not missing anything. I've owned/used both. They have a
| proprietary Sony accessory plug that takes an optional controller.
|


ah, the guy meant 'mechanical' cable release.

my mistake. electronic cable releases have been around for so long now..