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May 31, 2011 3:18:45 PM

Approximate Purchase Date: (e.g.: this week (the closer the better)) Not really sure to be honest. Within the next 2 months for sure though, I don't want to buy something good and then next week they release the all new OMG part, but that will always happen I guess.


Budget Range: (e.g.: 600-800) Before / After Rebates: I don't care about rebates really. So around 1K-1200(U.S)


System Usage from Most to Least Important: (e.g.: Folding@Home, gaming, surfing the internet, watching movies): Gaming Gaming Gaming(I'd imagine I'd be able to surf the internet easily with a good gaming machine ;)  )


Parts Not Required: (e.g.: keyboard, mouse, monitor, speakers, OS) **Include Power Supply Make & Model If Re-using**:o kay so I already have a case/power supply I may use, but I don't like re-using things to be honest. One of my friends is telling me to just re-use my case and PSU though so.....blah(I want to keep my keyboard, mouse, monitor, headphones though) Will discuss case, PSU later


Preferred Website(s) for Parts: (e.g.: newegg.com, ncix.com -- to show us selection & pricing): Wherever is cheaper, I usually use Newegg or TigerDirect


Country of Origin: (e.g.: Grand Fenwick):: ???I live in the U.S?


Parts Preferences: by brand or type (e.g.: I would like to use an AMD CPU & Biostar mobo with a 24" LCD and full tower case)I definitely want a Intel board, and a Nvidia card I'd say.


Overclocking: Yes / No / Maybe: Yes


SLI or Crossfire: Yes / No / Maybe: Possibly later on, not now though.


Monitor Resolution: (e.g.: 1024x768, 1280x1024, 1440x900, 1600x1200, 1680x1050, 1920x1080, 1920x1200):: Current monitor is 23'' widescreen 1680x1050, not really sure if I should get a new one or not


Additional Comments: (e.g.: Need to have a window and lots of bling, I would like a quiet PC): Semi Quiet would be okay, my current computer is pretty quiet. If I could get spinners on the fans though that would be great. (JK JK!)


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Include a list of any parts you have already selected with descriptively labeled links for parts.

Okay the parts I already have are(PSU,Case---Not sure whether to replace or not, I kind of want to but if I can save money.....Idk:(  )
Antec Nine Hundred Black Steel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case, and my PSU from my old computer I could use PC Power and Cooling S61EPS 610W Continuous @ 40°C EPS12V SLI Certified CrossFire Ready

Case: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
PSU: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

So the parts that I've been considering are:::

MOBO (MSI P67A-GD53) http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

GPU (MSI N560GTX-TI Twin Frozr II/OC GeForce GTX 560 Ti) http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

CPU (i5 2500K 3.3GHZ) http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Ram (CORSAIR Vengeance 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600) http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

HDD (SAMSUNG Spinpoint F3 HD103SJ 1TB 7200 RPM) http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

OS (Win 7 Home Premium OEM 64bit) http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Heatsink (Thermaltake Frio Overclocking-Ready Intel Core i7 (six-core ready) & i5 Compatible) http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

So yeah, any advice would be fantastic. Thank you so much in advance!

Basically I just want to murder most MMO's as far as FPS goes, not sure how I can accomplish this. I do pretty good at the moment but it's no murder haha.
Current setup is Q6600, Nvidia 8800 512, G.SKILL 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) , Seagate Barracuda 7200RPM 250GB, Vista 64bit, and a Gigabyte GA-P35-DS3L

Thanks again!

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May 31, 2011 3:42:16 PM

Overall you have selected the things that will give you the best performance in a MMO environment. The Intel® Core™ i5-2500K is about the best processors value you can your hands on. The MSI P67 board that you have selected will go well with the Intel Core i5-2500K. About the only change I can see that might help you in your build is to add an SSD to increase your boot and access times. So when you zone in to an instance you will load the instance quicker.

Christian Wood
Intel Enthusiast Team
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May 31, 2011 3:56:57 PM

cpu cooler- http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... need thermal paste i think get arctic silver 5 at amazon for 6.50$.

get the asrock p67 extreme4 at amazon it is about the same price (2$ more) because no shipping costs at amazon

get this gpu (cheaper and clocked higher)- http://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/B004XUCCRM/ref=s...

case is good need new psu get this one- http://www.amazon.com/Corsair-Enthusiast-Certified-comp...

the hdd is cheaper at amazon
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May 31, 2011 4:03:43 PM

@IntelEnthusiast---I was thinking of getting a SSD, but they are like 200 bucks most of the time, I guess I'd have the OS+a few games on it, so would a 64GB SSD be good enough or? What would you suggest

@Mjmjpfaff----me being a dumbo, could you tell me why the Asrock get's so much love? I see tons of people recommending it here

Thanks for the comments guys. Much appreciated!
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May 31, 2011 4:08:43 PM

60 gb ocz agility 3/solid 3 at newegg

the asrock p67 extreme4 is practically a asus p8p67 pro for less. flat out the best bang for your buck
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May 31, 2011 4:35:54 PM

Sweet, thank you:) !

I've seen so much on Ram is the vengeance ram a pretty good type? I have been known to slack on parts in the past, and I want every single part to be good for this computer, if I have to spend a bit more that will have to be so. And is my monitor resolution okay for this setup?

Thanks again!
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May 31, 2011 4:40:41 PM

corsair and gskill both make great ram. the monitor resolution is fine.
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May 31, 2011 4:57:10 PM

alpha0meqa said:
Sweet, thank you:) !

I've seen so much on Ram is the vengeance ram a pretty good type? I have been known to slack on parts in the past, and I want every single part to be good for this computer, if I have to spend a bit more that will have to be so. And is my monitor resolution okay for this setup?

Thanks again!

I have Vengence, and the only concern with it is CPU cooler clearance. It has tall heat spreaders so you have to be careful with really wide coolers.
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May 31, 2011 5:00:45 PM

mjmjpfaff said:
corsair and gskill both make great ram. the monitor resolution is fine.


Great to hear, thanks again!
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May 31, 2011 6:21:57 PM

Sorry to keep being a nuisance but according to this site's guide and reviews.
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/p67-motherboard-rou...

Based on the testing there, the ASUS or gigabyte P67 look to be better? Is this not true?! Or are they better at a slightly increased price?

Edit2: I've also been looking at benchmarks and the 560 ti SOC is supposedly a lot better? Can't I just Overclock the MSI Twin 560Ti and be just as good or no?
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May 31, 2011 7:58:06 PM

go with the evga 560ti i posted an it is easy to oc them just get msi afterburner and unlock to voltage. i think the p67 extreme4 is fine untill you start looking into 5+ghz oc's then you want a gigabyte board or asus board both the gigabyte ud4 and the asus pro are viable options but for the mainstream user i think the extreme4 is the best option. for the ram just put the sticks in the 2 & 4 spost to avoid the cpu cooler
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May 31, 2011 10:09:37 PM

mjmjpfaff said:
go with the evga 560ti i posted an it is easy to oc them just get msi afterburner and unlock to voltage. i think the p67 extreme4 is fine untill you start looking into 5+ghz oc's then you want a gigabyte board or asus board both the gigabyte ud4 and the asus pro are viable options but for the mainstream user i think the extreme4 is the best option. for the ram just put the sticks in the 2 & 4 spost to avoid the cpu cooler


Alrighty, sounds good! Will try and let you guys know how it goes when I decide to take the next step forward.
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a b 4 Gaming
May 31, 2011 10:20:58 PM

alpha0meqa said:
Sweet, thank you:) !

I've seen so much on Ram is the vengeance ram a pretty good type? I have been known to slack on parts in the past, and I want every single part to be good for this computer, if I have to spend a bit more that will have to be so. And is my monitor resolution okay for this setup?

Thanks again!

List of cases I would look at (and make sure you look these cases up on newegg to see the sizes / dimensions). Some of the Antec cases tend to run narrow and are a pain in the arse in regards to fitting a after market cpu cooler. Amazon is free shipping. Also look at USB 3.0 ports, SSD cages, etc... if that's your thing. As of now I don't know of any 3.0 USB devices but who knows if and when they will come out.

http://www.amazon.com/Cooler-Master-Enforcer-Interior-S... $89.99 & this item ships for FREE with Super Saver Shipping
Cooler Master Storm Enforcer USB 3.0 Mid Tower ATX Case with Window and Black Interior (SGC-1000-KWN1)

http://www.amazon.com/Cooler-Master-SGC-2000-KKN1-GP-St... $88.15 & this item ships for FREE with Super Saver Shipping
Cooler Master SGC-2000-KKN1-GP Storm Scout ATX/MATX/ITX Mid Tower Case (Black)

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0026FCI2U/ref=ox_sc_a... $99.99
Cooler Master HAF ATX Mid Tower Case, RC-922M-KKN1-GP (Black)

http://www.amazon.com/Antec-Mid-Tower-Gaming-Hundred-V3... $119.99 & this item ships for FREE with Super Saver Shipping
Antec Mid-Tower Gaming Case Nine Hundred Two V3

http://www.amazon.com/Antec-Nine-Hundred-Steel-Ultimate... $99.99 & this item ships for FREE with Super Saver Shipping
Antec Nine Hundred Steel ATX Ultimate Gamer PC Case (Black)

Now save some more $$ on decent RAM + cpu...

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite... $291.98 FREE SHIPPING
G.SKILL Ripjaws Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model F3-12800CL9D-8GBRL
Intel Core i5-2500K Sandy Bridge 3.3GHz (3.7GHz Turbo Boost) LGA 1155 95W Quad-Core Desktop Processor BX80623I52500K

And a decent mobo that will o/c yet won't break the bank...

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... $154.99 FREE SHIPPING
GIGABYTE GA-P67X-UD3-B3 LGA 1155 Intel P67 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard

cpu cooler (decent thermal paste included)...

http://www.amazon.com/Cooler-Master-Hyper-Sleeve-RR-B10... $29.02 & this item ships for FREE with Super Saver Shipping
Cooler Master Hyper 212 Plus 120mm Sleeve CPU Cooler, RR-B10-212P-G1

and h/d....

http://www.amazon.com/Samsung-Spinpoint-Cache-Desktop-H... $60.93 & this item ships for FREE with Super Saver Shipping
Samsung 1 TB Spinpoint 7200 RPM 32MB Cache SATA 3.5 inch Bulk/OEM Desktop Hard Drive HD103SJ

And a psu to push two of those cards in SLI and leave you plenty of juice left over for o/c, extra drives, fans, etc....

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... $109.99 - $99.99 after mail-in rebate card FREE SHIPPING
CORSAIR Enthusiast Series TX750 V2 750W ATX12V v2.31/ EPS12V v2.92 80 PLUS BRONZE Certified Active PFC High Performance Power Supply



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May 31, 2011 10:49:29 PM

^+1 to that gigabyte board
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June 1, 2011 2:06:07 PM

So the gigabyte board over the Asrock extreme4?

edit: ahhhh so confused, I guess that Extreme board that Jhazou linked is a Tom's Hardware recommended product for 2011 though!
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June 1, 2011 2:17:44 PM

you cant use the extras the z68's come with so it would be a waste of money go with th gigabyte board. are you comfortable using the old type of bios? or the new uefi bios?
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June 1, 2011 2:31:05 PM

mjmjpfaff said:
you cant use the extras the z68's come with so it would be a waste of money go with th gigabyte board. are you comfortable using the old type of bios? or the new uefi bios?


Uhm....Whichever is easier? I'm not that computer literate I guess! Sorry
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June 1, 2011 2:33:25 PM

ok i think you should go with the asrock extreme4 then, it has a very user friendly bios.
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June 1, 2011 2:39:56 PM

I can learn whatever I need to learn if something is better. So if the Gigabyte board is better but harder to figure out I'll do my best to get it working correctly after reading up a lot.

As a side note, no one is getting these 560Ti's from reading other posts, most people are getting 570's or 6950/70 .....so am I screwing myself over here? I almost want to say no budget, just something that isn't a TOTAL waste of money and just flashy. I'll pay for something worth it in other words.

Edit: What's the difference between a Z68 and 67 board?
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June 1, 2011 2:51:08 PM

alpha0meqa said:
I can learn whatever I need to learn if something is better. So if the Gigabyte board is better but harder to figure out I'll do my best to get it working correctly after reading up a lot.

As a side note, no one is getting these 560Ti's from reading other posts, most people are getting 570's or 6950/70 .....so am I screwing myself over here? I almost want to say no budget, just something that isn't a TOTAL waste of money and just flashy. I'll pay for something worth it in other words.

As far as those peeps getting a 570 with a 1920 x 1080 resolution...well I won't say it on here.

It's like this, a decent cooled 560 ti like the MSI ($249) or the Gigabyte ($249) can be o/c to run on par with a stock 570. Now when you figure in the cost and that two 560's mop the floor with a single 580...well do the math. And most peeps that plan on getting a second card later down the road rarely ever do for the fact something better is out by then. But if you looking at a cost of $500 or less for dual 560's then you have a bargain. Those cards are o/c monsters.
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June 1, 2011 2:56:39 PM

Why_Me said:
As far as those peeps getting a 570 with a 1920 x 1080 resolution...well I won't say it on here.

It's like this, a decent cooled 560 ti like the MSI ($249) or the Gigabyte ($249) can be o/c to run on par with a stock 570. Now when you figure in the cost and that two 560's mop the floor with a single 580...well do the math. And most peeps that plan on getting a second card later down the road rarely ever do for the fact something better is out by then. But if you looking at a cost of $500 or less for dual 560's then you have a bargain. Those cards are o/c monsters.


Gotcha gotcha, well the main problem is. I can't run games on my current machine and it was supposed to be among the top machines 3 years ago. Is it impossible to make a machine today and have it still be amazing 2 years from now or something?
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June 2, 2011 4:03:42 PM

Think my post got bumped back too far :o 
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