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Anonymous
September 4, 2004 9:30:03 AM

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Another newbie question, which has probably already been answered in the
list of games listed...

But, these Pokemon games I thought were kiddie stuff... Are they really good
action rpg's????

Thanks!
Anonymous
September 4, 2004 9:30:04 AM

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"Dreams5" <dreams5@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
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> Another newbie question, which has probably already been answered in the
> list of games listed...
>
> But, these Pokemon games I thought were kiddie stuff... Are they really
good
> action rpg's????

They're actually not action RPG's, just the usual turn-based stuff. I
wouldn't call them kiddie stuff, as they have very solid gameplay underneath
the "kiddie" graphics.

If you've never played a Pokemon game before, I'd suggest picking up either
Fire Red or Leaf Green, which come out on the 7th. They're remakes of the
original two American Pokemon games (Red/Blue), with added features to make
them compatible with Ruby/Sapphire. You may become addicted for a while; it
sneaks up on you. The reasons I don't recommend Ruby/Sapphire first are
that:

(1)
I haven't played them, though all the other games combined have taken
literally more than 900 hours out of my life (for a long, long time, the
Pokemon games were the only good RPGs on Nintendo systems). From 1997-2000,
I spent about 600 hours catching all the Pokemon and maxing out the levels
of 45 of them in Blue before my game erased itself. It's quite possible
that I'm insane, or at least that's what the voices tell me.

(2)
After reading about them, it seems like they've piled too many frustrating
stats and things to keep track of. Fire Red/Leaf Green won't make you do
stuff at certain times of the day on certain days of the week, or keep your
Eevee's "cute" and "happy" ratings up so that it evolves the right way.

Enjoy!

//mike tyndall
Anonymous
September 4, 2004 9:30:05 AM

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Mike Tyndall wrote:
> frustrating stats and things to keep track of. Fire Red/Leaf Green
> won't make you do stuff at certain times of the day on certain days
> of the week, or keep your Eevee's "cute" and "happy" ratings up so
> that it evolves the right way.

R/S doesn't have the day/night thing either.

But to answer the original question, I remember a few years ago I knew
absolutely nothing about what Pokemon was, so I decided to buy Crystal and
give it a try. I became so hooked on that game I couldn't believe it. The
big 'kiddie' image comes from the cartoon and toys and stuff like that,
because the game is a very solid and very deep experience, with lots of
stats and math to learn if you want to. Otherwise you can just play through
it happily. :)  But it certainly isn't a kid's game, I'd say. You should
try either Ruby/Sapphire or Fire Red/Leaf Green. I never played Red/Blue, so
I can't really recommend FR/LG, which are remakes of them, but I'm sure they
are a good starting point, since that's where the franchise actually *did*
start.
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Anonymous
September 4, 2004 9:30:06 AM

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"John Salerno" <johnjsal@NOSPAMrcn.com> wrote in message
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> Mike Tyndall wrote:
> > frustrating stats and things to keep track of. Fire Red/Leaf Green
> > won't make you do stuff at certain times of the day on certain days
> > of the week, or keep your Eevee's "cute" and "happy" ratings up so
> > that it evolves the right way.
>
> R/S doesn't have the day/night thing either.

Oh. I didn't expect them to remove that, as it was a big part of
Gold/Silver.

> But to answer the original question, I remember a few years ago I knew
> absolutely nothing about what Pokemon was, so I decided to buy Crystal and
> give it a try. I became so hooked on that game I couldn't believe it. The
> big 'kiddie' image comes from the cartoon and toys and stuff like that,
> because the game is a very solid and very deep experience, with lots of
> stats and math to learn if you want to. Otherwise you can just play
through
> it happily. :)  But it certainly isn't a kid's game, I'd say. You should
> try either Ruby/Sapphire or Fire Red/Leaf Green. I never played Red/Blue,
so
> I can't really recommend FR/LG, which are remakes of them, but I'm sure
they
> are a good starting point, since that's where the franchise actually *did*
> start.

Red/Blue are simpler than the sequels, but they're still fun. Fire Red/Leaf
Green add better graphics/menus, new areas, new battles, two-on-two battles,
and apparently another 10 hours of gameplay to the existing 30-40 (if you
ignore the collecting part of it). Also, the Pokemon learn new attacks now,
and it's possible to trade with Ruby/Sapphire.

BTW, if you got into the series at Crystal, you missed out on Pokemon Snap
for the N64. It's short, but sweet. The idea behind the game is brilliant.

//mike tyndall
Anonymous
September 4, 2004 10:58:03 AM

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> > Another newbie question, which has probably already been answered in the
> > list of games listed...
> >
> > But, these Pokemon games I thought were kiddie stuff... Are they really
> good
> > action rpg's????
>
> They're actually not action RPG's, just the usual turn-based stuff. I
> wouldn't call them kiddie stuff, as they have very solid gameplay
underneath
> the "kiddie" graphics.
>
> If you've never played a Pokemon game before, I'd suggest picking up
either
> Fire Red or Leaf Green, which come out on the 7th. They're remakes of the
> original two American Pokemon games (Red/Blue), with added features to
make
> them compatible with Ruby/Sapphire. You may become addicted for a while;
it
> sneaks up on you. The reasons I don't recommend Ruby/Sapphire first are
> that:
>
> (1)
> I haven't played them, though all the other games combined have taken
> literally more than 900 hours out of my life (for a long, long time, the
> Pokemon games were the only good RPGs on Nintendo systems). From
1997-2000,
> I spent about 600 hours catching all the Pokemon and maxing out the levels
> of 45 of them in Blue before my game erased itself. It's quite possible
> that I'm insane, or at least that's what the voices tell me.
>
> (2)
> After reading about them, it seems like they've piled too many frustrating
> stats and things to keep track of. Fire Red/Leaf Green won't make you do
> stuff at certain times of the day on certain days of the week, or keep
your
> Eevee's "cute" and "happy" ratings up so that it evolves the right way.

900 hours?????? WoW! I thought I was bad with PSO, playing online with my
DreamCast... Yikes. I was upset when I lost one of my saves, but I think I
only had a little over 100 hours in at that time...
I will definitely check out the reviews on these... What are the differences
between the two? Are they totally different games?
Thanks!
Anonymous
September 4, 2004 10:58:04 AM

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"Dreams5" <dreams5@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
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> > > Another newbie question, which has probably already been answered in
the
> > > list of games listed...
> > >
> > > But, these Pokemon games I thought were kiddie stuff... Are they
really
> > good
> > > action rpg's????
> >
> > They're actually not action RPG's, just the usual turn-based stuff. I
> > wouldn't call them kiddie stuff, as they have very solid gameplay
> underneath
> > the "kiddie" graphics.
> >
> > If you've never played a Pokemon game before, I'd suggest picking up
> either
> > Fire Red or Leaf Green, which come out on the 7th. They're remakes of
the
> > original two American Pokemon games (Red/Blue), with added features to
> make
> > them compatible with Ruby/Sapphire. You may become addicted for a
while;
> it
> > sneaks up on you. The reasons I don't recommend Ruby/Sapphire first are
> > that:
> >
> > (1)
> > I haven't played them, though all the other games combined have taken
> > literally more than 900 hours out of my life (for a long, long time, the
> > Pokemon games were the only good RPGs on Nintendo systems). From
> 1997-2000,
> > I spent about 600 hours catching all the Pokemon and maxing out the
levels
> > of 45 of them in Blue before my game erased itself. It's quite possible
> > that I'm insane, or at least that's what the voices tell me.
>
> 900 hours?????? WoW! I thought I was bad with PSO, playing online with my
> DreamCast... Yikes. I was upset when I lost one of my saves, but I think I
> only had a little over 100 hours in at that time...

This is especially incredible when you consider the fact that 900 hours is
about 38 days...

BTW, I was addicted to PSO for a while too (on GameCube). I ended up
spending 100 hours on it completely offline. It was fun (especially once
you start finding those rare red items), but you can only build your levels
for so long. Hmm...maybe I'll go back to it. For some reason it sounds fun
right now.

The Mechgun (and its later iterations) is by far the best weapon, by the
way. It's long-distance and it deals out more damage than a Brand or
anything like that.

> I will definitely check out the reviews on these... What are the
differences
> between the two? Are they totally different games?
> Thanks!

All of the Pokemon games so far have followed the same pattern: two games,
each with a couple of dozen monsters the other doesn't have (thus
encouraging trading), then a third one that adds some feature the other two
don't have. Other than that, the games in each set are pretty much the
same.

//mike tyndall
Anonymous
September 4, 2004 1:20:44 PM

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Just to add my 2 cents. I'm 29. Someone told me Pokemon was the best RPG
on the GBA. I thought that was ridiculous. Pokemon was stupid kids stuff
(thinking of the South Park cartoon where they mock the cartoon and the
marketing of the toys), I thought. Then I tried Pokemon Pinball, since I
was jonesing for some pinball action. Quite fun, I thought, maybe Pokemon
isn't so bad. I gave it a shot and I loved Ruby. It definitely is an RPG.
The story is simple. You definitely are collecting cute little creatures,
but other than that the underlying gameplay is a VERY high quality RPG.
One that wouldn't even be possible, dare I say, without the Pokemon
themselves. They're part of the strategy.

It's very deep, very strong and very worth a look. It is the best
*traditional* (not counting Mario and Luigi, Fire Emblem, FFTA, Tactics
Ogre which I think are all better) RPG on the system IMHO. Better than the
highly touted Golden Sun, which I thought was bland and boring. Pokemon is
fun and fresh.

Preston
Anonymous
September 4, 2004 5:33:43 PM

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Mike Tyndall wrote:
> BTW, if you got into the series at Crystal, you missed out on Pokemon
> Snap for the N64. It's short, but sweet. The idea behind the game
> is brilliant.

I've never tried the Gamecube stuff yet, like Colisseum or any of that. It'd
be nice if they made a real Pokemon game for the GC, like the GB games.
Anonymous
September 4, 2004 5:34:38 PM

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Preston Crawford wrote:
> Better than the highly touted Golden Sun, which I thought was bland
> and boring. Pokemon is fun and fresh.

GS2 is much better, but I agree that Pokemon is one of the best RPGs of all
time.
Anonymous
September 5, 2004 11:11:38 AM

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> GS2 is much better, but I agree that Pokemon is one of the best RPGs of
all
> time.

Great, I will pick up a copy of the new one when it comes out this week!
Thanks, everyone, for all the input!
Anonymous
September 5, 2004 4:28:33 PM

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Dreams5 wrote:
>> GS2 is much better, but I agree that Pokemon is one of the best RPGs
>> of all time.
>
> Great, I will pick up a copy of the new one when it comes out this
> week! Thanks, everyone, for all the input!

P.S. You might want to read a little about how the game works, *if* you are
the type that likes to know all the details going on behind the scenes. Once
I started finding out about stats and all that good stuff, I enjoyed Crystal
even more than I already was. I got obsessed with it, actually, which can be
unhealthy. :) 
!