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May 17, 2012 3:00:14 PM

Hello. This process has been an exercise in 1 step forward, 2 steps back... So let me take a step back and explain the problem.

I have a dinosaur of a machine, the eMachines T6520. It comes with a MS-7145 motherboard, and uses Phoenix BIOS.

I recently got an ATI Radeon HD 5450 graphics card. However as long as it is plugged into the PCI Express slot I get no video signal and it doesn't even seem like my computer is booting up, though it's hard to tell from sound alone. If I disconnect the card then it works fine again. It doesn't seem to matter if I connect the VGA cable to the integrated card or directly to the dedicated graphics card, and it doesn't seem to matter if I disable the integrated card in Device Manager or not, with the exception that one time when I did that I got no video whatsoever even with the card disconnected after Windows XP finished loading.

About the only things I have not tried are:

Disabling the integrated card in BIOS. I don't see any such option there. There was one for primary graphics display, which I set to PCI Express with no change.
Attempting to update the BIOS. Given the risks, it's not something I want to try without professional help.
The power supply. Most people, including the ones I bought it from said that it would be fine but some said 300W wasn't enough. It also says 300W and 480W in different places.

I have no idea which is the case. It doesn't seem to be booting but the power light is on and the fans are rotating. I think it's most likely one of the first two as it does seem the most likely that the problem is a compatibility problem between a PCI Express 2.1 card and a PCI Express 1.0 slot.
a b V Motherboard
May 17, 2012 3:16:06 PM

Try by 450w psu if not boot then check you gpu in another system and vice-versa
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May 17, 2012 3:35:48 PM

This is currently the strongest system I can access so I can't try the card in another system. I could get a better supply but don't want to unless I'm sure that's the problem because at this rate I'm getting close to the point where I'd be better off cutting my losses and purchasing an entirely new computer. Tigerdirect is offering a rather good one for 300.

Other premades would likely have weaker power supplies as well right? I do have a few older ones still and could try grabbing something out of one of those, but they're probably the same strength or weaker.
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May 17, 2012 4:16:55 PM

Make sure the PCI express card is properly installed, google or have somebody check your installation. ATI5450 shouldn't be using that much power. Machine is a bit dated, so it's only good for non FPS games. You can look for a new system.
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May 17, 2012 5:45:04 PM

stevetheutilityman said:
Make sure the PCI express card is properly installed, google or have somebody check your installation. ATI5450 shouldn't be using that much power. Machine is a bit dated, so it's only good for non FPS games. You can look for a new system.


I just make sure the card is completely in the slot so that none of the gold contact is showing and the little latch on the end is locked into place right? Or did you mean something else?

Edit: This card should be able to run D3 on Low, which I'm fine with. Right now it's not even booting up if the card is connected. Forget Inferno difficulty, getting a D3 ready computer is the real ultimate challenge!
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May 17, 2012 5:57:23 PM

steven_15 said:
This is currently the strongest system I can access so I can't try the card in another system. I could get a better supply but don't want to unless I'm sure that's the problem because at this rate I'm getting close to the point where I'd be better off cutting my losses and purchasing an entirely new computer. Tigerdirect is offering a rather good one for 300.

Other premades would likely have weaker power supplies as well right? I do have a few older ones still and could try grabbing something out of one of those, but they're probably the same strength or weaker.


Without another psu to test it, there's no telling. It SHOULD work.

A good computer for $300?? I'd ask about that on this forum before I made that purchase, or your just going to be in the same boat you are now with a non upgradable machine.

$300 isn't going to buy much computer, even without a graphics card, because a midrange graphics card alone runs $300.
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May 17, 2012 6:08:18 PM

geekapproved said:
Without another psu to test it, there's no telling. It SHOULD work.

A good computer for $300?? I'd ask about that on this forum before I made that purchase, or your just going to be in the same boat you are now with a non upgradable machine.

$300 isn't going to buy much computer, even without a graphics card, because a midrange graphics card alone runs $300.


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Aside from being a bare bones thing, so you have to assemble it and provide your own OS I'm not seeing the catch here... other than not really having the money that is. It doesn't include a graphics card, but I do have one that should work, it just isn't on my computer for some reason.

Getting back to the current PC, are there any other possible causes besides the PSU not providing enough power? Everyone told me this was a low power card and it should work on my machine as long as I don't overclock or run on high settings which the rest of my components couldn't handle anyways.

And if it is the BIOS, how do I fix that?
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a b V Motherboard
May 17, 2012 7:37:14 PM

That's a pretty friggin good deal if it's really $300. But you still need a graphics card unless you plan on playing games with the onboard video.
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May 17, 2012 7:44:26 PM

geekapproved said:
That's a pretty friggin good deal if it's really $300. But you still need a graphics card unless you plan on playing games with the onboard video.


I already have the 5450, and it should work. It's only a few days old and never been actually used, just installed. It's not working on my current PC, and I'd like to rule out these last few possibilities before seriously considering an upgrade but it should work.
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a b V Motherboard
May 17, 2012 9:26:39 PM

It should work. Why not buy a psu and try it, then return it, or use it in that system your thinking of buying, the psu in that system is garbage anyways.
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a b V Motherboard
May 17, 2012 9:40:08 PM

geekapproved said:
It should work. Why not buy a psu and try it, then return it, or use it in that system your thinking of buying, the psu in that system is garbage anyways.


Right but take somthing around 850 watt or less 600 watt
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a b V Motherboard
May 17, 2012 9:40:34 PM

geekapproved said:
It should work. Why not buy a psu and try it, then return it, or use it in that system your thinking of buying, the psu in that system is garbage anyways.


Yes take somthing around 850 watt or less 600 watt
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May 17, 2012 11:16:55 PM

geekapproved said:
It should work. Why not buy a psu and try it, then return it, or use it in that system your thinking of buying, the psu in that system is garbage anyways.


I agree, it's a weak PSU. Though can you even do that? I thought anything computer related had a no returns policy, especially since the only way to get a remotely reasonable price is to order from somewhere like Tiger Direct instead of going into a retail store.

They have a 600W Corsair PSU for 40 dollars. That's a good brand right? If I need more than 600 for some low end parts that would really shock me. I could kind of see it for the new computer.
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a b V Motherboard
May 17, 2012 11:49:10 PM

A CX600 for $40 is a good price.
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a b V Motherboard
May 18, 2012 7:43:43 AM

Corsair is good brand but for future sli/crossfire 850watt is good
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a b V Motherboard
May 18, 2012 11:42:10 AM

Future SLI/Crossfire of what? GTX580's? HD5970's?
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May 18, 2012 12:42:53 PM

I dunno. I'm not a huge graphics fan so I'm not going to be needing any sort of dual GPU setup. I'd be happy if I can get a single GPU working in my computer, or failing that buy a new computer and put the card into that.

Sure it'd be nice to play on 2048 resolution or something but it's not all that important to me.
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a b V Motherboard
May 18, 2012 1:30:12 PM

geekapproved said:
Future SLI/Crossfire of what? GTX580's? HD5970's?


I dont know what you're trying to say but can you explain :) 
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a b V Motherboard
May 18, 2012 1:32:03 PM

Go for the psu you choosed corsair made good products
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May 18, 2012 5:04:18 PM

I got to look at it for free later today and try and determine what the problem is. If it's the PSU I'll get that one. If it's the motherboard I'll have to see about a new computer.

Though one thing I noticed is that this card was marketed as a PCI Express 2.0 card, but they shipped me a 2.1 card. The manufacturer doesn't even make a 2.0 version of that card so I guess it's a listing error but that listing error might have very well made me buy the wrong card.
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May 18, 2012 10:02:36 PM

THE UNKNOWN said:
I dont know what you're trying to say but can you explain :) 


You recommended he get a 850w psu for Xfire.....................the op has a HD5450............Maybe YOU should explain?
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May 19, 2012 12:53:24 AM

One other question for now. What is the exact BIOS I'd need for an MS-7145 motherboard, and would that even allow a PCI Express 2.1 card to work in a 1.0 slot? I've heard some BIOS can, some can't. It isn't something I want to risk if it won't help.
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a b V Motherboard
May 19, 2012 7:33:20 AM

geekapproved said:
You recommended he get a 850w psu for Xfire.....................the op has a HD5450............Maybe YOU should explain?


well im not talking about that gpu at that time and he's happy with one so it doesn't matter
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a b V Motherboard
May 19, 2012 12:32:34 PM

It's an Athlon XP..........with a pci-e 1.0 mobo.........he's not going to need a 850w psu for future SLI/Xfire........lol
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May 19, 2012 2:43:46 PM

geekapproved said:
It's an Athlon XP..........with a pci-e 1.0 mobo.........he's not going to need a 850w psu for future SLI/Xfire........lol


Yeah really. And even if I had a new computer, I'm really not that big on graphics. I want it to run and look nice but I'm not the 2048 res max settings type.

That said I thought about it some more and I realized... while there might be a BIOS fix or something that would allow a PCI Express 2.1 video card to work in this 1.0 slot I've wasted enough time and effort fooling with it. Further, the retailer listed it as a PCI Express 2.0 card, which was false. They're telling me now the HD 4350 is a 2.0 card and would work but they said the 5450 would work, and many of their cards around the HD 4xxx-5xxx band have the 2.0s and 2.1s interchanged so I'm understandably doubtful. Sure the manufacturer said 2.0 but the manufacturer is Sapphire whereas the retailer does not offer a Sapphire version of the 4350, and the one that's the same price is MSI:

http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/ite...

Given the runaround I've been getting from everyone other than the people here I'd like to definitely and absolutely confirm a few things:

PCI Express 2.0 cards always work in 1.0 slots. It's 2.1 cards that only usually work in 1.0 slots (and not in my case). The manufacturer says yes, many other people say yes, then again I've gotten a lot of other information that was later proven to be incorrect or in some cases actively misleading (someone told me it costs 3-4 times more than it actually does for certain computer parts... they were not including labor).
That card linked in this post really is PCI Express 2.0 and will definitely work in the MS-7145 motherboard that comes with an eMachines T6520. It might vary by manufacturer. I don't know. I am not at all doubting the potential for me to get sucker punched further on this purchase.
That card really is low power like this page claims so that on the off chance the problem is that my power supply is too weak to support the 5450 (despite it being listed in a few places as consuming the same or less power than my integrated video) it will still work with the 4350. You'd think if my computer can support its usual components + a DVD burner external drive that draws power from the USB it could support a 5450/4350 instead of itself or even in addition to itself but I've learned to doubt everything when it comes to this sort of stuff.

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The 4350 will definitely work with Diablo 3. According to this page it's listed as low, same as the 5450. But I definitely don't want to get the card, find that it will actually work with my computer, and then find that it still won't work for the only thing I bought it for. That would be an improvement in the same way having a dancer who is performing clothed strip before a chained up man would be an improvement. Sure I'm technically closer to the good stuff but I'm still just being teased mercilessly and not making real progress.
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a b V Motherboard
May 19, 2012 2:51:43 PM

Hey Steven_15 dont get wrong :) 
I think he was comment on my post
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May 26, 2012 11:31:27 AM

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May 26, 2012 1:09:20 PM

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