Duel 6970, 570s, or one 580
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adrennn
September 1, 2011 4:50:34 AM
abekl
September 1, 2011 6:58:35 AM
cypeq
September 1, 2011 7:17:20 AM
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Motopsychojdn
September 1, 2011 7:46:01 AM
PennyLife
September 1, 2011 8:17:41 AM
Uther39
September 1, 2011 11:12:25 AM
fergie
September 1, 2011 11:26:23 AM
I would much rather go for 2 x 570s. That would piss over 1 x 580. I have never had problems with 2 cards and have used sli with 7800 gtx, 8800 gtx, gtx 280 and 480.
It does depend what resolution you play at. if it going to be less than 1900x 1200 then onw card would probably do the trick. So long as you have well ventalted case or wter cooling 2 cards should be fine. I haven't played a game where I have had problems with sli but a few friends have had problems with xfire.
It does depend what resolution you play at. if it going to be less than 1900x 1200 then onw card would probably do the trick. So long as you have well ventalted case or wter cooling 2 cards should be fine. I haven't played a game where I have had problems with sli but a few friends have had problems with xfire.
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simon12
September 1, 2011 11:27:56 AM
In terms of FPS dual cards will win by a mile see http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/298?vs=305&i=187... but obviously there can be power and cooling issues and also read this http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/radeon-geforce-stutter-cr...
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Cygnus x-1
September 1, 2011 12:43:29 PM
Even the aging GTX 460 is faster or as fast as the GTX 580 in most benchmarks. Like said however, there is the matter of micro stutter that may or may not rear it's ugly head, and driver issues. Your best bet is to do some googling and see what others have encountered with the setup you're looking to get and with the games you want to play.
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simon12
September 1, 2011 1:31:18 PM
Cygnus x-1
September 1, 2011 1:31:59 PM
simon12
September 1, 2011 1:35:59 PM
What screen or screens are you using to need this kind of hardware anyway? Also read http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/gaming-performance-radeon...
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"it's outperformed by more modern dual-card solutions like Radeon HD 6870s in CrossFire and GeForce GTX 560s in SLI"
Talking about the 580
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"it's outperformed by more modern dual-card solutions like Radeon HD 6870s in CrossFire and GeForce GTX 560s in SLI"
Talking about the 580
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monkeysweat
September 1, 2011 1:50:36 PM
go with the single card (580),, it may not be the fastest setup, but will give you the most ease of use across all games,, also Tom's just had an article on microstuttering,, another reason to avoid SLI unless you run high end cards. (may not be noticeable on 560's or 570's,, but why take a chance if you'll be happy on 1 580)
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jonnyrb
September 1, 2011 2:03:24 PM
adrennn said:
title, answer the question and why, with evidence
I almost skipped over this thread since it had 14 responses. Unfortunately everyone is out to lunch on this? Where have you guys even been recently?
the Best decision is clearly crossfire 2x 6950's
It's TAD above your price range, but slaughters everything everyone is suggesting.You can't really relate anything to a 580 the card is a standalone in terms of value. It beats any high end card (excluding the 6990, and 590 obv), costs more, but loses to any sli or crossfire high end cards.
It's like saying should I eat 2 six inch subs or buy the 8 inch sub from subway(I do wish they had 8 inch subs).
The 6950's are rather amazing with crossfire scaling with multiple benchmarks. If you plan on playing at 1080p get the 2gb version.
http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/305?vs=299
WATCH THE SLAUGHTER
I have these cards, they are top notch for what you're paying.
edit: If you posted this in the Graphics // GPU section, everyone would be agreeing with me except mousemonkey since he's an nvidia advocate.
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adrennn
September 1, 2011 2:14:39 PM
jonnyrb
September 1, 2011 3:00:16 PM
adrennn said:
How am I supposed to know what to choose when almost everyone gave me a different answer...? ._.If you go to the Graphics section instead of CPU. Crossfiring 570's is a waste because of limited VRAM. 6970's cost to much for the performance boost vs the 6950s.
The 6950's are amazing price for performance in regards to crossfiring.
Notice every one who said 580 had the reason of "it's just easier, even though it's worse" I guess they don't want the labour of putting in a second GPU and a crossfire ribbon.. (takes 30 more seconds..)
edit: also I wouldn't suggest crossfiring a 6870 or below or SLI'ing a 560ti or below because of microsuttering
Toms hardware just published a huge (18 page or something) article regarding this.
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dhicks19
September 1, 2011 3:02:51 PM
jonnyrb
September 1, 2011 3:05:11 PM
dhicks19 said:
why can no one google search 6970 crossfire benchmarkIt's unnecessary to pay that much more from what you get from the 6950's. Having 6950's in crossfire is powerful enough for ANY game out right now max settings at 1080p full tilt, so long as you have an I series quad core. Sandy bridge or not
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Uther39
September 1, 2011 3:13:17 PM
jonnyrb said:
If you go to the Graphics section instead of CPU. Crossfiring 570's is a waste because of limited VRAM. 6970's cost to much for the performance boost vs the 6950s.The 6950's are amazing price for performance in regards to crossfiring.
Notice every one who said 580 had the reason of "it's just easier, even though it's worse" I guess they don't want the labour of putting in a second GPU and a crossfire ribbon.. (takes 30 more seconds..)
edit: also I wouldn't suggest crossfiring a 6870 or below or SLI'ing a 560ti or below because of microsuttering
Toms hardware just published a huge (18 page or something) article regarding this.I have a single GTX580 Asus Direct CU model, and it can play all my games including Arma 2 Operation Arrowhead at max view distance and max settings at my Dells 27" native resolution of 2560 x 1440, this is why i recommend it, nothing to do with labour time, anything more gpu wise is surely overkill especially for 1080p.
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jonnyrb
September 1, 2011 3:17:03 PM
Uther39 said:
I have a single GTX580 Asus Direct CU model, and it can play all my games including Arma 2 Operation Arrowhead at max view distance and max settings at my Dells 27" native resolution of 2560 x 1440, this is why i recommend it, nothing to do with labour time, anything more gpu wise is surely overkill especially for 1080p.To be blunt, a single 6950 will suffice at 1080p for now. But everyone wants to be future proof and play games at 16xmlsaa with depth of field and ambient occlusion...
p.s. I'm jealous of your cinema display. I'm just going to ghetto eyefinity with my 6950's for a legit 5760 x 1200, awkwardly enough this method is cheaper.
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simon12
September 1, 2011 4:35:53 PM
monkeysweat
September 1, 2011 5:53:57 PM
Adrenn, do you want power & speed or easy power & speed?
a single 580 will be a very good option for you and you wont have to worry about sli/crossfire issues, microstuttering, extra heat from spacing 2 cards, extra power requirements from a bigger PSU,,,etc etc
if you want most possible graphical power,, a dual card setup will get you there, but you have to take in to consideration the above issues and some/most of them are unavoidable and you are taking a chance,,,if you are inexperienced with PCs, it is not the best option ( I know it is not difficult to set up the system,, but it can be difficult to diagnose issues you may have as 1 problem can be caused from a combination of several factors)
a single 580 will be a very good option for you and you wont have to worry about sli/crossfire issues, microstuttering, extra heat from spacing 2 cards, extra power requirements from a bigger PSU,,,etc etc
if you want most possible graphical power,, a dual card setup will get you there, but you have to take in to consideration the above issues and some/most of them are unavoidable and you are taking a chance,,,if you are inexperienced with PCs, it is not the best option ( I know it is not difficult to set up the system,, but it can be difficult to diagnose issues you may have as 1 problem can be caused from a combination of several factors)
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jonnyrb
September 1, 2011 8:19:42 PM
monkeysweat said:
Adrenn, do you want power & speed or easy power & speed?a single 580 will be a very good option for you and you wont have to worry about sli/crossfire issues, microstuttering, extra heat from spacing 2 cards, extra power requirements from a bigger PSU,,,etc etc
if you want most possible graphical power,, a dual card setup will get you there, but you have to take in to consideration the above issues and some/most of them are unavoidable and you are taking a chance,,,if you are inexperienced with PCs, it is not the best option ( I know it is not difficult to set up the system,, but it can be difficult to diagnose issues you may have as 1 problem can be caused from a combination of several factors)
You have to start somewhere
Building a computer is no different than Lego for adults. It's really not to difficult. Crossfire and SLI have been around long enough that the issues are nearly none existent if at all prevalent in most games (granted you're not running a quad gpu setup or something...)
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monkeysweat
September 1, 2011 8:55:54 PM
here's some linky's on what i'm talking about avoiding,, not something for the inexperienced user to setup.
Microstutter:
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/radeon-geforce-stut...
This one has quite a few setups against one another to compare the difference between what you are looking at
http://www.legitreviews.com/article/1488/1/
http://www.guru3d.com/article/geforce-gtx-570-sli-revie...
These are all about SLI/Crossfire Scaling etc - not as important but I can't find the article with 1 good card vs 2 lesser cards - except the last article
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/crossfire-sli-3-way...
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/crossfire-sli-scali...
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/amd-crossfire-nvidi...
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/geforce-gtx-460-sli...
Microstutter:
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/radeon-geforce-stut...
This one has quite a few setups against one another to compare the difference between what you are looking at
http://www.legitreviews.com/article/1488/1/
http://www.guru3d.com/article/geforce-gtx-570-sli-revie...
These are all about SLI/Crossfire Scaling etc - not as important but I can't find the article with 1 good card vs 2 lesser cards - except the last article
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/crossfire-sli-3-way...
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/crossfire-sli-scali...
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/amd-crossfire-nvidi...
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/geforce-gtx-460-sli...
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mosox
September 1, 2011 9:59:04 PM
adrennn
September 1, 2011 10:20:01 PM
But I hear that AMD is more unreliable, breaks often, ect. ect.
Why should I get the 6970 when this says the 580 is most powerful, wouldn't that mean the 580 would be best SLI? (I don't know much about GPUs)
http://www.videocardbenchmark.net/high_end_gpus.html
Why should I get the 6970 when this says the 580 is most powerful, wouldn't that mean the 580 would be best SLI? (I don't know much about GPUs)
http://www.videocardbenchmark.net/high_end_gpus.html
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thrakazog
September 1, 2011 10:36:40 PM
I would say the 6950's are the best deal in a card right now. I run 2 MSI 6950's in X-fire atm and love it. Even tomshardware.com latest video card recommendations lists 2 6950's up with the 590 and 6990, for cheaper no less.
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gaming-performance-...
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gaming-performance-...
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PennyLife
September 1, 2011 10:50:55 PM
PennyLife
September 1, 2011 10:50:55 PM
PennyLife
September 1, 2011 11:06:16 PM
Any of the suggested setups will serve as a top tier choice for gaming at resolutions up to 1920x1200. Basically Adrennn, I think you have realized this, and this is what it comes down to:
Performance
1. 2 x 6970
2. 2 x GTX 570
3. 2 x 6950
4. GTX 580
Cost
1. 2 x 6970
2. 2 x GTX 570
3. 2 x 6950
4. GTX 580
Dual GPU Setup
Pros
- Top performance
Cons
- Higher price
- More heat
- Higher power usage
- Possible stuttering
- Game compatibility (some games will only use one of your two GPUs if they do not support SLI or CrossFire)
- Possible stuttering
Single GTX 580
Pros
- Cheaper
- Plug and Play (ease of use)
- Just as futureproof (can add another later if desired, and if you have a good enough PSU)
Cons
- Less performance
- High price for single card
Performance
1. 2 x 6970
2. 2 x GTX 570
3. 2 x 6950
4. GTX 580
Cost
1. 2 x 6970
2. 2 x GTX 570
3. 2 x 6950
4. GTX 580
Dual GPU Setup
Pros
- Top performance
Cons
- Higher price
- More heat
- Higher power usage
- Possible stuttering
- Game compatibility (some games will only use one of your two GPUs if they do not support SLI or CrossFire)
- Possible stuttering
Single GTX 580
Pros
- Cheaper
- Plug and Play (ease of use)
- Just as futureproof (can add another later if desired, and if you have a good enough PSU)
Cons
- Less performance
- High price for single card
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adrennn
September 2, 2011 3:40:20 AM
adrennn
September 2, 2011 3:44:37 AM
dhicks19
September 2, 2011 8:58:07 AM
Derbixrace
September 2, 2011 10:07:58 AM
if i were you i would get 2 of these http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
about the best price/performance you can do imo. with 2gb of vram you wont run into to any vram bottlenecks when using max AA/AF.
about the best price/performance you can do imo. with 2gb of vram you wont run into to any vram bottlenecks when using max AA/AF.
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adrennn
September 2, 2011 4:14:45 PM
Derbixrace
September 2, 2011 5:07:17 PM
monkeysweat
September 2, 2011 6:17:19 PM
jonnyrb
September 3, 2011 4:05:57 PM
adrennn said:
But I don't have the money to go crossfire right now, what should I do?Options
-Get a 580 and save for another over a long period of time
-Get a 6970 and save for another
-Get a 6950 and save for another
-get a 570 and save for another
which of those has the best performance
6970 out performs 6950 obviously, but for the price point it doesnt even matter. The 570 is limited by vram, I wouldn't suggest it unless your playing at 720p
I'm using a 6950 and playing Dues Ex right now on High settings --> No issues at all. Other than the fact that I keep right clicking to aim instead of middle mouse
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Uther39
September 3, 2011 4:10:59 PM
" The 570 is limited by vram, I wouldn't suggest it unless your playing at 720p "
Im sorry sir but the above is a rather ridiculous statement as the 570 is in no way limited by vram as it has over a GB of very good DDR5 vram and is more than capable of gaming at 1080p on high settings with any game you throw at it.
Im sorry sir but the above is a rather ridiculous statement as the 570 is in no way limited by vram as it has over a GB of very good DDR5 vram and is more than capable of gaming at 1080p on high settings with any game you throw at it.
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jonnyrb
September 3, 2011 5:17:20 PM
Uther39 said:
" The 570 is limited by vram, I wouldn't suggest it unless your playing at 720p "Im sorry sir but the above is a rather ridiculous statement as the 570 is in no way limited by vram as it has over a GB of very good DDR5 vram and is more than capable of gaming at 1080p on high settings with any game you throw at it.
Go play APB on ultra textures lol
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Uther39
September 3, 2011 5:21:15 PM
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