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March 26, 2011 6:53:36 PM

I am hoping I can find some good answers to my question!

I want to go with a three monitor (high resolution 3D Surround) setup for "Flight Sim" and possibly other newer games I might want to try. Am I better off getting the 590 card which has 3 DVI ports or the the 580 which only has two DVI ports?

Should I go Sli with either one of these configurations as to balance out stress, if so I would think the 580's would be better at least for my wallet?

Also my main function with this computer I want to build is Adobe Master Suite CS5 Then Flight Sim.

Any advise would be helpful.

thanks


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March 26, 2011 7:46:54 PM

You can't do surround with ONE gtx 580, you have to have an sli system. The gtx 590 is TWO gpu's on one pcb board, allowing you to do surround. This is a first time thing for nivida. If I was you, I would go with a gtx 590, its cheaper, and you can do surround out of the box.

I don't know if you were talking about sli with the gtx 580, but you would have to, to be able to do surround with that card.
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March 26, 2011 8:02:29 PM

Well I'm not exactly sure but after reading a little about the GTX590, it isn't exactly two 580's on one board, on one of Nvidia's websites it said it was 50% more powerful, but since it has 1024 cores and the 580 is the only card with 512cores...this means the 590 is made up of two heavily underclocked 580's. So what this brings me up to is that according to what I've read, which I don't know is true or not, an SLI configuration of two 580's (Stock Clocked) would be significantly more powerful than a single 590 (Stock Clocked). So if you can get two 580's cheaper than a single 590, i'd go for the 580s so more performance for your flight sim.

And for a Adobe CS5 suite, make sure you have plenty of ram and fast ram also, and a solid CPU...a VERY solid cpu.
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March 26, 2011 8:06:29 PM

blackhawk1928 said:
Well I'm not exactly sure but after reading a little about the GTX590, it isn't exactly two 580's on one board, on one of Nvidia's websites it said it was 50% more powerful, but since it has 1024 cores and the 580 is the only card with 512cores...this means the 590 is made up of two heavily underclocked 580's. So what this brings me up to is that according to what I've read, which I don't know is true or not, an SLI configuration of two 580's (Stock Clocked) would be significantly more powerful than a single 590 (Stock Clocked). So if you can get two 580's cheaper than a single 590, i'd go for the 580s so more performance for your flight sim.

And for a Adobe CS5 suite, make sure you have plenty of ram and fast ram also, and a solid CPU...a VERY solid cpu.


Exactly, isn't that how it always is with dual gpu cards? Its usually just 2 older GPU's on one board under clocked.

And yeah, for the CS5 you'll need a high end cpu, and lots of ram.

I7 plus.
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March 26, 2011 8:55:31 PM

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are you building a new rig? If so what platform?



Here is what I am thinking,

1. Asus P8P67 Deluxe
2. i7 2600k CPU
3. 2 new 580's (sli) or one new 275 to match the card I already have and run those in sli an save some money?
4. I would like to stay with the TT case I already have.

Not sure what size PSU I would need if I use the 275's in sli, but i am think of getting a 1000W maybe for future upgrades.

Putting together a system and trying to save some money is not an easy task.

I still need to buy 3 monitors and that will cost me a pretty penny
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March 26, 2011 9:27:03 PM



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March 26, 2011 9:41:59 PM

The two GTX 580's in SLI will be faster, but also cost about $300 more. I would go with a single GTX 590 to run three monitors, unless price is no concern.
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March 26, 2011 9:54:53 PM

Yep the gtx 590 is so underclocked, it performs like 570's in sli which was not the benchmarking news we were waiting for.

I would suggest like matto17 said, I would go with the 590 and overclock as high as you can(without blowing it up of course). Less powerful but cheaper but serously do we need that power?
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March 26, 2011 10:04:02 PM

1) The ram you selected is fine, but get a 16gb(4 x 4gb) kit to insure compatibility between the sticks.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

2) You need to get a GTX590, or go sli with a second 275, or sell the 275 and get a pair of new cards. I think I would try 2 GTX560ti, or GTX570 and sell the 275. The price/performance premium for dual GTX580 is steep, but if you can afford it, go for it.

3) A quality psu of 900w or so should do the job. Quality units will deliver the full advertised power continuoush=ly, not just at peak. Corsair, PC P&C, Seasonic, and Antec are good units.
The PC P&C silencer 910 is one of the better units:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
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March 26, 2011 11:03:37 PM

GTX 590 old blue smoke and sparks. Don't get that card and there are plenty of threads online so just write it off as a failure. There is even a video of one failing on camera.

Two 580 or nothing in that segment unless ati and they have their own problems. It has been some years since there has been a time like this ware both are pushing crappy cards depending on certain aspects such as drivers or in Nvidia's case bricked cards. The GTX 570 is also known to blow it's power vrm due to lack of cooling and the vrm mosfet stages being overloaded. The 560ti is more of a safe bet but is no ware near the best solution out there. 6950 is having a lot of issues and the 6990 is far from perfect as any one who has been around long enough to have a few years under their belt would know that dual gpu cards don't last very long.
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March 26, 2011 11:29:20 PM

geofelt said:
1) The ram you selected is fine, but get a 16gb(4 x 4gb) kit to insure compatibility between the sticks.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

2) You need to get a GTX590, or go sli with a second 275, or sell the 275 and get a pair of new cards. I think I would try 2 GTX560ti, or GTX570 and sell the 275. The price/performance premium for dual GTX580 is steep, but if you can afford it, go for it.

3) A quality psu of 900w or so should do the job. Quality units will deliver the full advertised power continuoush=ly, not just at peak. Corsair, PC P&C, Seasonic, and Antec are good units.
The PC P&C silencer 910 is one of the better units:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...


Thanks for the link on the ram (16gb (4x4gb))
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March 26, 2011 11:31:03 PM

I guess I am leaning towards the 2 GTX 560ti's
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March 26, 2011 11:57:15 PM

vflflyer said:
I guess I am leaning towards the 2 GTX 560ti's


Better than constant driver issues or worse a bricked card. Nvidia has sunk to new lows and ATI's crappy drivers are not making it any better for the rest. :( 

A single gtx 460 and a dedicated 8800gt.
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March 27, 2011 2:47:04 AM

No arguments with the two GTX 560's, in fact I think that's one of the better setups to have. I did want to say, I think the GTX 590's blowing up is a bit overhyped considering the majority of reviews are overclocking the card with no problems. Hardware Heaven even did a GTX 590 OC vs. 6990 OC article and were very impressed with the GTX 590's ability to overclock and the fact that updated drivers solved several issues seen in most of the initial reviews.
http://www.hardwareheaven.com/reviews/1140/pg1/point-of...

So, don't fear the 590, and if you want to overclock one, use the latest drivers and don't mess with the voltage.
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March 27, 2011 2:57:33 AM

Well if you're using multiple monitors then your best choice would be the GTX 590...

GTX 560 in SLI is good also but for a 3 monitor setup GTX 590 would be better especially at a higher res.
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March 27, 2011 3:02:32 AM

Bigmac80 said:
Well if you're using multiple monitors then your best choice would be the GTX 590...

GTX 560 in SLI is good also but for a 3 monitor setup GTX 590 would be better especially at a higher res.

The extra RAM will help.
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March 27, 2011 3:05:24 AM

nforce4max said:
GTX 590 old blue smoke and sparks. Don't get that card and there are plenty of threads online so just write it off as a failure. There is even a video of one failing on camera.

Two 580 or nothing in that segment unless ati and they have their own problems. It has been some years since there has been a time like this ware both are pushing crappy cards depending on certain aspects such as drivers or in Nvidia's case bricked cards. The GTX 570 is also known to blow it's power vrm due to lack of cooling and the vrm mosfet stages being overloaded. The 560ti is more of a safe bet but is no ware near the best solution out there. 6950 is having a lot of issues and the 6990 is far from perfect as any one who has been around long enough to have a few years under their belt would know that dual gpu cards don't last very long.


Ugh.. Learn to read reviews, seriously. It not a bad card, its the fastest card on earth, its amazing. The reason why the blew up is because they were using OLD beta DRIVERS, which didn't have a safety feature that shut off the card when overvolted; thus, the memory chips blew up.

Back to topic, if you want surround "without sli" (meaning not 2 physical graphics cards) then go with the gtx 590. Me personally, I'm getting a gtx 590 when I can sell my 5870, and other computer to pay for it. The EVGA verison is overclocked, comes with some cool little things, and is only 30 more $$$. Also scaling isn't that great at 4 way..

This will be the first time, for me anyways, doing a sli/crossfire setup, or even using 2 gpu's are once.
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March 27, 2011 3:07:32 AM

Also, personally the reason why I've never went sli/crossfire is cause of noise, heat, and power consumption. The gtx 590 does have underclocked 580's. Their NOT 570's though.
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March 27, 2011 2:04:19 PM

haxs101 said:
Ugh.. Learn to read reviews, seriously. It not a bad card, its the fastest card on earth, its amazing. The reason why the blew up is because they were using OLD beta DRIVERS, which didn't have a safety feature that shut off the card when overvolted; thus, the memory chips blew up.

Back to topic, if you want surround "without sli" (meaning not 2 physical graphics cards) then go with the gtx 590. Me personally, I'm getting a gtx 590 when I can sell my 5870, and other computer to pay for it. The EVGA verison is overclocked, comes with some cool little things, and is only 30 more $$$. Also scaling isn't that great at 4 way..

This will be the first time, for me anyways, doing a sli/crossfire setup, or even using 2 gpu's are once.


I have been reading Tom's Hardware and other review sites since 2003 even though I didn't join till much later however I can say with the years under my belt that one really doesn't know if a card is good till a few months after introduction but to already have bricked cards this early on isn't good. I may not make several hundred grand a year unlike most of you but I know to avoid certain cards. This is one of the few subject that I live and breath. The GTX 590 like other dual gpu cards have a much shorter life span than normal single gpu cards dual planar or single it doesn't matter.
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March 27, 2011 5:05:20 PM

Bigmac80 said:
Well if you're using multiple monitors then your best choice would be the GTX 590...

GTX 560 in SLI is good also but for a 3 monitor setup GTX 590 would be better especially at a higher res.


Are you talking about getting two 590's or are you saying that one 590 would be better than two 580's for better res?
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March 29, 2011 11:00:34 AM

you're welcome.. hope you enjoying it when you finish building the setup...
one more thing... you can save more money if you replace the i7 2600k with i5 2500k.. because i5 2500k is not much slower than i7 2600k... at least not with your naked eyes...
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March 29, 2011 9:00:18 PM

vflflyer said:
Are you talking about getting two 590's or are you saying that one 590 would be better than two 580's for better res?

Two 580's will be a little faster than one 590. All you need is one 590 for multiple monitors.
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March 30, 2011 7:28:41 PM

blackhawk1928 said:
Well I'm not exactly sure but after reading a little about the GTX590, it isn't exactly two 580's on one board, on one of Nvidia's websites it said it was 50% more powerful, but since it has 1024 cores and the 580 is the only card with 512cores...this means the 590 is made up of two heavily underclocked 580's. So what this brings me up to is that according to what I've read, which I don't know is true or not, an SLI configuration of two 580's (Stock Clocked) would be significantly more powerful than a single 590 (Stock Clocked). So if you can get two 580's cheaper than a single 590, i'd go for the 580s so more performance for your flight sim.

And for a Adobe CS5 suite, make sure you have plenty of ram and fast ram also, and a solid CPU...a VERY solid cpu.

I am thinking of going with Asus P8P67 Deluxe board and the i7-2600k

Any suggestions?
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March 30, 2011 8:46:57 PM

sounds good but don't plan on doing crossfire or sli on that board as it is 16x 4x, your second card will take a serious hit.

I ponder the same build myself but personally I'd want something with dual 16X if I were going to make the upgrade and sli my 570
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March 30, 2011 8:48:27 PM

overall if you are planning on running a single gpu that is a great setup, if you do go this route, and you still want to run triple monitors, you'd pretty much have to go with the gtx 590 or 6990....
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March 30, 2011 9:18:41 PM

If looking to SLI on a P67 motherboard, with those cards, you're going to need one of the NF200 boards for 16/16 PCIe bandwidth. 8x/8x is alright but with 580s... ***, you're already spend so much cash might as well fork out the extra $100 on the mobo.

Also, SLI 570 maybe? 6990? CF6970? There's plenty of options.
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March 30, 2011 9:45:47 PM

yeah I would say personally that even 570 sli would require an nf200 board when considering the demands of high aa and high af with sub NF200 level controller, and like you said having already spending all this money on gpus you might as well shell out the extra money for the proper motherboard... I think sli 570s is one of the best bang for your buck configurations out there as they come very close to 580s because they scale better, but overall the 580 architecture makes them significantly stronger then sli 570s from what I've heard
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March 30, 2011 10:15:14 PM

Yeah, either is fine but SB is amazingly fast.
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March 30, 2011 11:41:15 PM

6990 eyefinity.

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March 31, 2011 10:57:59 AM

asus p8p67 ws revolution with i5 2500k plus gtx 560ti sli or gtx 570 sli....
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March 31, 2011 11:22:14 AM

get a 590 if you like watching things blow up. and the 570 is not far off the mark....
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March 31, 2011 2:15:39 PM

yeah any card will blow up if you overvolt and overclock the crap out of it
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March 31, 2011 2:47:54 PM

PsychoSaysDie had a couple links to german sites where they blew up at stock volts.
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March 31, 2011 2:52:23 PM

thats a huge fail but i bet there are not as many blowing up at stock volts compared to those who really tried to push the envelope with their ocs, of course psycho will cite an occurrence like that op justify his own purchase
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March 31, 2011 6:20:02 PM

A couple of German sites does not counter that fact that most review sites are overclocking the 590 and actually are very pleased with the results. In any event, I don't think anyone has heard of a problem since any of the three new drivers were released within the past week. Meanwhile, AMD is milking those flawed, month old 11.4 preview drivers for all their worth.

All the same, having owned a reference GTX 480, there is no way in hell I would buy a more expensive 6990 that is twice as loud. That's what the 6990 is, the GTX 480 redux, only worse.
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March 31, 2011 9:12:32 PM

^Agreed
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March 31, 2011 10:29:51 PM

TechPowerup blew up one of their 590's on their review. Not a German site and definitely a respected reviewer.
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March 31, 2011 10:46:29 PM

Carc369 said:
TechPowerup blew up one of their 590's on their review. Not a German site and definitely a respected reviewer.

So, without adding voltage, they had a stable core speed of 775 mhz, for an outstanding 26% overclock. Then:
"As a first step, I increased the voltage from 0.938 V default to 1.000 V, maximum stable clock was 815 MHz - faster than GTX 580! Moving on, I tried 1.2 V"

I'm still going with... yeah, what did he expect to happen by upping the voltage that much? He could have even stopped at 1.0V for a 33% speed increase. These things are not magic, there are limits, and sometimes, yes, when you push your hardware to extreme, things blow up.

Anyway, these are old problems and nothing new has been reported with the new drivers. In fact, here is an excellent article comparing the 590 to 6990, both overclocked and using the latest drivers. It seems Nvidia has actually fixed several problems, while AMD is still stuck with the old faulty 11.4 preview drivers. I'm sure you can probably guess the conclusion without even reading it:
http://www.hardwareheaven.com/reviews/1140/pg1/point-of...
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March 31, 2011 11:12:17 PM

And another thing I need to point out in the techpowerup review of the 6990, they only managed a mere 10% overclock, AND THEY NEVER EVEN ATTEMPTED TO INCREASE THE VOLTAGE. Hey, let's all try to increase the voltage on the 6990 by 28%, like they did with the GTX 590, and let's see what happens!
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March 31, 2011 11:54:26 PM

^word,
.... so a gtx 570 at what core speed makes it as fast as a gtx 580?
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