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June 8, 2011 9:15:26 PM

I've had others help me build before, and I've replaced drives and processors, but I'm about to build my first machine from the ground up.

Would the community please weigh in on these components and let me know if you recognize any compatibility issues or imbalance. I very much appreciate your time and expertise.

Case: Fractal Design Define R3
Power: CORSAIR Enthusiast Series TX750
MB: AS Rock Z68 Extreme4
CPU: Intel Core i7-2600K Sandy Bridge 3.4GHz
Cooler: Thermalright MUX-120
RAM: CORSAIR Vengeance 8GB (2 x 4GB)
HD:western digital caviar black 1tb 7200 rpm 6g/s
optical: LG 24x DVDwriter
OS: Win 7 Home
Video card: still undecided, I targeted Raedon 6950, but ASRock isn't showing compatibility for the 6900 series, I also was considering a GTX 570 either a EVGA SuperClocked (not sure about running temps) or ASUS ENGTX570


I'll also add a card reader, and I am considering adding an SSD in a smart response RAID

Total price would run about $1400 without any extended warranties.

Thanks again
June 8, 2011 9:40:49 PM

Im building my first machine aswell
do you really need Z68 or would P67 not be cheaper and offer the same performance for less
the GTx 570 has more power it isnt a great overclocker but is still a really powerful card
the 6950 is better if your using more than one display
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June 8, 2011 9:54:07 PM

actually the price difference on the boards is only about $20 and I'm using Tom's reviews to pick the Z68 over the ASUS P67 Deluxe

thanks on the cards - I need to get confirmation from ASRock that they support the 6900's
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June 8, 2011 10:41:27 PM

You should get a 2500K instead. In gaming, it's almost exactly the same, and it costs $100 less.
A 600W PSU would be fine without SLI/xfire.
What do you mean by that 6900 series compatibility? I'd be surprised if one of the biggest high-end GPU lines was incompatible with one of the biggest high-end motherboards.
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June 9, 2011 6:54:13 AM

Please fill all information out with this that you have not already included: http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/261222-31-build-advic...

Thanks.

I'd go with the Gigabyte $130 Z68 and i5-2500K unless you're a really hardcore overclocker.

CPU: $210 (on Amazon, choose your seller) i5-2500K

Mobo: $130 GIGABYTE GA-Z68A-D3H-B3 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

PSU: $90 Antec 750W http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Any Antec, Corsair, Seasonic, or XFX will do. I'd wait for a deal.

RAM: $75 Any Newegg 8GB 1600CL9 or faster deal

Graphics: $480 2x HIS Radeon 6950 2GB http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Case: $100 Anything you want that fits two big graphics cards, a bottom mounted PSU, and good cooling.

HDD: $60 Samsung Spinpoint F3 1TB--it's as fast as a Caviar Black. Look up reviews.

DVD Burner: $20 any

CPU Cooler: $30 Coolermaster Hyper 212+

TOTAL: $1195


Keep in mind that two 6950 2GB's beat two GTX 570's due to better dual card scaling. Make sure you go Z68, not P67.

SSD: $270 OCZ Vertex 3 120GB Wait for it to drop in price.

EDIT: FYI, the case you want is kinda small and thin (8.1"). You may have trouble with certain coolers. You can get a prettier cooler than the Hyper 212+, but it'll cost more. You can skip the second graphics card and wait until they drop in price in a year, since one will do anything. I don't know if your price includes windows. If so, then you need to drop that second graphics card if you're not getting the student version.
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June 9, 2011 7:27:41 AM

ghnader hsmithot said:

ANd no the 6900 series should be compatible with all ASrock mobos.
Obviously it couldn't be compatible on ALL motherboards (chipsets, older lines, etc.), but could you expand on what you mean by it lacking compatibility with new motherboards? I'm pretty sure any Crossfire capable board should run fine with two 6950's--especially ones that run 8x/8x or faster.

If you have information to the contrary, I'd be interested to here it though. Thanks.
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June 9, 2011 4:00:03 PM

The intel core i5 2500k
and the GTX 570
are a great match
the 2600k is not worth it unless your doing video editing or have lots of windows open while gaming
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June 9, 2011 5:19:18 PM

This topic has been moved from the section CPU & Components to section Systems by Mousemonkey
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June 9, 2011 5:23:07 PM

the 6900 series cards are compatible with that board btw. and the big question, what resolutions will you be playing at?
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June 9, 2011 5:30:17 PM

ugh, before Mouse monkey moved this I had filled out all my info - and lost it
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June 9, 2011 5:42:41 PM

I'll list the whole thing again later - no time now. But here are some highlights.

Timing: next 2 months but sooner is better

Needs: gaming and home photo & video, but I do take that seriously

Budget: cap (edited)$1500(/edited), would like single source as I get a reimbursement loan from my employer that is made easier with a single receipt.

Resolution 1920 for now, but could go 2560 in the future. - I would like to be dule monitoring as I beat my alt+tab keys into submission and have grown duel monitor accustomed at work.

6950 on ASRock Z68 Extrme4: I've seen it used in test configs which increase my confidence, but its conspicuous that no 6900 series appears on ASRocks compatibility charts.

I'm upping power to 850W in case I want to Crossfire in the future.

When I compare my latest config to delauder I'm about $250 more but I have included an 40g SSD, OS, and some extra fans (just in case for the future - I'm taking advantage of the bundled shipping).

Main changes from last config: Sapphire 2G 6950, Kingston HyperX 8G, and the inclusion of the 40G Intel 320 SSD.

I will look into swapping the WD HDD for the Samsung - I think last night I couldn't find the price/size combo I wanted on newegg.

If I change from a mid to full tower I will likely stay with Fractile Design (XL instead of the Define 3) for an extra $40 as I really like the combo of cooling, noise and appearance.
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June 9, 2011 7:09:59 PM

Draneico said:
I'll list the whole thing again later - no time now. But here are some highlights.

Timing: next 2 months but sooner is better

Needs: gaming and home photo & video, but I do take that seriously

Budget: cap $1800, would like single source as I get a reimbursement loan from my employer that is made easier with a single receipt.

Resolution 1920 for now, but could go 2560 in the future. - I would like to be dule monitoring as I beat my alt+tab keys into submission and have grown duel monitor accustomed at work.

6950 on ASRock Z68 Extrme4: I've seen it used in test configs which increase my confidence, but its conspicuous that no 6900 series appears on ASRocks compatibility charts.

I'm upping power to 850W in case I want to Crossfire in the future.

When I compare my latest config to delauder I'm about $250 more but I have included an 40g SSD, OS, and some extra fans (just in case for the future - I'm taking advantage of the bundled shipping).

Main changes from last config: Sapphire 2G 6950, Kingston HyperX 8G, and the inclusion of the 40G Intel 320 SSD.

I will look into swapping the WD HDD for the Samsung - I think last night I couldn't find the price/size combo I wanted on newegg.

If I change from a mid to full tower I will likely stay with Fractile Design (XL instead of the Define 3) for an extra $40 as I really like the combo of cooling, noise and appearance.


i'd garauntee you that a ATI 6950 WILL work in that board, that board even supports ATI™ Quad CrossFireX™ , 3-Way CrossFireX™ and CrossFireX™.
and also that board comes with a Front USB 3.0 Panel which supports 2 x USB 3.0 ports and provides a 2.5” SSD/HDD rack.
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June 9, 2011 7:38:39 PM

ps3hacker12 - like your confidence.

that front USB 3 panel that helps support my case selection as well.

In the past I got burned by making assumptions on compatibility - I suppose I'm a little gunshy. - thanks for the support and feedback
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June 9, 2011 11:30:10 PM

Any reason you're going P67 instead of Z68? Z68 is a big deal if you do video work.

Also, why an Intel 320 40GB SSD? I get it's $84. But the write performance is abysmal compared to Sandforce drives.

This $80 Vertex 2 is much faster and 60GB (51GB formatted): http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Personally, I'd hold out and get a SATA 3 SSD. At an $1800 budget, you could fit in the 120GB Vertex 3 for ludicrous speed.

Can you link the cases you're looking into. I question their size and cooling for large video cards (until I can get more info).
EDIT: It looks like the Fractal Define 3 can fit an 11" video card. A 6950 will fit. Whether the 6970 fits may depend on the PCI-e connector orientation. The Define 3 seems to have good cooling, but the XL is not good at CPU cooling, but great at GPU cooling: http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/cases/2010/11/19/fract...
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June 9, 2011 11:48:16 PM

Thanks dalauder.

I'm still between P67 and Z68 overclocks. I do dabble in video work - granted for fun not profit.

On the SSD I have to admit I landed on that at about 2 am - perhaps a bit rash.

On the case, I think I'll stop at the 6950 so the 6970 isn't a factor.

I should have added (and will edit it) my total budget is about 1800, but on these parts I'm going to cap around 1500 because I also want to add a second monitor, a keyboard/mouse and I am going to get a netbook for my wife so she can't kick me off this machine ;)  my total will be about 2k with everything, so my core system needs to run about 1500.
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June 10, 2011 1:12:16 AM

Careful with the netbook. A lot of them give very unsatisfying experiences and won't keep her off your desktop. I'd put $330 down on a real laptop (15.6" instead) or $399 for an i3-380M laptop. Check techbargains for laptop deals. It's the best place I've found: http://www.techbargains.com/catsearch.cfm/0_3_0

P67 and Z68 differences in overclockability mostly lie in the quality of voltage regulation. You're gonna find that a $130 Z68 does as well as a $130 P67. The problem is that $200 Z68's, if that is indeed what you're looking for, are harder to find than $200 P67's.

Depending on your seriousness about video work, you can consider an i7-2600K at your budget. It's usually not worth it, but you may want it. I dunno. If you're budget is big, I'd also get a $60 top of the line CPU cooler, but it's really barely better than a Hyper 212+.

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June 10, 2011 2:54:24 AM

dalauder I really appreciate all your help. I don't often find myself with so square a newb target on my back. Thanks for helping me through.

I feel like I'm in 24/7 research mode - I'm finding way more places to get info than is healthy.

I'm likely to keep my core cap at 1500 - add the monitor and keyboard to come in a little under my 1800 cap. I like the notion of getting the laptop through other channels which frees me up to move away from the netbooks and into other sub $400 arenas.

I think the core of the system so far is staying the same:
Define R3 case, 850W power, ASRock Ex4 mobo, the Sapphire 6950 reference card, and Kingston HyperX 8G.

I think I'm beginning to settle back to the i5-2500k.

That leaves resolving the storage.
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June 10, 2011 4:08:48 AM

Kingston HyperX? Okay, so long as it's a good price. They make good RAM, but so do G.Skill, Corsair, and some other companies. RAM is typically just fine though. It's not like PSUs.

EDIT: I've got to double check those Z68 prices against performance, brb: http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/asrock-z68-extreme4...

UPDATE: The ASRock Extreme 4 Z68 looks amazing. Good choice. I'd run that with two 6950 2GB's and a used GeForce for PhysX.

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June 10, 2011 4:43:25 AM

I originally had the CORSAIR Enthusiast Series TX750 but based on Tom's advice made the switch to the Kingston.

I'm having a bit of a bear on cooling. The Define 3 should allow about 6.5" and a Zalman 9900Max only leaves .5" and the 9700's leave an inch to spear- think I can squeeze it in?
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June 10, 2011 5:43:32 AM

If it fits a 6.5" cooler, then you're good. That cooler's a bit noisy and pricey though.

EDIT: I'd buy it cuz it looks cool. You seemed more concerned about noise than me though.
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June 10, 2011 6:00:04 AM

ok - I'll take a look back through and check a few more options.

I am going to wait on the SSD. it just seems the pricing makes no sense when you look at claimed speeds for the same interface. I'll come back to that in a few months.
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June 10, 2011 6:03:21 AM

well, I wont be able to see it since its a windowless case, I'm looking for good and reasonably quiet cooling that comes in under 160-165mm high cause I am likely to oc
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June 10, 2011 6:46:43 AM

If you don't care what it looks like and want it quiet and effective, then a Hyper 212+ is your cooler: http://www.frostytech.com/articleview.cfm?articleid=256...
There's a reason it's what most people recommend most of the time.

It'll fit: http://forums.whirlpool.net.au/archive/1585430

There are some other coolers high on that first link there that you might want to look into though. What thermal paste are you getting?: http://benchmarkreviews.com/index.php?option=com_conten...

FYI: I'll be afk for the weekend (Guam time) in about 10 minutes. I won't see this thread until I get back here on Monday. So don't go buy an i7-960, G1 Assassin mobo, & GTX 480 when I'm gone (I've seen strange purchases over the weekend, but never that strange).
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June 10, 2011 2:22:03 PM

lol - no worries dalauder no i7-9's for me
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June 10, 2011 6:48:23 PM

any updates on your build-so-far?
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June 10, 2011 7:29:15 PM

Yes, here is the latest:
Approximate Purchase Date: I'm totally jonsing now, so while there is no legit urgency, I'd like to pull the trigger when the GPU comes available on neweggg -- the sooner the better!


Budget Range: $1300 ($1500 w/ OS) ($1800 w/ monitor, keyboard/mouse, and media reader)


System Usage from Most to Least Important: 1A) gaming 1B) home enthusiast photo & video editing - they tie for first


Parts Not Required: UPS, power management


Preferred Website(s) for Parts: newegg - has to come as much as possible from a single source


Country of Origin:
USA

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Parts Preferences:
Case: Fractal Design Define R3 - $100
PSU: CORSAIR Enthusiast Series CMPSU-850TX - $135
Mobo: AS Rock Z68 Extreme4 - $190
CPU: Intel Core i5-2500K Sandy Bridge 3.3GHz - $225
CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-C14 - $89
RAM: G.SKILL Ripjaws X Series 8GB (2x4G) - $85
GPU: SAPPHIRE HD6950 2GB GDDR5 PCI-E reference card - $274
HDD: WD caviar black 1tb 7200 rpm 6g/s - $85
DVD: ASUS 24x DVDwriter - $21
Thermal Compound: Arctic Silver 5 Thermal Compound - $12
Card-Reader: Rosewill RCR-IC002 74-in-1 - $15
Extra Case Fans: Antec 761345-75121-6 120mm Case Fan x3 - $17 each

Subtotal: $1283

OS: Home Premium - $ 189
Monitor: Asus VE228H Monitor - $150
Keyboard/Mouse Bundle: Microsoft SideWinder X8 Black 12 Buttons Tilt Wheel 2.4GHz Wireless Gaming Mouse and Microsoft SideWinder X4 Keyboard - $82

New Total: $1704

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Overclocking: Likely on CPU less likely on RAM


SLI or Crossfire: Maybe in the future


Monitor Resolution: 1920x1080 and/or 1920x1200 and/or 2560x1600


Additional Comments:
> I'm also considering the Coolermaster Hyper 212+ or the Noctua NH-D14 whose fan arrangement is likely better for a mid tower.
> I'd considered adding a smaller (60-120GB) SSD for an SRT array, but I'll wait till prices stabilize.
> May get two monitors
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June 10, 2011 7:44:29 PM

at that price you could go for a corair H60, which is still just as good just cheaper. (it can still get the 2600K to 5.2Ghz (with high temps ofcourse), which i doubt you will be doing!) and is also a low noise cooler.

a Hyper 212+ would be much cheaper than the noctua you listed, and would still be able to OC that 2500K to around 4.7Ghz quite easily.
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June 10, 2011 7:46:15 PM

thanks ps3

I'm going to edit to add the extra fans I'll pick up just in case
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June 10, 2011 7:49:47 PM

a bigger fan but smaller back vent - I need to see if I can get a feel for how hot that will run since mine is a mid tower
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June 10, 2011 7:55:36 PM

Also you are the second person to recommend the HIS.

Is there a reason besides price? I've understood Sapphire to be one of the most reliable makers out there.
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June 10, 2011 7:57:41 PM

Draneico said:
a bigger fan but smaller back vent - I need to see if I can get a feel for how hot that will run since mine is a mid tower


well to give you an idea, i have a small M-ATX case, with 2xgts450s in SLI, a stock 2500K and stock HSF, with one 120mm front fan, one 92mm back fan and one 120mm PSU fan and i get CPU temps of around 59-61C under load and system temps around 38C, this is with all the fans running at 7V (quite low).
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June 10, 2011 8:01:16 PM

Draneico said:
Also you are the second person to recommend the HIS.

Is there a reason besides price? I've understood Sapphire to be one of the most reliable makers out there.


well both run at the SAME clock and memory speeds, there is practically no difference beetween them. if you have good experience with sapphire or want to stick with sapphire then do so, the sapphire is also a great card. just that the HIS has the same performance for a lower price.
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June 10, 2011 8:14:30 PM

I just realized a mistake in my build: I only need the thermal compound with the Coolermaster - the Noctua's come with a very good NT-H1. That actually makes the Coolermaster's real cost $52 - still $38 cheaper than the Noctua.

I'm likely to justify the Noctua's extra cost not just because its a superior and quieter cooler (which you pay for) but I really do have a soft spot for the name. Call me sentimental. Now if it were a bad cooler, I'd likely say bunk with sentimentality. But I suppose whatever helps me sleep at night.

Thanks for the advice on the cards. I'll definitely give it serious consideration.
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June 10, 2011 8:31:29 PM

On the GPU: I had wanted a reference card so that I might unlock the 6950 to a 6970

As far as I can tell there are only two reference cards in stock at newegg and they are $290-300

VisionTek 900352
and
DIAMOND 6950PE52G

what do you think - should I really be concerned that it will stay a 6950?
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June 10, 2011 8:40:41 PM

Draneico said:
On the GPU: I had wanted a reference card so that I might unlock the 6950 to a 6970

As far as I can tell there are only two reference cards in stock at newegg and they are $290-300

VisionTek 900352
and
DIAMOND 6950PE52G

what do you think - should I really be concerned that it will stay a 6950?


if your looking to flash it to a 6970, i would reccommend the HIS even more, it has one of the highest success rates, whereas the sapphire had the most failed flashes:
http://www.techpowerup.com/articles/overclocking/vidcar...
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June 11, 2011 12:40:37 AM

The HIS don't seem to unlock anymore. So buy a 6970 right out or just be content with a 6950.

If you don't need the system right now, wait for some deals, that'll help with the PSU & RAM at the very least.

Parts Preferences:
Case: Fractal Design Define R3 - $100
Okay, that's your preference.

PSU: CORSAIR Enthusiast Series CMPSU-850TX - $135
Great PSU, I bought mine for $90. Wait for a deal because $135 is REALLY high.

Mobo: AS Rock Z68 Extreme4 - $190
Yeah, it's a good (and not cheap) mobo.

CPU: Intel Core i5-2500K Sandy Bridge 3.3GHz - $208
Go on Amazon.com to get it for $203+$5 shipping. But if Video editing is a priority, get the i7-2600K.

CPU Cooler: Tuniq Tower 120 Extreme - $60
All measurements indicate it will fit in your case at 150.7mm in height. Same performance, less noise: http://www.frostytech.com/articleview.cfm?articleid=256...

RAM: G.SKILL Ripjaws X Series 8GB (2x4G) - $75
It's $75 so often. Just wait a couple days and keep an eye on check slickdeals.net.

GPU: SAPPHIRE HD6950 2GB GDDR5 PCI-E reference card - $274

HDD: Samsung Spinpoint F3 1TB - $60
Unless you can tell me why a Caviar Black is better, you should get one of these. 3GB/s is just as good as 6GB/s with HDDs.

DVD: ASUS 24x DVDwriter - $21

Thermal Compound: Arctic Silver 5 Thermal Compound - $7 shipped
Try Amazon.com. It's $3.50 + $3 shipping

Card-Reader: Rosewill RCR-IC002 74-in-1 - $15
74? That's a lot of cards! I personally find USB adapters much more reliable.

Extra Case Fans: Antec 761345-75121-6 120mm Case Fan x3 - $17 each
Seriously, $51 on extra case fans? Your case comes with a couple. All you need to add is one by the HDD bay, right? Or do you need one on the window too? Either way, $5 fans will probably do more than enough. Just look at the CFM and noise ratings. If your house isn't completely silent (I have fans or an A/C on), then typical quiet fans are good enough.


So my bottom line: Save some cash by waiting on deals over the next two weeks, buying parts as they come up. You'll end up with a better system for the same budget. Also, some of your items are unnecessarily not cheap at all.
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June 11, 2011 1:06:38 AM

thanks dalauder - I likely will wait out for deals - just need more discipline ;) 

I also just picked up my wife a laptop from techbargains.com

Thanks also to ps3hacker12.

You've both been a great help.
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June 11, 2011 1:06:48 AM

Best answer selected by Draneico.
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June 11, 2011 2:21:31 AM

on the card reader, my wife would really like one, and its only $15 - I prefer USB hookups myself as well.

I have found an EVGA Superclock 570 after rebates and coupon codes for $290 using www.dealigg.com. I believe that will be my card.
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June 11, 2011 2:53:36 PM

A GTX 570's a great card and that price earlier today got my attention as well (saw it on slickdeals). I'd still get the HIS Radeon 6950 2GB that's $232 after rebates because it'll match or beat the 570 in crossfire anyhow--which you'll be doing in the next couple months anyways and it'll save you $80 when you do that.

That extra $140 in your pocket will cover a 120GB SSD in 3 months (At least I figure a Corsair Force or OCZ Vertex 2 will be at that price by then). Then just post on the forums for a cheap 8800 for a PhysX card and the Radeons can do 99% of what you'd do with GeForces.

I'd personally go with the 6970's at your budget though. The GTX 570 at $290 is an amazing buy, so I can't really act like that's not an excellent choice.
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June 11, 2011 3:24:52 PM

Here's the laptop I ended up getting for my wife.

Much better than the netbook - that was awesome advice you gave me. Is it a perfect laptop? maybe not, but its perfect for her needs at at under $280 after rebates a steal.

On the GPU, I'm likely looking for a nice synergy on the low prices for the whole rig, with the power really being the hold up now. I'm probably going to spend sometime this afternoon looking into alternatives.

Even though I have a $1300 budget - coming under is just fine ;) 

And then there is this little optimizing puzzle: I want to get as much via newegg (or any other single source) so that I can role them into the computer loan through work. Once I add in all my peripherals, OS, and two monitors I end up just under the $1800 total cap on newegg - give or take $75 depending on the exact choices (ie if I go 570 vs 6950 or change out the HDD or RAM). Additional purchases in the future will have to balance against normal household needs, so there is not certainty in 3 months I can get another GPU or SSD -- I'd really like to try out the SSD in SRT array, but I might need to be spending the $120 on shoes or something - you know the responsibilities of parenthood - kids are much more expensive than computers (and worth every penny). So I also have to consider the chance I won't be adding on/upgrading for some time.
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June 11, 2011 4:38:41 PM

That laptop will work. It's not the one I'd choose, but I have a tendency to bump the budget up higher. I'd have gone i3-380M for $399. But so long as you get the rebate, yours will beat a similarly priced netbook, especially on graphics.

Optimization--In that case, go Newegg and GTX 570. If you get a chance, try to find some PSU or RAM deals. I have three Samsung Spinpoint F3 1TB's--just so you know that I buy the parts I recommend to others.

If you bought today, these are the PSU and RAM I'd get (prices include rebates):

If 850W: $110 Antec High Current Gamer Series HCG-900 900W http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Review: http://www.jonnyguru.com/modules.php?name=NDReviews&op=...

If 750W: $90 PC Power & Cooling Silencer Mk II 750W 80+ Silver http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
or
$90 (no rebate) Antec EarthWatts EA750 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

A 750W should do the job admirably. The Antec 750W is SLI certified for dual GTX 470's, which have almost identical power draw. PC Power & Cooling is a top tier brand that's normally out of the mainstream pricerange: http://www.eggxpert.com/forums/thread/323050.aspx
I'd personally get the 900W Antec because I like overkill--to be clear, it's overkill.

RAM: $75 Patriot Viper Xtreme 8GB (2 x 4GB)1866 CL9 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Keep in mind that speed tends to matter more than latency with Sandy Bridge. I have a link at work somewhere.

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June 11, 2011 5:00:16 PM

Thanks dalauder for the help on the psu. I like the looks of that Antec850 (since it holds the door open for potential SLI later).

I'm sold on the Samsungs.

On the laptop - that is all she needs (surfing and word processing - viewing pictures and online TV at highest demand) and I thought the best bang for buck.

I'd missed those RAM sticks, nice 25% rebate! great find.
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