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June 10, 2011 5:58:04 PM


Approximate Purchase Date: Within a week

Budget Range: $1,300 - $1,600 Before Rebates

System Usage from Most to Least Important: Gaming (MMO’s and new games at full settings), Video editing, occasional light CS5

Parts Not Required: keyboard, mouse, monitor, speakers, OS

Preferred Website(s) for Parts: Newegg.com or Microcenter (in-store)

Country of Origin: USA

Parts Preferences: GeForce cards and Intel chip only. I like Antec cases, but not required. Other than that, I’m open to suggestions.

Overclocking: Yes, assuming it’s fairly straight forward. But need suggestions, OC just the CPU?

SLI or Crossfire: Not right now, but need option for adding vid card later

Monitor Resolution: 1680x1050, 1920x1200 now, but may go bigger soon

Additional Comments: I like to say that I’ll upgrade, but really, I won’t (besides adding a 2nd vid card at some point possibly). I just tend to run them until I upgrade an entire new machine, then give away my old one to a family member. That being said, feel free to suggest changes to my build. Ie: if I really should get the 2600k if I plan to keep this for the next 4 or 5 years.

So here are my specific questions:

Case:
I was hoping to shrink down from a full tower as my space is limited. Is that an issue for the size of the vid card or cooling if I overclock? Is there somewhere I can check to make sure my card will fit if nobody knows?
If I go with a mid tower, would I then move to the micro atx mobo? If so, have any suggestions on a good mid tower case that hopefully has front opening fan/filters? I got suggestions of the In Win Dragon Slayer case and the Antec Dark Fleet as possible options. That's one of my requirements is I want to be able to open the front and clean the fan filters without shutting down.

Motherboard:
Should I move to the Z68? Is there any advantage? I read that it’s only an advantage if you don’t use SSD, which I have an SSD drive that I’ll use for the OS, but not sure how that statement makes sense, does the board have onboard SSD that it uses for caching instead of the HD if you want?

CPU:
I read a few places that overclocking the CPU should be pretty easy and can be kept at safe levels. I’ve never done so, but want to this time. Is that true? And if so, is the Coolermaster sufficient cooling? Do I really need to use that diamond paste?

Cooling:
Is that Cooler Master sufficient for an OC'd CPU?

Cost:
Based on how I know I end up just letting my PC be until I build a new one, I'd rather get it right then cheap, so I'm willing to spend more if it make sense.

Appearance:
Lastly, I didn’t think it mattered until I started building and now I like how most stuff I have picked is red. Except the mobo and power, so if there is a comparable part, I’d consider it just for color! Sad.. I know. heh

Thank you very much for any and all comments/suggestions!

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Antec DF-85 Black ATX Full Tower Computer Case - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

ASUS P8P67 PRO (REV 3.0) LGA 1155 Intel P67 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Intel Core i5-2500K Sandy Bridge 3.3GHz (3.7GHz Turbo Boost) 4 x 256KB L2 Cache 6MB L3 Cache LGA 1155 95W Quad-Core Desktop Processor BX80623I52500K - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

CORSAIR HX Series CMPSU-750HX 750W ATX12V 2.3 / EPS12V 2.91 SLI Ready CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS SILVER Certified Modular Active PFC Power Supply - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

G.SKILL Ripjaws X Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model F3-12800CL9D-8GBXL - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

EVGA SuperClocked 01G-P3-1563-AR GeForce GTX 560 Ti (Fermi) 1GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Support Video Card - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

COOLER MASTER Hyper N 520 RR-920-N520-GP 92mm Sleeve CPU Cooler Intel Core i7 compatible - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Western Digital Caviar Black WD5002AALX 500GB 7200 RPM 32MB Cache SATA 6.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Crucial RealSSD C300 CTFDDAC064MAG-1G1 2.5" 64GB SATA III MLC Internal Solid State Drive (SSD) - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

SIIG AC-TG0112-S1 Ultra Chill Diamond Thermal Grease - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

SAMSUNG 22X DVD±R DVD Burner 22X DVD+R 8X DVD+RW 16X DVD+R DL 22X DVD-R 6X DVD-RW 16X DVD-ROM 48X CD-R 32X CD-RW 48X CD-ROM Black EIDE / ATAPI Model SH-S222A - OEM - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Shopping/ShoppingItem.aspx?ItemLi...

June 11, 2011 12:52:24 AM

i5 2500k 225$- http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

nzxt phantom 119$- http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... -there is a red one at amazon and you wont get hosed by shipping

asrock p67 extreme4 165.50$- http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

corsair tx 850 120$- http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

hyper 212 plus 30$- http://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/B002G1YPH0/ref=d... (the one for 29.51$

samsung spinpoint f3 1tb 60$- http://www.amazon.com/Samsung-Spinpoint-Cache-Desktop-H...

Crucial m4 220$- http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=E...

SAMSUNG CD/DVD Burner 22X 17$- http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

XFX HD-697A-CNFC Radeon HD 6970 2GB 320$- http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

why would you go with the 560 ti if you have so much money to spend? the 6970 in cf compares to 580 sli for 200$ less!!
June 12, 2011 2:40:20 AM

Trying to stay away from Radeon because I've had more than one bad experience with their cards and customer service.
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June 12, 2011 2:52:18 AM

If ya want red colors on mobo check Biostar products...mainly just the ram slots that have the color. Don't really know how the performance of those are. Read reviews I guess.
June 12, 2011 7:16:44 PM

Thanks for the comments! So everything else seems like pretty good choices though? Just for a quality build, not just color. Thanks.
June 12, 2011 11:37:17 PM

Any comments on my questions I asked? Hoping to make this purchase tomorrow.
June 12, 2011 11:48:41 PM

If what you have up top as your updated components then I say you are good to go. Good luck. Come back if any problems while building.
June 12, 2011 11:55:35 PM

You can probably get away with a mid tower. Most cases specify the how long of a graphics card they can accommodate, and you can find the dimensions of the graphics card on it's respective spec sheet.

I've got no idea what nonsense you heard about Z68. P67 allows overclocking, H67 allows the CPU's integrated graphics to function, and Z68 does both.

As for overclocking, I can't really recommend it if you're looking for 5 year longevity, but yes, you do need Thermal Interface Material to mate the heatsink with the processor... unless you want to fry it in ten seconds. It doesn't have to be that particular product, but you do need thermal grease/compound.
June 13, 2011 12:02:54 AM

If your looking for some sort of longevity from the system then do not overclock from the start. There is really no need to have to OC the 2500k or 2600k because of their turbo boost speeds. The processor is fast enough to do whatever you like just need to back it with a good gpu. As time goes by and faster processors come out and games that really need that type of speed then you could start to overclock. I don't think it would really hurt in in the long run if you hold off for a while and then do it.
June 13, 2011 12:03:36 AM

thetraveler359 said:
Trying to stay away from Radeon because I've had more than one bad experience with their cards and customer service.

that was back then if you want good service get a xfx card and they come with a lifetime warranty so no worries
June 13, 2011 12:05:22 AM

jeremy1183 said:
If your looking for some sort of longevity from the system then do not overclock from the start. There is really no need to have to OC the 2500k or 2600k because of their turbo boost speeds. The processor is fast enough to do whatever you like just need to back it with a good gpu. As time goes by and faster processors come out and games that really need that type of speed then you could start to overclock. I don't think it would really hurt in in the long run if you hold off for a while and then do it.

for the tougher games you will want to have your cpu oc'd to 4.2 ghz which is really easy.
June 13, 2011 12:13:27 AM

yeah Alien VS Predator ,Crysis and Crysis Warhead, Metro 2033, ARMA II,Far Cry 2, GTA4 STALKER Clear Sky and Call of Pripyat
June 13, 2011 12:55:53 AM

what? why did you just name games?
June 13, 2011 12:58:42 AM

Just listing some of the tough ones in case he was interested in playing any so he would know it was advised to OC
June 13, 2011 2:38:47 AM

not sure why it's listed twice...cause by specs it's exactly the same thing....more than likely its the warranty option
June 13, 2011 3:16:07 AM

Honestly I'd much rather have a 570 and add another down the line, over 460's in SLI. If we're even thinking about multiple cards, it might as well be 560s in SLI. The 400 series was a bit of a nightmare.
June 13, 2011 9:33:38 AM

They've got the i5 2500k at microcenter for like 194 with tax as a sale I believe, might wanna hop on that if you wanna do some money saving.

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June 13, 2011 11:16:04 AM
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Graphics: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
GTX 570; EVGA stock levels, $285 AR. You save $35 buy overclocking yourself... Why pay them $35 to do a very modest overclock!? Adding the 2nd card and you save $70! I'm really hoping you'll change this.. it makes no sense to buy the superclocked version at such a price difference.

Power supply: The HX 750W is pushing it for GTX 570's, especially since they are overclocked. At max, 2 570's oc'd push around 600w. That leaves 150W for the rest of the components (yes the hx 750 is very high quality and can push above 750w), but it's better to buy a bigger psu in this case, especially if it is cheaper. It's of a red colour too.. well.. mainly red.

http://www.jonnyguru.com/modules.php?name=NDReviews&op=...
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
$110AR. 900w, non modular, similiar quality to the hx 750w, although the hx 750w is modular and the hcg900 is not. STill, $20 less, and rated 150w higher. It'll perform exceptionally well - 85% of people on newegg give it 5/5, so it hasn't been blowing up too often obviously. This is a really good deal in comparison to the hx 750..

RAM: What you've got is one of the better current deals on newegg, and is probably better than the one im going to show you, but im only showing this to you.. tempting isn't it? http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... Don't need to change this, but think it over - Can boast of your mega fast ram, and its actually at a great price for 2133mhz ram.

2133MHZ ram, for $15 more (Same brand/series), free 2gb usb. Its faster, but not much so in real life terms. Can tighten the timings lots and make it squeeze 2-3 fps more at max..

HDD: A required change here; http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
$5 more, 500GB more. Faster, better yada yada yada. This is the HDD recommended by all of us tom's forummers so im rather surprised noones mentioned it in this thread (Or have they, only did a skim read over other posts).

SSD: If you can free up money, (i haven't added up the parts..sorry!), or have some left over, it is definitely worthy to let you know that larger SSD's (As in say a 500gb ssd), are significantly faster than smaller ssd's (i.e. your 64gb one). So a crucial c300 64GB is slower than a c300 240gb (If there is one of those.). Much much much slower. So if you can free up money, not only does the $ per GB of SSD space come down (a bit), but the effectiveness of the SSD increases a LOT.

The i5 2500k = 99% of an i7 2600k in gaming.. or actually 100% of +-0.1%... whatever. You get the point. Get the i5 2500k from your microcenter, or the i5 2500 if you don't want to overclock (Get rid of the cpu coolant if you aren't overclocking..). That said, the i5 2500k/i7 2600k overclock like beasts (They also overclock to the same level, so no, the i7 2600k doesn't win in overclocking either... tsk tsk). and at microcenter, processors are a lot cheaper. Check out other deals as well.. microcenter have curious prices... both high and low for various products. But for processors, they kick neweggs butt 365 days outta 365 (366 for leap year :D ).
June 13, 2011 5:55:20 PM

Fantastic, thanks for the responses.

vibhas: What exactly does that mean that one PSU is modular and other is not?

I plan to OC the CPU, but if it's easy to OC the Vid card as well, than yea, I'll definitely switch and just get the 570 and do it myself.

The RAM looks like a great deal, but what does it actually mean that the one I picked says "Designed for P67 boards"? Yours doesn't, so just checking. Also, yea, i see the timing is higher on that RAM, but again, if it's relatively straight forward, I can do that myself too.

Can't afford too much in the SSD, I just figured any SSD will certainly be better running the OS than disks, and this one was a recommendation by someone.

Yea, MC certainly is cheaper, even with tax, on the 2500k. Thanks.

Thanks for the HD suggestion. The second poster was only one to suggest it, it looks like, but he suggested I go with Radeon (and pretty much changed everything else), so I guess I didn't look that close at it. Sorry mjmjpfaff!



Would love to know a good resource for OC'ing the CPU, Vid card and RAM. :) 

June 13, 2011 5:59:00 PM

Oh, also, vibhas, you said the Spinpoint is faster, but the WD I picked has 6.0Gb/s and the Spinpoint is 3.0Gb/s. What am I missing?
June 13, 2011 7:34:19 PM

thetraveler359 said:
Fantastic, thanks for the responses.

vibhas: What exactly does that mean that one PSU is modular and other is not?

Modular means that the cables you're not using can be unplugged from the power supply. It's convenient, so you don't have the extra cables curled up at the bottom of the case or wherever, but it's not necessary. There's generally a bit of a price premium for modular power supplies.

The RAM looks like a great deal, but what does it actually mean that the one I picked says "Designed for P67 boards"? Yours doesn't, so just checking. Also, yea, i see the timing is higher on that RAM, but again, if it's relatively straight forward, I can do that myself too.

"Designed for xxx" is just a marketing gimmick. Though, I not sure how I feel about that RAM. Both CAS latency and timings are high.

Can't afford too much in the SSD, I just figured any SSD will certainly be better running the OS than disks, and this one was a recommendation by someone.

You don't have to get a big SSD, a lot of people are using ~120 gigs for boot drives + critical software. It's just that 64 gigs is a tad cramped, considering formatted capacity and the fact that Windows 7 install is 20 gigs by itself.


Edit: I didn't check the links, but the Spinpoint F3 probably has better read/write/seek times. A mechanical drive can't saturate a SATA II line yet (or so the word goes), so SATA III isn't really necessary.
June 13, 2011 7:40:55 PM

thetraveler359 said:
Fantastic, thanks for the responses.

vibhas: What exactly does that mean that one PSU is modular and other is not?

I plan to OC the CPU, but if it's easy to OC the Vid card as well, than yea, I'll definitely switch and just get the 570 and do it myself.

The RAM looks like a great deal, but what does it actually mean that the one I picked says "Designed for P67 boards"? Yours doesn't, so just checking. Also, yea, i see the timing is higher on that RAM, but again, if it's relatively straight forward, I can do that myself too.

Can't afford too much in the SSD, I just figured any SSD will certainly be better running the OS than disks, and this one was a recommendation by someone.

Yea, MC certainly is cheaper, even with tax, on the 2500k. Thanks.

Thanks for the HD suggestion. The second poster was only one to suggest it, it looks like, but he suggested I go with Radeon (and pretty much changed everything else), so I guess I didn't look that close at it. Sorry mjmjpfaff!



Would love to know a good resource for OC'ing the CPU, Vid card and RAM. :) 


thetraveler359 said:
And also, I think I will go with genghiskron's suggestion:

GIGABYTE GA-P67A-UD4-B3 LGA 1155 Intel P67 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard - Retail http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

It's all black to fit the black/red theme. Thanks.

modular means that there is cable management.. so its more organized (the wires)
its rathr easy to oc gpu
designed for p67 boards means nothing....nothing is designed for anything. Just pick 1.5volt ram (not 1.65) for p67 boards and you'll be fine..
sure your budget, not mine
the HDD spinpoint may be 3.0gbps, but that doesn't matter. Even SSD's don't saturate the 6.0gbps... its just a marketing gimmick, like saying that 'Our car CAN go up to 1000km/h without blowing up' - it might not blow up at that speed, but it certainly can't go that fast...
June 13, 2011 8:39:06 PM

thetraveler359 said:
Fantastic, thanks for the responses.

vibhas: What exactly does that mean that one PSU is modular and other is not?

I plan to OC the CPU, but if it's easy to OC the Vid card as well, than yea, I'll definitely switch and just get the 570 and do it myself.

The RAM looks like a great deal, but what does it actually mean that the one I picked says "Designed for P67 boards"? Yours doesn't, so just checking. Also, yea, i see the timing is higher on that RAM, but again, if it's relatively straight forward, I can do that myself too.

Can't afford too much in the SSD, I just figured any SSD will certainly be better running the OS than disks, and this one was a recommendation by someone.

Yea, MC certainly is cheaper, even with tax, on the 2500k. Thanks.

Thanks for the HD suggestion. The second poster was only one to suggest it, it looks like, but he suggested I go with Radeon (and pretty much changed everything else), so I guess I didn't look that close at it. Sorry mjmjpfaff!



Would love to know a good resource for OC'ing the CPU, Vid card and RAM. :) 


if you are going with the 570 look into the 6970 in crossfire it beats out 570 sli and it is close to being on par with 580 sli :) .

the asrock board i posted has all the same features as the asus but it is less $.

the corsair tx 850 is enough for 6970 cf

the hyper 212 plus cools better than the one you originally posted

the nzxt phantom is cheaper and offers very good cooling and way better cable management

the crucial m4 64 gigabyte is cheaper and faster and you have enough money for the 128gb version





June 14, 2011 4:35:47 AM

mjmjpfaff said:
if you are going with the 570 look into the 6970 in crossfire it beats out 570 sli and it is close to being on par with 580 sli :) .

the asrock board i posted has all the same features as the asus but it is less $.

the corsair tx 850 is enough for 6970 cf

the hyper 212 plus cools better than the one you originally posted

the nzxt phantom is cheaper and offers very good cooling and way better cable management

the crucial m4 64 gigabyte is cheaper and faster and you have enough money for the 128gb version

Err what? HD 6970 cf close to gtx 580 sli?
someones gotten ahead of themselves a little bit... please offer proof before you say something that... unrealistic!
The tx 850w is good, but more expensive $125 AR, and 50 less watts.

Yeah, hyper 212 is good, but perhaps its better to buy from amazon (cheaper)

Case: Let him decide what looks best :) 
SSD benches pl0x
June 14, 2011 5:07:25 AM

you have'nt heard that before?? amd is beating nvidia in the duel card setup. 6950 cf runs very close to 570 sli and 6970 cf runs very close to 580 sli. put simply in duel card setup amd card jump up a weight class. and it isn't.......unrealistic! :p 
June 14, 2011 1:37:29 PM

Well, here is where I am on probably the final build:

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Antec DF-85 Black ATX Full Tower Computer Case
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Core i5 2500K LGA 1155 Boxed Processor
http://www.microcenter.com/single_product_results.phtml...

Antec High Current Gamer Series HCG-900 900W ATX12V v2.3 / EPS12V v2.91 SLI Certified CrossFire Certified 80 PLUS BRONZE Certified Active PFC Power Supply
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

GIGABYTE GA-P67A-UD4-B3 LGA 1155 Intel P67 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Crucial RealSSD C300 CTFDDAC064MAG-1G1 2.5" 64GB SATA III MLC Internal Solid State Drive (SSD)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

SAMSUNG Spinpoint F3 HD103SJ 1TB 7200 RPM 32MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

EVGA 012-P3-1571-KR GeForce GTX 570 HD w/Display-Port (Fermi) 1280MB 320-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Support Video Card
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

G.SKILL Ripjaws X Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model F3-12800CL9D-8GBXL
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

COOLER MASTER Hyper 212 Plus RR-B10-212P-G1 "Heatpipe Direct Contact" Long Life Sleeve 120mm CPU Cooler Compatible Intel Core i5 & Intel Core i7
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

SAMSUNG 22X DVD±R DVD Burner 22X DVD+R 8X DVD+RW 16X DVD+R DL 22X DVD-R 6X DVD-RW 16X DVD-ROM 48X CD-R 32X CD-RW 48X CD-ROM Black EIDE / ATAPI Model SH-S222A - OEM
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...


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I thought about going with one of these for RAM instead because they're both on sale for a great price, but I don't think I want to mess with OCing the RAM. It doesn't seem like it's quite as easy and has more potential for issues/headaches/etc. Correct me if I'm wrong though!



http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...




Thank you! For all the comments and help, guys. Seriously, it's been too long since I built a system so I was getting out of touch and it's been fun getting back up to speed some. Part of why I decided I'm going to go ahead and OC, even if it shortens component life. It wouldn't be so terrible to "have to" build a new system or get updated parts in a couple years. :) 

June 14, 2011 6:55:58 PM

if you actually read reviews on that psu vibhas yoou would see that it has problems and isnt really a 900w psu. the corsair is more reliable and is actually 850w.

the hyper 212 plus is 10$ cheaper at amazon OP

the crucial m4 64gb is faster OP i already told you that

i would get that 1866 ram because it is cheaper.

OP did you read that the 6970 in crossfire is superior to 570 sli? i guess you didn't. so why dont you change that to a 6970.
June 14, 2011 8:29:59 PM

thank you brpeden82
June 15, 2011 2:27:45 AM

mjmjpfaff said:
if you actually read reviews on that psu vibhas yoou would see that it has problems and isnt really a 900w psu. the corsair is more reliable and is actually 850w.

the hyper 212 plus is 10$ cheaper at amazon OP

the crucial m4 64gb is faster OP i already told you that

i would get that 1866 ram because it is cheaper.

OP did you read that the 6970 in crossfire is superior to 570 sli? i guess you didn't. so why dont you change that to a 6970.


I appreciate your comments, but I don't know what you're talking about, I don't read anything about Radeon, because I already told you, I don't like them as they have screwed me over twice, both on hardware and support. I live on principle and I refuse to support them.
June 15, 2011 3:37:45 AM

ok. your choice.
June 20, 2011 9:07:32 AM

mjmjpfaff said:
if you actually read reviews on that psu vibhas yoou would see that it has problems and isnt really a 900w psu. the corsair is more reliable and is actually 850w.

the hyper 212 plus is 10$ cheaper at amazon OP

the crucial m4 64gb is faster OP i already told you that

i would get that 1866 ram because it is cheaper.

OP did you read that the 6970 in crossfire is superior to 570 sli? i guess you didn't. so why dont you change that to a 6970.

Ooooh touchy .. ive read 6 reviews on that, of the 8 units reviewed (2 of the reviewers had 2 units; jonny had 2 on hand, so did hardocp).

6/8 psu's reviewed had RADIATING glowing MEGA POSITIVE reviews, and the 2 psus from hardocp were negative. That's not the best results in the world, i admit, but the folks at newegg aren't complaining about bust units, and the reviews from the other sites were soooo positive that.. well.. its entirely feasible that hardocp got 2 bad units...



Yea, it is $10 cheaper, or cheaper at the least.
the 6970 cf is better than i expected, but it is a fair chunk away from the 580.. plus the fact that well... $640 vs $780... vs $590... (6970cf vs 580SLI vs 570SLI) and most would pick the 570sli.

Probably the OP should go with 1 570 and see if they need another, esp since they have a pet hate of 6970
June 22, 2011 1:04:39 PM

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