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June 11, 2011 6:38:15 PM

I still am unsure if i should build my own computer or buy a premade. I have never built my own before so i still have some reservations about how much risk i would be putting into it.

I have about a 600 dollar budget for a tower. I have heard that a intel based cpu is the way to go but amd has good bang for the buck. What are your t houghts?

Ive never overclocked my computer before and would like to with my new rig. Would it be worth getting a slightly cheaper cpu to boost overclocking abilities with either the motherboard or cooling solutions? If so an example would be awsome!

I want my new computer to beable to play diablo 3, sc2 and dota 2 im really not to worried about any other games out there.

That being said i believe a 1gb dedicated video card is a must? If it isnt please let me know.

Also i was wondering if maybe buying a cheap sdd for my os would be a good choice?

The basic things i want from this rig is it to beable to play the above games listed on good settings at least. Expandability and upgradeability are a must. Also overclocking friendly would be a plus, since ive never done it before.

example builds would be great since i dont really know whats compatible with what and motherboard names confuse the crap outa me.

so any advice would be helpful. thanks

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June 11, 2011 7:06:15 PM

If you want the best performance a sandy bridge cpu is for you. However, the only 2 sandy bridge cpus that are overclockable are not really in your budget. You'd be best off with the i3 2100 which is not overclockable. You can go the AMD route and get a x4 900 series which is but even overclocked they perform worse for gaming.

The other negative would be the motherboard. Intel decided to screw over people and create 3 different chips for their sandy bridge cpus. The H61/67 boards don't allow cpu overclocking but does allow integrated gpu/quicksync, the p67 board allows overclocking but no integrated gpu/quick sync, and the z68 boards allow overclocking, quick sync, integrated gpu, and ssd caching. Generally you'd pair up the i3 2100 with a H61/67 board since you can utilize the overclocking but if you want to keep that you'll have to pay a bit more for a better motherboard.

That said, my build for you would be:

i3 2100 $125

GA-Z68A-D3H-B3 $130

Corsair 750W $110

Antec Three Hundred $55

SAMSUNG Spinpoint F3 HD103SJ 1TB 7200 RPM $65

G.SKILL 4GB (2 x 2GB) $45

Radeon HD 6850 1GB $160

total: $690 Doesn't include monitor/keyboard/mouse/OS (don't know if you you need those as well).

Can go cheaper on motherboard and psu. Went with higher so that you can upgrade to an overclockable cpu and have the option for a second graphics card. I'm sure I'm also missing something else on this >.< in which case I might have to redo this anyway.
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June 11, 2011 7:18:13 PM

great overclockable system, great for the future too:
ASUS DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS Black SATA 24X DVD Burner - Bulk - OEM
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Antec Three Hundred Illusion Black Steel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case

Antec Three Hundred Illusion Black Steel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case
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Western Digital Caviar Blue WD5000AAKX 500GB 7200 RPM SATA 6.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive

Western Digital Caviar Blue WD5000AAKX 500GB 7200 RPM SATA 6.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive
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ASRock 890FX DELUXE5 AM3+ AMD 890FX SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX AMD Motherboard

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ASUS CuCore Series EAH5770 CuCore/2DI/1GD5 Radeon HD 5770 1GB 128-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.1 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFireX Support Video Card

ASUS CuCore Series EAH5770 CuCore/2DI/1GD5 Radeon HD 5770 1GB 128-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.1 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFireX Support ...
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Antec NEO ECO 620C 620W Continuous Power ATX12V v2.3 / EPS12V 80 PLUS Certified Active PFC Power Supply

Antec NEO ECO 620C 620W Continuous Power ATX12V v2.3 / EPS12V 80 PLUS Certified Active PFC Power Supply
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Mushkin Enhanced Silverline 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model 996946

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AMD Phenom II X4 955 Black Edition Deneb 3.2GHz Socket AM3 125W Quad-Core Processor HDZ955FBGMBOX

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June 12, 2011 3:55:43 AM

sorry i didnt clarify in original post but yes i do need an OS for this rig, unfourtanetly. I want to make sure i get a system that i can upgrade with a ssd drive in the future so i can increase speed. I dont know if that hs to deal with the motherboard or the case.

Is the i3 really worth getting over an amd phenom? Is it still better even though you can overclock the amd processor??

I appreciate the help a lot. I jsut wanna make sure i get a first builder friendly case so that i dont run into any snags.

Is ati the way to go for graphics card or is nvidia still king as it was when i last got a computer???

is the samsung harddrive worth getting over the WD mentioned?

thanks for help. ALSO need to know what kind of thing i might need to assemble the computer itself. as in a tool kit.
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June 12, 2011 4:03:38 AM

Ok, so.... your budget is 500$? And what do you mean "i don't know if that HS to deal"
As for questions
i3 2100 > 955 stock performance. i3 2100 = 955 OC performance. If you OC the 955 it'll be great, but you fork up money to buy a HSF and some thermal paste.

Building a computer with any case is easy. You just need to know righty tighty lefty loosey. Unless of course you don't know that, or you don't have screwdriver.

ATI is gone, it's AMD now. Radeon is the reminence of ATI's naming system, but AMD has basically revamped it. Neither company is better than the other, the only thing is how much you pay. Both is about equal AMD is better for the cheaper end though as Nvidia fails to impress with the hot and power hungry 450 GTS, overpriced 550 Ti, and weak renamed 53x/54x cards.

Samsung > WD. All WD is, is its name. Its reliability doesn't even compare to Samsungs.
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/hdd-reliability-sto...

You don't need a tool kit. All you need is:
- A Philips Screwdriver
- Hands
- Brain
- Eyes
- Internet (Troubleshoot or looking for guides on Youtube)
Basically it.
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June 12, 2011 4:12:03 AM

its a 600 dollar budget and plz dont suggest that i suffer from stupidity in your posts.

I was told i could get help and info here. I am just asking any question i can think of so that when everything comes down to it can be comfortable with building the rig on my own.

Good to know that the samsung is a better hard drive but would like to know specifically why u know.

Also still wondering about what is needed for an ssd drive upgradeability in the rig?

appreciate the help.

Also does the brand of memory matter at all? like are some weaker to overclock or what. if anyone knows that would be a huge help.

and lastly in ur opinion is getting a sli or crossfire ready mobo and graphics card worth it? or is it not that big of a deal

thanks again!
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June 12, 2011 6:18:05 AM

I wasn't suggest that you were stupid.

I was wondering if your budget for PARTS was 500$. Also I was just wondering what "HS" was. It defiantly doesn't mean headshot.

I'm assuming you're are telling me to list sources? The question is worded a bit weird.
http://www.tomshardware.com/charts/2009-3.5-desktop-har...

SSD upgradability is possible for every system. It just depends if you are willing to format your system, since you'd need to reinstall windows. Unless that is not what you are asking.

Brand doesn't matter, though sometimes it does. Memory doesn't need to be expensive, G.Skill generally makes the best lower priced memory, but Corsair has deals sometimes and so does Mushkin. The seperation is speeds/timings/voltages that's about it. From DDR3 1333 to 1600 there is virtually no difference which is why 1333 is good enough.

SLI/Crossfire leave for an upgrade path, however some people may not want to go with this route and so people use a better single card.




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June 12, 2011 6:34:30 AM

hmm alright thanks for the clarification on brands.

the hs was meant to be has

that article link really helped me understand why its worth the extra money. thanks


is there any other kind of online retailer that is worth looking into other then newegg/amazon???

also what OS would be best for this kind of a rig, where i want to beable to upgrade easily and work smoothly, with a friendly bios interface?



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June 12, 2011 7:12:17 AM

nope, Locally Microcenter should be noted.

Win7 Home Prem. 64bit.
BIOS is given by the company of the motherboard. There is no way to change the BIOS to your own willing.
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June 12, 2011 5:17:20 PM

K so i decided to try and come up with a build on my own. If there is anything here that needs changing let me know. I would still love to get my build back under or closer to 600 it is at 665 as of now.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
i3-2100 3.1ghz sandy bridge 125$

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Xigmatek ASGARD 30$

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
ASROCK P67 EXTREME4 160$

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
radeon 5850 160$

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
windows 7 OS 90$

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
RAIDMAX HYBRID 630W 50$

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Samsung F3 1Tb 7200rpm 65$

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
gskill 4gb(2 X2)1600 45$

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
CD/DVD LG BURNER 20$

im just wondering if its imparitive to get a 1600 memory or does it even matter if i can get cheaper memory and overclock it to 1600 or above? Is this power supply good enough for this rig? Also is there anything wrong with my MOBO choice. Please feel free to comment on my build all feedback is appreciated.
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June 12, 2011 5:26:03 PM

^ Why do you need an Extreme4 when you can't even overclock the 2100? Granted it'll give you futureproofing, on this small of a budget. You should be getting a cheaper motherboard, the money should be put towards the CPU or GPU.
Get this instead.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Also that's a 6850 not a 5850.

As for the PSU, that isn't going to power CF 6850 if you so choose the route later. Get this instead if you plan to CF
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
And this one if you don't plan to.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

The F3 is cheaper off amazon
http://www.amazon.com/Samsung-Spinpoint-Cache-Desktop-H...

I didn't say it was imperative. It doesn't matter about memory clock speed because it barely has an effect on its performance. 1333 to 1600 is probably 1-2% difference, and none in real world.
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June 12, 2011 8:51:54 PM

thanks aznshinobi that post was really helpful.Ya i know its 6850, found that the 6850 is about 10% better then the 6970 when it just costs a little extra so i thought it was the better buy.

k so build is as follows

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
i3-2100 3.1ghz sandy bridge 125$

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Xigmatek ASGARD 30$

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
MSI P67A-G43 125$ after MIR

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
radeon 6850 160$ (with free dirt3)

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
WINDOWS 7 OS 90$ after MIR

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Antec 650W 65$

http://www.amazon.com/Samsung-Spinpoint-Cache-Desktop-H...
Samsung 1tb 7200rpm 60$

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Mushkin 4GB(2X2) 39$

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
CD/DVD LG BURNER 20$


K i think this is pretty good, any suggestions from anyone let me know. FYI i wont be buying all the parts for about 3 more weeks so i will probably come back and get another couple edits on the build if needed the day before i buy the parts. THANKS

btw the build cost is at 714 now. i had made mistake calculation on last build draft. Would still like to bring the price down but i dont really know what i can do.

Again the main things i want from the build is upgradeability, beable to play sc2/d3/dota2, build friendly and cost effective.
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June 12, 2011 8:57:44 PM

Like do u guys really think its imparitive for my build to be crossfire/sli ready? or does it not really matter?
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June 12, 2011 10:10:29 PM

If you don't want it then no you don't need it.
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June 12, 2011 10:30:10 PM

^+1

It'd be good to have option for BF3, though.
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June 14, 2011 2:51:22 AM

K I need a revised build w/o the sli/crossfire ready parts. I dont think i want to go that way its really out of my price range right now so some help with that woudl be fantastic!!!!

i will be gettin a build together myself but would lvoe to see what u guys can come up with also
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June 14, 2011 4:37:21 AM

replacing video card with this i think

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
is 128$ from the 160 on the 6850

do u think its gonna be that much of a performance drop?


http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
this mobo is 80$ from the 125$ i thinks its pretty good but im not really great at identifying a good mobo so i would reallylike some feedback on this.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
i found thsi PSU and thinks its pretty good is 50$ from the antec 65$

will this psu power my build easily? plz let me knwo what ur thoughts are on the changes for these parts
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June 14, 2011 7:08:35 AM

Better off with this.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
The 6770 is rebranded 5770, google it. AMD announced they wouldn't replace Juniper.
5770 vs 6850
http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/296?vs=291
Yes there is quite a large perf drop.

Better mobo
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Are you worried about SATA 3 and USB 3? If not. Get this mobo
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

That's a terrible PSU, not 80+ certified. Old Raidmax PSUs are terrible and I'd never look to them, the newer ones are decent with a manufacturer switch. Never look at a PSU and see the wattage they advertise, look at if they can live up to the efficiency of 80+ standards.

Best bet at a cheaper PSU
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
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June 14, 2011 10:15:44 PM

what is 80+ certified? maybe this will help me tell what is a good psu and what isnt

also what is the benefit of having hdmi on ur mobo?

what is the SATA 3 6GB/S used for? because i wanna make sure i can update to ssd later on and idk if this deals with that or not
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June 14, 2011 10:32:01 PM

.... Google helps sometimes.
http://lmgtfy.com/

80+ is a certification for a PSU's efficiency above the 80% mark.

HDMI is a better quality output for audio and video, it's helpful for monitors (TV screens mainly) that don't have DVI/VGA outputs.

SATA 3 is a format for SSD/HDD usage. You should google this for the explanation.
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June 15, 2011 1:13:56 AM

k i think this is final draft thanks for all ur help shinobi

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
i3-2100 sandybridge 125$

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Xigmatek CASE 30$

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Asrock MOBO 75$

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Radeon 6850 160$

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Windows 7 64bit 90$

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Antec 520W 80 Certified 55$

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Samsung F3 1TB 7200RPM 60$

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Mushkin 4gb 2X2 39$

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
CD/DVD LG BURNER 20$

Grandtotal: 654$ not including shipping but pretty dam solid build i think for the price wouldnt u say?
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