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March 31, 2011 5:56:39 AM

This is not exactly graphics card related but I'm about to pull the trigger on a build that is going to have x-fire 6950(70s) and I'm using an old LG 22" monitor http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... In essence wasting the GPU power I'm getting. I'm really wanting a 2560x1440 or even a 2560x1600 but the prices are just out of my budget given the machine I'm currently building. So, I stumbled across this on NewEgg http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... but I don't think I have the stones to add it to my final cart. Does anyone have any advice one way or the other? Otherwise I'll end up with a 27" 1920X1200 for my new gaming rig.

The bottom line is I have to get a new monitor otherwise I can't justify using those 2 cards, but even with that doublesight monitor I'm $500 overbudget, so I'm trying to decide between a $300-$400ish lower resolution monitor (but still nice/good quality) or roll the dice on this budget busting off brand......decisions decisions

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March 31, 2011 6:14:17 AM

Instead of a larger monitor have you considered getting 2 more 22" 1680x1050 monitors for Eyefinity? They should be about $150 each I believe. The 5040 x 1050 resolution will certainly make good use of crossfired HD6950s.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=P...
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March 31, 2011 6:14:54 AM

jyjjy said:
Instead of a larger monitor have you considered getting 2 more 22" 1680x1050 monitors for Eyefinity? They should be about $150 each I believe. The 5040 x 1050 resolution will certainly make good use of crossfired HD6950s.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=P...

Yeah, better than my plan! :D 
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March 31, 2011 6:21:12 AM

Sure thing!

Intel Core i5-2500K 3.3GHz LGA 1155 95W Quad-Core Desktop Processor
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?item=N82E168...
***Combo*** COOLER MASTER Hyper 212 Plus RR-B10-212P-G1 120mm sleeve CPU Cooler
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?item=N82E168...

G.SKILL Ripjaws X Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?item=N82E168...

Crucial RealSSD C300 CTFDDAC064MAG-1G1 2.5" MLC Internal Solid State Drive (SSD)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?item=N82E168...

LITE-ON Black 4X Blu-ray Reader SATA Model iHOS104-06
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?item=N82E168...

SAMSUNG Spinpoint F3 1TB 3.5" SATA 3.0Gb/s Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?item=N82E168...

NZXT Phantom PHAN-001BK Black Computer Case
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?item=N82E168...

--x2-- GIGABYTE Radeon HD 6950 GV-R695D5-2GD-B Video Card with Eyefinity
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?item=N82E168...

Antec TruePower New TP-750 750W Continuous Power "compatible with Core i7" Power Supply
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?item=N82E168...

ASUS P8P67-M PRO (REV 3.0) Micro ATX Intel Motherboard
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?item=N82E168...

Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit 1-Pack for System Builders
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?item=N82E168...

I was planning on posting it in the "New Build" section before buying everything, I just wanted to get this monitor situation worked out first.




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March 31, 2011 6:27:40 AM

The only drawback to the multi monitor setup is I'm using this machine for, almost exclusively, gaming. I could almost justify having a 27" 1900X1200 for my main screen (while gaming) and keeping my 22" 1680x1050 for ventrilo, music player, etc.., but I've yet to hear anyone say the prefer to play FPS,MMOs,RPG's, etc.. on multiple monitors. I just imagine the inch of casing between the monitors breaking my accuracy up when playing fps. It would look really cool on my desk though :p 
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March 31, 2011 6:29:29 AM

If I make make a few changes, I would get these:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Besides that, everything looks good. The drives weren't fit to be is such a performance machine, and the mATX board should be a full ATX board for a high-end gaming PC like that. The 600t case is great and has many features. I will name a few: cable management grommits, a knob to control the fans, and 3 fans two with white LEDs.
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March 31, 2011 6:31:28 AM

dcutbi001 said:
The only drawback to the multi monitor setup is I'm using this machine for, almost exclusively, gaming. I could almost justify having a 27" 1900X1200 for my main screen (while gaming) and keeping my 22" 1680x1050 for ventrilo, music player, etc.., but I've yet to hear anyone say the prefer to play FPS,MMOs,RPG's, etc.. on multiple monitors. I just imagine the inch of casing between the monitors breaking my accuracy up when playing fps. It would look really cool on my desk though :p 

If you don't want three monitors, get the one I recommended. Sell your 22" and get some money, heck, I'd offer you $50 for it! I know it's worth more, but if I can get a good deal. :p  :sol: 
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March 31, 2011 6:36:43 AM

Thanks for the advice. Depending on what I end up doing in relation to my monitor debacle I will plan on swapping those parts out. The funny thing is I started skimping on some of the stuff I thought I could get away with it on once I realized I wanted one of those high end monitors. But if I get told that 27" 1900x1200 is not a bad resolution for my cards (I'm worried about GPU overkill vs my monitor resolution) then its game on!

Quick edit: The mobo you suggested is the one I wanted from jump, but its been out of stock for the last week or so I've been looking.
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March 31, 2011 6:40:26 AM

dcutbi001 said:
Thanks for the advice. Depending on what I end up doing in relation to my monitor debacle I will plan on swapping those parts out. The funny thing is I started skimping on some of the stuff I thought I could get away with it on once I realized I wanted one of those high end monitors. But if I get told that 27" 1900x1200 is not a bad resolution for my cards (I'm worried about GPU overkill vs my monitor resolution) then its game on!

Well, one could handle that resolution and get decent FPS, but it will be future-proof. Don't skimp on anything in your system. You don't want a bottleneck, do you? I mean, you want all parts to be equally good. If you don't watch blue ray, get this drive: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
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March 31, 2011 6:46:04 AM

Yeah I typically watch blue ray on my TV/PS3 so I will probably swap that out. I just threw it in on a whim.
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March 31, 2011 6:46:08 AM

dcutbi001 said:
but I've yet to hear anyone say the prefer to play FPS,MMOs,RPG's, etc.. on multiple monitors. I just imagine the inch of casing between the monitors breaking my accuracy up when playing fps. It would look really cool on my desk though :p 

I don't think you've been looking then. There should be no accuracy issues for FPS. The main screen should be exactly the same as when you currently play. The two extra screens are on the sides for a much more immersive effect. It's pretty neat. Here are some videos of eyefinity in action;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QD_HPlcE7dA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ft39wCete0E
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oc4O4QGgIJc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5UeHJEeuLc8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mn9Hhh3awK0
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March 31, 2011 6:47:47 AM

jyjjy said:
I don't think you've been looking then. There should be no accuracy issues for FPS. The main screen should be exactly the same as when you currently play. The two extra screens are on the sides for a much more immersive effect. It's pretty neat. Here are some videos of eyefinity in action;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QD_HPlcE7dA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ft39wCete0E
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oc4O4QGgIJc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5UeHJEeuLc8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mn9Hhh3awK0

I think he meant the bezzle between the screens not allowing him to see his enemies. I don't think he really meant accuracy.
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March 31, 2011 6:48:58 AM

dcutbi001 said:
Yeah I typically watch blue ray on my TV/PS3 so I will probably swap that out. I just threw it in on a whim.

OMG! You play PS3!!!!!!!! I hate the PS3!!!!!! I will never reply to you again!!!!!! Just kidding.... :lol:  :p  But really, I do hate the PS3... :sol: 
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March 31, 2011 6:55:19 AM

jyjjy said:
I don't think you've been looking then. There should be no accuracy issues for FPS. The main screen should be exactly the same as when you currently play. The two extra screens are on the sides for a much more immersive effect. It's pretty neat. Here are some videos of eyefinity in action;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QD_HPlcE7dA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ft39wCete0E
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oc4O4QGgIJc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5UeHJEeuLc8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mn9Hhh3awK0



I have to admit it could be cool. Now I need to look into three monitors to compare pricing :o 
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March 31, 2011 6:56:36 AM

HostileDonut said:
I think he meant the bezzle between the screens not allowing him to see his enemies. I don't think he really meant accuracy.

The bezels don't block out part of the image so that isn't an issue. The extra screen area will only do the opposite; vastly improve side visibility to see more targets/enemies.
The suggestions you made for the build are alright but the Spinpoint F3 he picked out is cheaper, larger and faster than the Caviar Black.
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March 31, 2011 6:56:57 AM

dcutbi001 said:
I have to admit it could be cool. Now I need to look into three monitors to compare pricing :o 

Just get two more monitors that you already have. :) 
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March 31, 2011 6:58:26 AM

jyjjy said:
The bezels don't block out part of the image so that isn't an issue. The extra screen area will only do the opposite; vastly improve side visibility to see more targets/enemies.
The suggestions you made for the build are alright but the Spinpoint F3 he picked out is cheaper, larger and faster than the Caviar Black.

Is it really faster than the Caviar Black? I thought the Caviar black 6gb/s drives were the fastest hard drives. If so, then screw the WD blacks.
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March 31, 2011 7:00:38 AM

jyjjy said:
The bezels don't block out part of the image so that isn't an issue. The extra screen area will only do the opposite; vastly improve side visibility to see more targets/enemies.
The suggestions you made for the build are alright but the Spinpoint F3 he picked out is cheaper, larger and faster than the Caviar Black.

Yeah, I know it lets you see more, but the bezels would be annoying...
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March 31, 2011 7:05:03 AM

HostileDonut said:
Is it really faster than the Caviar Black? I thought the Caviar black 6gb/s drives were the fastest hard drives. If so, then screw the WD blacks.

Here's a benchmark. The Spinpoint F3 is the HD103SJ;
http://www.harddrivebenchmark.net/hdd.php?hdd=WDC+WD750...
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March 31, 2011 7:07:14 AM

HostileDonut said:
Just get two more monitors that you already have. :) 


The monitors I have are discontinued. I'll have to find 3 new monitors at 1900x1200. Even doing that its cheaper than buying 1 2560x1440 or higher.
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March 31, 2011 7:16:02 AM

dcutbi001 said:
The monitors I have are discontinued. I'll have to find 3 new monitors at 1900x1200. Even doing that its cheaper than buying 1 2560x1440 or higher.

You don't need the exact same monitor. Just the same resolution and size should be fine. I linked all the 22" 1680x1050 monitors on Newegg in my first post in the thread.

EDIT: The only issue I could see is if the stands were non-adjustable and of a different height from your current monitor. If your current monitor has an adjustable height stand then its not an issue. If not make sure the new monitor's are adjustable.
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March 31, 2011 7:24:44 AM

Thanks Jy I'll check that out right now.
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March 31, 2011 7:36:30 AM

i think you should choose a different motherboard, the micro atx board you chose is going to be a very tight fit especially for two 6950s, not to mention really cramp the air flow and increase the heat in your case. you should consider a full atx sized board with dual 16x pci slots
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March 31, 2011 7:40:52 AM

does it matter that the monitor I have now does not have HDMI?
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March 31, 2011 7:41:37 AM

ferelden said:
i think you should choose a different motherboard, the micro atx board you chose is going to be a very tight fit especially for two 6950s, not to mention really cramp the air flow and increase the heat in your case. you should consider a full atx sized board with dual 16x pci slots



I am Fere I picked that board by mistake.
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March 31, 2011 8:21:14 AM

dcutbi001 said:
does it matter that the monitor I have now does not have HDMI?

No, DVI is fine.
FYI you are going to need to use a displayport adapter for one of the monitors for Eyefinity. Something like this;
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
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March 31, 2011 4:12:29 PM

Have a similar build underway ....

1. 64 GB SSD is kinda small. Unless you are versed with reassigning Windows default locations for files, know how to remove all the patch "undo's, know how to relocate mail locations, etc, you will fill that in 6 months.

Also, the Vertex 3 is on newegg but outta stock ... over 50% faster than the C300 series.

2. Up for consideration if you stick w/ 1920 x 1200...... Guru3D's test game suite of COD-MW, Bad Company 2, Dirt 2, Far Cry 2, Metro 2033, Dawn of Discovery, Crysis Warhead reports total fps as follows:

6950's in CF - 751 fps (your choice $264 each)
560 Ti in SLI - 792 fps ($230-ish)
560 Ti (factory OC'd to 900Mhz) - 862 fps ($230 and up)

Reviews have shown the factory OC'd models capable of 1000 MHz ... yeah you can OC a reference model but the factory OC'd ones , most of em anyway, have better coolers.

Of course what card yu pick will much depend on the games you play .... nVidia does best in some games and ATI does better than others, if the above test suite is not reflective of the games you play, then I'd put some effort in looking at how each performs with the games you do play.

And again, if you do wind up at 2560 x 1600, the 2 GB of memory favors the 6950 at this resolution.

These RAM modules are $5 cheaper
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Just wanna make sure that you aware that that is a mini-ATX MoBo .
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March 31, 2011 5:05:16 PM



Thanks JackNaylorPE, I can't really say I've considered the 560'or 570's for that matter. It was recommended that I go with the 6950 and OC them to 6970s. The reccomendation came from a few of the guys over in the "New Build" forums and they seemed like it was an obvious choice, I however am open to options. Obviously the best performance for the best price is what I'm after.

As far as the board goes I decided to go with http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?item=N82E168... any thoughts?

And the Out of stock thing on NewEgg is somewhat annoying, there are a few things I wanted that they dont have.
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March 31, 2011 6:55:54 PM

dcutbi001 said:
Thanks JackNaylorPE, I can't really say I've considered the 560'or 570's for that matter. It was recommended that I go with the 6950 and OC them to 6970s. The reccomendation came from a few of the guys over in the "New Build" forums and they seemed like it was an obvious choice, I however am open to options. Obviously the best performance for the best price is what I'm after.

As far as the board goes I decided to go with http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?item=N82E168... any thoughts?

And the Out of stock thing on NewEgg is somewhat annoying, there are a few things I wanted that they dont have.

HD6950(70) is a better price/performance ratio. Wait and get a better board man.
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March 31, 2011 11:04:51 PM

I may just jump into the $200 board realm, I'm about to order today so I'll figure it out in the next couple hours.
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April 1, 2011 12:21:24 AM

Hey guys what do you all think about LED backlight monitors?
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April 1, 2011 1:47:27 AM

nforce4max said:
Hey guys what do you all think about LED backlight monitors?

I'm not sure. I think I have heard of LED leaving behind weird lines (of light) that some people can see. I would buy a regular monitor.
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April 1, 2011 2:42:27 AM

HostileDonut said:
I'm not sure. I think I have heard of LED leaving behind weird lines (of light) that some people can see. I would buy a regular monitor.



Well I had a normal lcd monitor but it often wasn't the best thing that I have owned. Ghosting and it would at times overheat. Eventually went crt when it finally died. Had a plasma tv as well, it too eventually died. 300w panel :whistle: 

So I am using two crt monitors and really want to go flat screen again but without poorly cooled and poorly made cathode back lighted lcd. Very picky about image quality though :whistle: 

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April 1, 2011 2:49:10 AM

Well if LED is what you want, get LED.
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April 1, 2011 3:08:16 AM

Well I don't like monitors that get very hot. crt, typical lcd, and plasma get very hot and most crap out a year or two worth of use :/ 
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April 1, 2011 3:15:05 AM

nforce4max said:
Well I don't like monitors that get very hot. crt, typical lcd, and plasma get very hot and most crap out a year or two worth of use :/ 

Oh, well that's not fun, now is it? My LCD is from late 2008 or early 2009 and it still runs pretty well. A few dead pixels here and there, but press the screen where they are and they go away.
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April 1, 2011 3:29:36 AM

o.O Well at least there is a few things to appreciate with crt screens. Sure they run hot and suck power but at least the image quality doesn't degrade unless very terrible quality from the start. Sadly the choices for led based lcd isn't all that great. 1600x900 or 1920x1080. Got other upgrades that are going to cost between $500-600 when I can do them late this summer.
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April 1, 2011 5:48:34 AM

i have a new 1080p LCD and a new 1080p LED backlit LCD, both are brand new samsungs. when i bought the LED i really didnt think it would be "better". but i was wrong..... I use both displays with my PC and the LED is a MUCH higher quality picture. the LED is alot brighter, and it seems to show alot more colors. Personally, i dnt think you can go wrong with a LED display, unless you cant find one with the resolution you want......
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