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June 14, 2011 7:26:06 PM

FINAL FINAL FINAL FINAL FINAL CHECKLIST

-note: I am reusing an optical drive. Its old school (uses an IDE; mobo has) but hopefully it'll work.

Case: Cooler Master 342 (mATX case)

PSU: Corsair 430W (80+)

Mobo: ASUS M4A88TD-M (mATX board), 4250 integrated, USB3+SATA3

CPU: AMD Athlon II X2 250 3.0GHZ

RAM: GSkill 4GB

HDD: Western Digital Blue Caviar 500GB 7200RPM 6GB/S (WD5000AAKX)

Windows 7


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I dont have any experience when it comes to building computers, only swapping one or two parts out as they get old.

When my parents told me they wanted a new computer, I thought it would be a good idea to try my hand and building one from scratch.

Needs: Casual computing
-very basic
-watching dramas
-sending emails
-downloading music
-uploading photos
MUST DO ALL THIS SMOOTHLY.


I was thinking of 4 gigs ram, dual core, onboard graphics.

Lite-on DVD burner (pretty much for installing OS only and maybe occasional making of photo CDs to give to family) Decided to try to reuse old one.

380W Antec PSU

Rosewill Blackbone Case I think this one is overkill.

MSI Mobo with solid onboard graphics

GSkill 4gigs

AMD Athlon II dual
core



Samsung spinpoint F4 320gb HDD



and of course

Windows 7

At first I wanted to reuse the old hard drive but I soon found out it would be better to get a new one since it would make installing the new OS simpler.

Question is, how would I transfer old data to the new drive?

Also, Ive never ordered anything from newegg canada before. Are they the best choice? How quick is the shipping? (Im in west coast canada)

Would like to hear your opinions and recommendations on parts. (Especially the mobo, hard drive, and case)

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June 14, 2011 7:50:02 PM

Looks nice, for the HDD get a Samsung spinpoint f3 500GB or 1TB. Save your data from the OS partition on DVDs (the My Documents stuff, pics, movies, whatever, not the installed programs, you can't save those) then you will format that partition after you install the new OS on the new HDD. For the new HDD, format it and create an OS partition, say 100GB.

Case with free shipping
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1681...
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June 14, 2011 10:22:00 PM

Hi calbee,
I suggest you do your browsing on newegg and purchase on directcanada.
Directcanada has free shipping and by going with them you save quite a bit.
I am building a htpc right now and the first parts arrived within a week (I'm in Toronto) with no problem. I just placed my 2nd order today for the CPU and motherboard.
Their interface is not too good, which is why you should choose your parts on newegg first.

Edit: ALTHOUGH newegg has the "shellshocker" deals up right now, you might be able to catch a deal or two, like a case or something.
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June 14, 2011 11:30:56 PM

Thanks for the replies! They have a shell shocker on a case right now, but I probably wont be purchasing my parts until maybe a couple days later so Im not going to rely on that deal.

How reliable is direct canada? Im most worried about failing RAM and is it fairly hassle-free to return DOA parts?

Also, how do I do whatever you suggested in formatting my HDD etc. etc.?

EDIT: Newegg.ca doesnt have a F3 500 gb, but I found a 320gb F4
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1682...

I think 320 gigs should be plenty since my parents have barely even used 200.

Is this CPU+Mobo a good combo? Will everything I have there be compatible? I switched out ram for a different pair btw.
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June 15, 2011 3:59:00 AM

Bumping this for some help please :cry: 
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June 15, 2011 4:19:02 AM

I'd say direct canada is reliable. I haven't had any RMA's with them though.
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June 15, 2011 4:57:01 AM

vz7 said:
I'd say direct canada is reliable. I haven't had any RMA's with them though.


Ok...but they dont even have the motherboard I want.
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June 15, 2011 7:29:48 AM

Hey Calbee, say your plea for help in another thread. Figure I might offer my advice.

Looks like you have a nice system. However, it seems a bit overkill for what you want it for. Now I'm not saying it's a bad build, but I think it may be a little overpowered. I suggest you look into these types of boards/cpu/gpu: http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1681... they are cheap, small, and get the job done. However, it's not much cheaper. But hey, I thought I'd throw the option out there!
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June 15, 2011 5:09:50 PM

striker410 said:
Hey Calbee, say your plea for help in another thread. Figure I might offer my advice.

Looks like you have a nice system. However, it seems a bit overkill for what you want it for. Now I'm not saying it's a bad build, but I think it may be a little overpowered. I suggest you look into these types of boards/cpu/gpu: http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1681... they are cheap, small, and get the job done. However, it's not much cheaper. But hey, I thought I'd throw the option out there!



Like you said, its not much cheaper so Ill just take it as future proofing. Besides, the current build is within my parents requirements so theyll be fine with it.

edit: Is it safe to reuse the DVD burner and ethernet card from the old computer, or should I play it safe and get new ones?
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June 15, 2011 5:53:08 PM

Well, you don't have to worry about Ethernet. almost all (read: all) mobo's have onboard LAN. Unless it's wireless, don't bother.

Next thing is check to see if the DVD drive is Sata or IDE. If Sata, keep.

I did a little shopping. Keep everything, but change out the case and PSU for this little number: http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1681... Save $44.

Swap board for this one: http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1681... It has DVI out, which would be nice if they upgrade their monitor in the future. Also has a better layout IMO.

And that about wraps it up! Are you a student or do you know someone with a .edu email? http://www.microsoft.com/student/en/us/windows/buynow/d...
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June 15, 2011 6:08:18 PM

striker410 said:
Well, you don't have to worry about Ethernet. almost all (read: all) mobo's have onboard LAN. Unless it's wireless, don't bother.

Next thing is check to see if the DVD drive is Sata or IDE. If Sata, keep.

I did a little shopping. Keep everything, but change out the case and PSU for this little number: http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1681... Save $44.

Swap board for this one: http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1681... It has DVI out, which would be nice if they upgrade their monitor in the future. Also has a better layout IMO.

And that about wraps it up! Are you a student or do you know someone with a .edu email? http://www.microsoft.com/student/en/us/windows/buynow/d...


Thanks for the suggestions!

However im not so sure about the case and its PSU....have you used it before? Otherwise Im not so sure about its reliability.

Also, if all mobos come with LAN (and I see that it does on the details tab), where do you connect the cable to o.O?

Also, you have to be in the US to qualify for the student discount.
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June 15, 2011 6:12:21 PM

I have not used the case/psu, but Cooler master makes OK PSU's. For saving $45, I think it's worth it personally. The elite 460 is plenty for their needs.

It's that little port above the USB. You can see it in the picture.

And aww, that sucks. Sorry for missing that :/ 
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June 15, 2011 6:22:19 PM

So my parts selection other than my case issue is good right? Ram, cpu, and mobo are all good choices right?
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June 16, 2011 2:14:16 AM

I would go with the mobo I linked. As I said, it's got a DVI, allowing you to use newer monitors in the future.

Also, you should go with 2GB in my opinion. They don't need 4GB unless gaming. But then again, it's $20...
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June 16, 2011 2:34:30 AM

striker410 said:
I would go with the mobo I linked. As I said, it's got a DVI, allowing you to use newer monitors in the future.

Also, you should go with 2GB in my opinion. They don't need 4GB unless gaming. But then again, it's $20...


Ill consider the 2gb option. Ill probably go with the mobo you suggested; though i must ask, in what other ways is it better?

Also, how will I transfer old data to the new HDD? The old HDD is running XP so it might be a bit complicated?
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June 16, 2011 2:41:48 AM

Ahh. It depends. If your current mobo supports sata, just turn the PC off and throw the HDD in there and plug it in. Then copy all the my docs or whatever.

If it doesn't, you will need to burn the stuff in my docs to DVD's, or use an external hard drive.

Btw, you cannot carry over OS/apps. You need to do a clean install.
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June 16, 2011 3:30:02 AM

striker410 said:
Ahh. It depends. If your current mobo supports sata, just turn the PC off and throw the HDD in there and plug it in. Then copy all the my docs or whatever.

If it doesn't, you will need to burn the stuff in my docs to DVD's, or use an external hard drive.

Btw, you cannot carry over OS/apps. You need to do a clean install.


What if the old computer is dead? :whistle: 

*Im typing this from a netbook.....lol.
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June 16, 2011 4:13:08 AM

Broken links. Throw a space between url= and url. I think that fixes.
And an external enclosure uses an external power source. It routes that to HDD, and also converts IDE to USB. Fairly simple.
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June 16, 2011 4:27:22 AM

striker410 said:
Broken links. Throw a space between url= and url. I think that fixes.
And an external enclosure uses an external power source. It routes that to HDD, and also converts IDE to USB. Fairly simple.


And how does that work with the new computer? Plug it into a USB port? Why cant I just fit it into the new computer and transfer data through the SATA cable (into the new HDD)?

edit: spaces didnt help T_T whatever.
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June 16, 2011 4:33:31 AM

Well, I should have clarified. Is it IDE or Sata? You can look on the back and tell pretty easily. If it's sata, then yeah. Throw it in the new rig and transfer. If IDE..... You need enclosure probably.
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June 16, 2011 4:45:41 AM

striker410 said:
Well, I should have clarified. Is it IDE or Sata? You can look on the back and tell pretty easily. If it's sata, then yeah. Throw it in the new rig and transfer. If IDE..... You need enclosure probably.


It should be SATA. Thin red cable that looks like linguini.

IDE is the one that looks like a ribbon right? The one that looks like lasagna?

My optical drive is IDE.....is that going to be an issue?
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June 16, 2011 4:48:25 AM

Haha, good description. Throw it in the new build. You won't have issues.

And yeah, it's an issue.
new DVD drives are literally $20, so no big deal. Spend the extra buck and get one with lightscribe, your parents might like that.
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June 16, 2011 4:54:26 AM

striker410 said:
Haha, good description. Throw it in the new build. You won't have issues.

And yeah, it's an issue.
new DVD drives are literally $20, so no big deal. Spend the extra buck and get one with lightscribe, your parents might like that.


Ooo ok. What's wrong with IDE though? Is it too slow? The mobo I have right now, (I think the one you suggested) has an idea connector on it.....
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June 16, 2011 4:58:13 AM

wow, I'm stupid. I'm sorry, I didn't do my research. Yes, you can reuse the drive. Lol, that's what I get for assuming........
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June 16, 2011 5:04:14 AM

striker410 said:
wow, I'm stupid. I'm sorry, I didn't do my research. Yes, you can reuse the drive. Lol, that's what I get for assuming........


Omg yaaaayy :p 

Someone from another forum said I should go with corsair PSU rather than antec since apparently, three of his blew up on him xD

Is antec a good brand or is corsair more reliable?
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June 16, 2011 5:13:00 AM

Psh, he doesn't know what he's talking about. Yes antec is awesome, I've used 3! All of them are sexy-awesome. If you get an earthwatts, make sure you have an old PC power cord, since they don't ship with them. (Way to be "green". They really just want OUR green, because we have to buy a separate power cord!)
And for the case. I see you chose blackbone+antec in the end, which is fine. BUT, I would get a little more discrete case. The blackbone is pretty flashy, specially with that LED.

Something like this, maybe? http://www.directcanada.com/products/?sku=22510AC0061&v...

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June 16, 2011 5:16:06 AM

striker410 said:
Psh, he doesn't know what he's talking about. Yes antec is awesome, I've used 3! All of them are sexy-awesome. If you get an earthwatts, make sure you have an old PC power cord, since they don't ship with them. (Way to be "green". They really just want OUR green, because we have to buy a separate power cord!)
And for the case. I see you chose blackbone+antec in the end, which is fine. BUT, I would get a little more discrete case. The blackbone is pretty flashy, specially with that LED.

Something like this, maybe? http://www.directcanada.com/products/?sku=22510AC0061&v...


Hey, my mom IS showoff :lol: 

I dont think they really care about the LED's; if anything theyll think the computer is better than it actually is xD

The case you suggested seems a bit iffy....and like I said, I want to order from the same vendor. (If i did say that...I said that right? @.@)
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June 16, 2011 5:26:54 AM

Calbee said:
I dont think they really care about the LED's; if anything theyll think the computer is better than it actually is xD

The case you suggested seems a bit iffy....and like I said, I want to order from the same vendor. (If i did say that...I said that right? @.@)

And you probably did say that. I read all sortsa threads, and my mind mixes them up.
But hey man, free shipping! All the other cases I wanted had $20 shipping so...

And the case seems alright. Better than a prebult case.
but seriously, you could probably put these parts in a plastic bag and they'd be ok lol. Cooling isnt a big concern with this build.

But idk, it's up to you. You know the budget.
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June 16, 2011 6:53:42 AM

striker410 said:
And you probably did say that. I read all sortsa threads, and my mind mixes them up.
But hey man, free shipping! All the other cases I wanted had $20 shipping so...

And the case seems alright. Better than a prebult case.
but seriously, you could probably put these parts in a plastic bag and they'd be ok lol. Cooling isnt a big concern with this build.

But idk, it's up to you. You know the budget.


I'll put some thought into it, definitely; but doesn't newegg provide free shipping for large purchases?

When I hit the checkout button on my shopping cart, shipping costs and tax were labelled as $0.

edit: Nvm I just didnt input my postal code. Wow thats a lot of shipping. With tax and shipping it went from $437 to $525......shiet.
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June 16, 2011 7:00:07 AM

Lol. Direct canada looking good yet? Seriously, we'll figure it out. Search on canadacomputers and directcanada for the parts. If they don't have them, we'll find substitutes.
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June 16, 2011 6:13:21 PM

striker410 said:
Lol. Direct canada looking good yet? Seriously, we'll figure it out. Search on canadacomputers and directcanada for the parts. If they don't have them, we'll find substitutes.


Is it a good idea to be ordering from multiple sites? I wont be able to test parts until they all arrive and Im afraid of a really large time gap that will nullify some return policies.....

I've been thinking about that case, and I'm wondering if this computer really needs such an expensive power supply and case.

Since its not a demanding build, even on max load, how will that PSU/case you suggested cope? I really dont want any failures and having to deal with returning and stuff.

Direct canada doesn't have: ANY samsung HDDs, the MSI mobo (they only have 2 pricy ones), and ZERO rosewill cases.

They do however, have the RAM, CPU, and windows 7 for a couple bucks cheaper AND they have free shipping!

Canadacomputers has like........nothing. They have the mobo though! >.>

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June 16, 2011 6:23:32 PM

Good news. And remember, ASROCK MOBO!!! You need that IDE connector and DVI.

And there isn't anything wrong with multiple sites. Just print off the receipts so you know what came from where.

For case/psu, I think it'll be fine. CM is pretty high quality. And you won't be running at max load.... You're system will pull probably no more than 200 watts on full steam. But, PSU's run best around 50% load so you should be good.

And rosewill is I believe and in-house brand, so that's to be expected. Look at apex.

This HDD is pretty equal to the Samsung: http://www.directcanada.com/products/?sku=14120DR4977&v...

And not to derail, but at this point you might just get a cheap HP prebuilt...... It'd be cheaper. Not as fun or fast though!
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June 16, 2011 6:42:53 PM

striker410 said:
Good news. And remember, ASROCK MOBO!!! You need that IDE connector and DVI.

And there isn't anything wrong with multiple sites. Just print off the receipts so you know what came from where.

For case/psu, I think it'll be fine. CM is pretty high quality. And you won't be running at max load.... You're system will pull probably no more than 200 watts on full steam. But, PSU's run best around 50% load so you should be good.

And rosewill is I believe and in-house brand, so that's to be expected. Look at apex.

This HDD is pretty equal to the Samsung: http://www.directcanada.com/products/?sku=14120DR4977&v...

And not to derail, but at this point you might just get a cheap HP prebuilt...... It'd be cheaper. Not as fun or fast though!


Cheaper? Really? I doubt that.....

Yeah, I meant asrock and they don't have it either.

Im not so sure about the orange on that case.....ewww.
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June 16, 2011 7:02:10 PM

striker410 said:
http://www.shopping.hp.com/webapp/shopping/computer_can...

It's pretty cheap..... Same CPU I think. And a full warranty on the whole thing. Now I don't doubt that it would be better to spend $50 on higher quality parts, but $50 is $50........


Cant find that series on canada site.

Found this case: http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1681...

Hearing a lot of people complaining about power buttons falling out and it seems to only have one HDD bay...
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June 16, 2011 7:15:05 PM

striker410 said:
Ehh, I don't like the looks of it.
Here's a slim case with built in PSU: http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1681... Kinda cramped, but we are going microATX anyway so it doesn't matter.

EDIT: I Like this one better. It's got more space, but is a bigger case in general :/  http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1681...



Lol and I dont like the look of that one xDDDD

The second one doesnt have a second SATA cable, which Ill be needing to transfer data.

I didnt realize selecting a case/PSU would be the most complex....

Also, so am I buying from two sources? Direct canada has free shipping but doesnt have the mobo/case selection I need.
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June 16, 2011 7:16:05 PM

Yup, edited with directcanada links.
By the way, it's only complicated because you are picky picky xD
First it's "My mom likes flashy" then it's "Eww, that orange isn't sexy". WORK WITH ME MAN!
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June 16, 2011 7:26:13 PM

AHHH Cant make up my mind.

But here's a list of what Im getting from newegg and direct canada

NEWEGG:

Asrock mobo http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1681...

DIRECT CANADA:

AMD Athlon II X2 250 http://www.directcanada.com/products/?sku=10360BD7931

Windows 7 http://www.directcanada.com/products/?sku=12850SW2113

GSkill 4GB http://www.directcanada.com/products/?sku=15380BD0466

Seagate 500GB 7200 http://www.directcanada.com/products/?sku=14120DR4977


This IS a good HDD right? It wont die on me will it....
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June 16, 2011 7:31:12 PM

HDD link messed up, but yeah. I don't see why it would die.....

If your rents want a little USB3 or Sata3 action, you could throw down the $8 (might as well) for this board: http://www.directcanada.com/products/?sku=10530BD9010&v...

Simplifies things by shipping from one place. And it's got the IDE. I would grab it, but that's me.
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June 16, 2011 7:34:44 PM

striker410 said:
HDD link messed up, but yeah. I don't see why it would die.....

If your rents want a little USB3 or Sata3 action, you could throw down the $8 (might as well) for this board: http://www.directcanada.com/products/?sku=10530BD9010&v...

Simplifies things by shipping from one place. And it's got the IDE. I would grab it, but that's me.


What is USB3/Sata3 and why would I need it?


STILL GOTTA PICK A DARN CASE >:|

lol......
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June 16, 2011 7:37:34 PM

USB3 is the new version of USB. It's like, faster and stuff.

Sata3 is same thing. Faster/better. Don't really need it, but it would improve the value a little. Really only for SSD's right now.
If they ever want to get a big external HDD, USB3 would help out alot.

Like I said, it's 8 bucks, and makes it a one stop shop. Why not?
And that board is mad sexy.....
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June 16, 2011 7:42:19 PM

striker410 said:
USB3 is the new version of USB. It's like, faster and stuff.

Sata3 is same thing. Faster/better. Don't really need it, but it would improve the value a little. Really only for SSD's right now.
If they ever want to get a big external HDD, USB3 would help out alot.

Like I said, it's 8 bucks, and makes it a one stop shop. Why not?
And that board is mad sexy.....


Alright Ill be bold and do it. Its compatible with my RAM and CPU right? The specs on the board indicate that the specs on my RAM are OC....sounds a bit scary. What would I need to do in the BIOS?
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June 16, 2011 7:48:54 PM

striker410 said:
Lol, you'll be fine.

All you gotta do in BIOS is boot to the CD drive to install windows. Here's an awesome guide that details assembly and install: http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/274745-31-step-step-g...


Read that already! XD Just going to try to pick out a case now I guess; BRB!

Ive been reading that your suggest CM case (blue one) has only 2 SATA power cables and that they're pretty short. Dont I need 3? Optical drive + the two HDDs? (Though I dont really NEED the old HDD, just need power to transfer files)

edit: Can someone double check if my CPU works with my RAM?

edit: How come in some images the CM Elite 310 has a clear side window but others just show an opaque black panel? Also the images on directcanada dont show a PSU in the case....

it DOES come with a PSU doesnt it?



MOAR EDIT: It seems that the case without the PSU has a nice window while the one that HAS the PSU doesnt. Wow that sucks. That window looks frigging cool.

Why are there two versions of this case on direct canada THAT HAVE DIFFERENT COSTS?
http://www.directcanada.com/products/?sku=11130AC3073&v...

AND

http://www.directcanada.com/products/?sku=1946118549M&v...





EVEN MOAR EDIT: Why does this one have a higher wattage PSU AND side window and cost less?
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1681...
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June 17, 2011 3:04:24 AM

I have decided to go with seperate PSU and cases in hopes of better reliability.

Updated the thread with this:

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UPDATED CHECKLIST:

-note: I am reusing an optical drive. Its old school (uses an IDE; mobo has) but hopefully it'll work.

Case: Compucase 6C28B If someone can recommend something, please make sure its available in either NCIX or Direct Canada

PSU: Corsair 430W (80+)

Mobo: ASUS M4A88TD-M (mATX board), 4250 integrated, USB3+SATA3

CPU: AMD Athlon II X2 250 3.0GHZ

RAM: GSkill 4GB

HDD: Seagate Barracuda 500GB 7200RPM 6GB/S

Windows 7
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June 17, 2011 3:57:06 AM

Looks good! We'll have to think about case...
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June 17, 2011 4:11:58 AM

striker410 said:
Looks good! We'll have to think about case...


Yes...we will.....


I forgot to say but, thanks alot striker. Seriously, you've been very dedicated in helping me and I really appreciate it.
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