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April 4, 2011 10:23:25 AM

So what do you think would be the best choice? And would a 800W be able to power this?

Thanks.

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a b U Graphics card
April 4, 2011 10:45:53 AM

I think you'll find that an SLI solution will be superior, not to mention cheaper.
April 4, 2011 1:32:30 PM

Ok im probably goignt to go with an GTX 590 since GTX 580 SLI would be overkill for 1680x1050, even the 590 is. Ok I have another question that isnt related to this

Are 3D monitors that dont require glasses already out, or are they coming? Im really interested in this 3D monitor for only 360 euros and I dont want to buy it now only to find out new ones are coming out.
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a b U Graphics card
April 4, 2011 3:04:06 PM

yeah even if they are coming it will be a while until the prices come down to something reasonable and they actually nail the tech down so it works properly. For your res I'd go with a single gtx 570 or 6950, you do not need 580 sli to max everything at that res. Why not try a single 570 or 580 and go from there? 570 sli is also a good option because they scale a bit better then the 580s and can actually come close in sli performance... overall for your res it is not nessesary to buy either of the cards you listed so personally I'd go for a single 570/580, my .02 cents
a b U Graphics card
April 4, 2011 3:04:40 PM

what is the make and model of your psu a generic 800w is not going to cut it, unless of course it is not so let us know
a b U Graphics card
April 4, 2011 3:22:26 PM

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jjb - how's the kitty.?



lol hes a bad kitty but doing good, although Ive got a new case since the photo in my avatar he likes the top exhaust fan blowing on him, lol.
a b U Graphics card
April 4, 2011 3:29:56 PM

i agree with jjb, 580s or a single is an overkill for that resolution, and yeah 580s are much better than a single 590 *and they won't blow up!*, go for a single 570/6950/6970, all are good, but a bit overkill for that res... what MB you have? SLI only or CF and SLI? if you can then CF has better avg and minimum FPS and 6970s perform like 580s *6950s like 570s*, cause of better scaling
a b U Graphics card
April 4, 2011 3:33:54 PM

crossfir might have higher minimums in a game or two maybe in crysis but in general it loses in min fps to sli across the board, where are you getting this? Buying 700+ worth of gpu in 6970 crossfire to get 40 min fps in many games that is terrible imo, just in general if sli or crossfire is not increasing minimum fps and you are playing at a single 16X10 monitor at 60hz then it makes no sense to have a dual card setup imo, you do not need to higher averages and you will not be helpin gminimums at all so overall it will be a worse expirience

OP go for a single card like a gtx 570/580 or 6950/70 and you will be more than satisfied imo..
a b U Graphics card
April 4, 2011 3:41:25 PM

Lol hilarious, there is always a big event going on in the minds of our domesticated animals :) 

hey malmental do you have any charts on minimum fps of current gen sli and crossfire setups...?
OP:

personally I had to abandon my 6870 crossfire setup not only bc of *** crossfire drivers but also bc of terrible minimum fps, microstutter and flickering that was consistent across several drivers. I got fed up and was tired for waiting for "the next driver fix". I thought this is bs that I spent over 400 on gpus to have them work like crap. having changed to a single oc'ed 570 I will never look back.
a b U Graphics card
April 4, 2011 3:41:52 PM

OP: also what is the make and model of your "800w psu"?
a b U Graphics card
April 4, 2011 3:51:14 PM

its lower averages of course (not by a whole lot, but in general I have less headaches and I swear the micro-stutter/ min fps problem is non existent with a single card
a b U Graphics card
April 4, 2011 4:23:07 PM

yeah running a single card is always more stable than 2..
a b U Graphics card
April 4, 2011 4:31:13 PM

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jjb - let me look for some, I wonder how that 6870 x-fire compares to the GTX 570,
but having a basic chart with multiple comparisons would be nice.
I ditched the hyper 212+ and went with the gemin ii from coolermaster..

OP- just FYI but I run a dual gfx card set-up with a 700-watt SLI Rosewill psu.
Rosewill is solid but not the best, so it can be done..



yeah my 212+ more than does the job, my mobo does not allow me to increase voltages manually so 3.9 is the highest I can take the p2 955 without any stability issues. Pretty much I could be just running a stock cpu cooler and be fine but the 212+ keeps things under 50c at load with the 3.9 oc. How much better is the gemini II?
April 4, 2011 4:31:28 PM

jjb8675309 said:
what is the make and model of your psu a generic 800w is not going to cut it, unless of course it is not so let us know


Im dont have this system, im buying it this week. The PSU im getting is a Cooler Master Silent Pro Gold 800W
April 4, 2011 4:42:02 PM

The system im buying:

Intel Core i7 2600K
Gigabyte GA-P67A-UD7-B3
Cooler Master Silent Pro Gold 800W
Kingston PC3-12800 "HyperX" KIT 4096 MB, DDR III, 1600 MHz
Western Digital WD1003FBYX "Raid Edition 4"

Budget: 2500
Money is no issue here, thats why I wanna get the best of the best.
a b U Graphics card
April 4, 2011 5:05:07 PM

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You Shouldve disabled windows aero that's all


Mr Burns, you gotta be joking, first off I always disable aero effects, they are worthless, but really you gotta be joking you usually seem knowledgeable... what happened?
a b U Graphics card
April 4, 2011 5:06:52 PM

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Go for a single Gtx 580 first till you upgrade your LCD or add one more. The scaling from 1-2 cards ain't that big. You only see a big jump when adding a third. 1 580 can crunch any game at 1600p or 1080p. You don't need to waste money when your not going to see the value running a expensive gpu setup on a resolution lower than 1080p. Buy a card to power your monitor



again, you gotta be kidding mr burns, the second card scales much better than the third which for the most part acts like a nipple imo. However I do agree that a singel 580 or even 570 would smack games at 16X10
a b U Graphics card
April 4, 2011 5:10:28 PM

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pu: Intel Core i5-2500K Sandy Bridge 3.3GHz (3.7GHz Turbo Boost) 4 x 256KB L2 Cache 6MB L3 Cache LGA 1155 95W
cpu cooler: COOLER MASTER HYPER 212 Plus CPU Fan
mobo: MSI P67A-G43 (B3) LGA 1155 Intel P67 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard
RAM: (start out with 4GB kit) - 4GB G.Skill DDR3 PC3-12800 ECO Series 2 GB (F312800CL7D4GBECO)
GPU: ---
SSD: G.SKILL Phoenix Pro Series FM-25S2S-80GBP2 2.5" 80GB SATA II MLC Internal Solid State Drive (SSD)
HDD: SAMSUNG SPINPOINT F3 S-ATA/300 1TB
optical: Samsung SH-B083L/BSBP Internal BluRay-Combo
case: COOLER MASTER RC-692-KKN2 CM690 II Advanced - 2 x 140mm + 3 x 120mm fans
FAN control: NZXT Sentry 2 TouchScreen Fan-Controller
card reader: Akasa AK-ICR-01B Internal Card Reader
PSU: Antec EarthWatts EA650 650W Continuous Power ATX12V Ver.2.2 / EPS12V version 2.91 SLI Certified

just an example, you do not need the i7-2600K, really don't.


toss in a single 580, 570, 6970/50 and you will have a darn nice gaming machine, besides the 1155 only has 8x8 pci-e lanes in a dual card config (not that it will matter much but im just saying)

"just an example, you do not need the i7-2600K, really don't" I totally agree and for that matter the 2500k is pretty much overkill for gaming below "the cats ass" enthusiast level or "the dogs bullocks" if you will.

no doubt the 2500k is a great chip, I will be looking to upgrade to it or something similar when the time comes but for now my 955 is holding up just fine
a b U Graphics card
April 4, 2011 5:17:48 PM

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No windows aero got a bug flashing the screen with ATI gpus. Disabling it solves the issue. Amd can't fix a windows thing


yeah well thanks for the concern but I never used aero to begin with, secondly the flickering was the LEAST of the problems I experienced with crossfire 6870s
a b U Graphics card
April 4, 2011 5:20:28 PM

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When I added the second the scaling was a small amount. Only when the third was added a big boost came thru like the second card only started to kick in then. On both the 2600k and the 980x of my wife.
And the X8 doesn't matter especially if you get the Maximus Iv board with the nf200 chip


nf200 is 16X16X8 right, I understand what your saying but look at any benchmark, mostly the results indicate the scaling from one to 2 cards being a much bigger increase from 2-3. Also you are making sort of a blanket statement by giving such an ambiguous example as certain games obviously scale better than others, and your cpu(s) were not a factor
a b U Graphics card
April 4, 2011 5:22:45 PM

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I agree totally.
hell my 940BE is humming along @ 3.4GHz..


yeah no doubt and Im sure its capable of goign higher, but at the same time there is probably very little bottleneck by any single gpu with it at 3.4ghz as it stands so really no point, the gtx 560ti is matched very nicely with that cpu imo, although we both know its capable of handling more.
a b U Graphics card
April 4, 2011 5:26:48 PM

yeah of course you will get more performance from 3 rather than 2 but im saying the jump from 1-2 is larger then the one from 2-3, good lord how are you an expert!? Im done with this thread
a b U Graphics card
April 4, 2011 5:27:45 PM

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Its a windows bug dunno if ms fixed it.



I can guarantee that what your referring to had nothing to do with my problem
a b U Graphics card
April 4, 2011 5:37:04 PM

ok fair enough, drivers can def be a contributing factor but the fact is that most benchmarks indicate otherwise and imo 3 gpus is very unnecessary when 2 6970s or 2 gtx 580s can handle a triple monitor setup fine on its own/
April 4, 2011 5:47:33 PM

Ok I see thid thread is getting out of hand, I decided to get an GTX590 and also get a new monitor.

Thank you for all of the responses.
a b U Graphics card
April 4, 2011 6:02:03 PM

Chuck-Lee-Campbell said:
Ok I see thid thread is getting out of hand, I decided to get an GTX590 and also get a new monitor.

Thank you for all of the responses.



for a single 1080p display that is an utter waste of money imo, Im not trying to be rude but seriously reconsider at least downgrading to a single 580, even a 570 like malmental said. you really need triple monitors or high res monitor to make use of a gpu such as the 590 not to mention that like the 6990 they have had their fair share of concerns while the gtx 580 is one of the most stable/reliable single gpus available and certainly the most powerful single gpu available
April 4, 2011 6:08:40 PM

jjb8675309 said:
for a single 1080p display that is an utter waste of money imo, Im not trying to be rude but seriously reconsider at least downgrading to a single 580, even a 570 like malmental said. you really need triple monitors or high res monitor to make use of a gpu such as the 590 not to mention that like the 6990 they have had their fair share of concerns while the gtx 580 is one of the most stable/reliable single gpus available and certainly the most powerful single gpu available


I am getting a 3D monitor (ACER GD245HQBID) . Ive checked some reviews and user reviews and people say this card overheats alot and is not that stable so im considering a GTX 570 SLI.
a b U Graphics card
April 4, 2011 6:11:57 PM

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Who really knows.
Anyways, until the next thread amigo..
Cheers.



right on mi amigo, I'm off to enjoy this beautiful spring day off from work and school :) 
a b U Graphics card
April 4, 2011 6:13:21 PM

yeah the 570 sli would be a much better choice imo, 3d sounds fun but im gonna hold off until they have affordable screens with no glasses, but hey Id love to try a setup like that
a b U Graphics card
April 4, 2011 8:21:09 PM

yeah and just give me migraines, but thats ok, the glasses are freakin annoying if you ask me they are uncomfortable and a deal breaker imo
a b U Graphics card
April 4, 2011 10:42:22 PM

better yet a pair of Foakleys that would be a stylish but cheap upgrade but the split rendering would still make me have seizures
a b U Graphics card
April 4, 2011 11:29:12 PM

Don't two 6950's scale to better performance than two GTX 570's? And the 2GB versions flash to 6970 performance, destroying SLI'd GTX 570's? And doesn't the 2GB frame buffer make a difference in performance once we start talking about setups that actually can use this GPU power? And can't Radeon 6000 series do 3D gaming too?

Also, 65A on +12V rail w/ 800W Cooler Master probably cannot handle SLI'd GTX 580's--in case you change your mind. Not to mention, it's really not as good as the Corsair HX850 if you can find them for the same price.
a b U Graphics card
April 5, 2011 12:35:08 AM

I was basing that off of Tom's launch article on the 6900's: http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/radeon-hd-6970-rade...

Do you have a reason to believe otherwise? Keep in mind 6950 2GB's can get the 6970 performance.

EDIT: I'm pretty sure the 6950 2GB's win by a longshot on price/performance.
a b U Graphics card
April 5, 2011 1:40:32 AM

lol a gtx 570 is on par with a 6970 and the scaling is a few percentage off from that of a 6970 minus all the headaches, the 2 gigs of vram makes very little difference
a b U Graphics card
April 5, 2011 1:41:48 AM

your basing that off of 2033 performance, that does not tell the whole tell of either cards performance, and if anything the 570s would win in that game because it has physx
a b U Graphics card
April 5, 2011 1:50:14 AM

Finish the article. I just linked the crossfire comparison, not a single benchmark.

If you think those benchmarks say the SLI'd GTX 570 beats crossfired 6970, that's fine. But it looks like to me that a 6970 has better performance there. And two 6950's with that kind of performance for the price of a GTX 580 sounds amazing to me.

Overall, the stock 6950's seem to keep up and pull ahead at higher resolutions--which is what matters if you're talking to a guy who wants dual GTX 580's.

Not to mention, you could easily pick up a $40 9600GT for PhysX. Don't most of us talking about high-end SLI have a 3rd 4x PCI-e slot available for a PhysX card?
April 5, 2011 2:02:29 AM

dalauder said:
Also, 65A on +12V rail w/ 800W Cooler Master probably cannot handle SLI'd GTX 580's--in case you change your mind. Not to mention, it's really not as good as the Corsair HX850 if you can find them for the same price.


Well the only Corsair PSUs they have here at this store are the Corsair TX750 and the Corsair HX 1000W.
a b U Graphics card
April 5, 2011 2:19:33 AM

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aahhhh phys-x..:D 
I run a GTS 240 (OEM) for phys-x paired with EVGA GTX 560Ti.
That's how I get down..

1.) http://www.anandtech.com/bench/GPU11/188
2.) http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/292?vs=306
3.) dalauder - incorrect again..


^yeah cmon now guy (on recomending the 9600gt which is a pretty weak dedicated physX card imo, also the 570 can also overclock to 580 speeds so what is your point they are basically the same. Personally I don't want to lose the single 16x lane on my motherboard or I would have already installed my old gtx 260 as a physx card to run with my 570 but I'd rather not run at 8x8 especially when I overclock, but actually the 570 seems to handle PhysX on medium quite well, I think the gts 240 oem is a good choice for a dedicated physx gpu its low draw and efficient
a b U Graphics card
April 5, 2011 2:20:31 AM

the abominable snowman from that skiing game in dalauders avatar used to scare the hell out of me when I was a little kid!
April 5, 2011 2:22:21 AM

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you need a different store..


There arent many more.
a b U Graphics card
April 5, 2011 3:26:07 AM

@jjb--I don't get how you're talking trash on a 9600GT but saying a GT 240 is great--they're almost the exact same card! Look up the specs! I'm fine with you saying a 9600GT is too weak, but don't act like a nearly identical card is way better.

I have extra 16x (runs at 4x) slots, so I figured others might.

@malmental--thanks for the links. It looks like the Tom's article that clearly put the 6970 in the lead was misleading.
a b U Graphics card
April 5, 2011 3:31:23 AM

^fair enough but then stop talking trash about the 570 vs 6970, how is the 6970 so much better?
a b U Graphics card
April 5, 2011 7:25:13 AM

@jjb--Oh, the 6970 is not "so much better." If my only choices were between a single of either, I'd get the GTX 570.

BUT, we're talking solely about dual configurations. From what I've seen the Radeon 6900 series scales better in dual than the GTX 570. And when you talk about resolutions you'd actually use dual cards of this power in, then the 2GB frame buffer comes into play (and it will definitely matter in two years since larger texture files are always getting used). So when you consider that dual 6950 2GB's can best the GTX 570 in SLI when you unlock them (see malmental's link: http://www.anandtech.com/bench/GPU11/188), then two 6950 2GB's run the highend table on price/performance.
a b U Graphics card
April 5, 2011 3:46:09 PM

yeah i agree .. CF on 6000 scales a lot better than SLI now and CF before... 6950 which in single card loses pretty to 570 is more or less as good as 570s in SLI vs CF comparision, exactly the same situation is with 6970s and 580s..., but i always prefer having a single card over 2-3
a b U Graphics card
April 5, 2011 4:17:55 PM

dalauder said:
@jjb--Oh, the 6970 is not "so much better." If my only choices were between a single of either, I'd get the GTX 570.

BUT, we're talking solely about dual configurations. From what I've seen the Radeon 6900 series scales better in dual than the GTX 570. And when you talk about resolutions you'd actually use dual cards of this power in, then the 2GB frame buffer comes into play (and it will definitely matter in two years since larger texture files are always getting used). So when you consider that dual 6950 2GB's can best the GTX 570 in SLI when you unlock them (see malmental's link: http://www.anandtech.com/bench/GPU11/188), then two 6950 2GB's run the highend table on price/performance.



well considering the 6950s are around 280 and I got one 570 for 300 (and I assume ill be able to get a second down the road for 300 or less) then the price difference minimal and out of the box the 570s in sli are faster and more reliable imo, overall they are both good options but I don't see AMD "running the table" they are a good value but in my experience the shortcomings concerning some of the intangibles associated with AMD were not worth the cheaper price, just my .02 cents but I am not denying that the 6950/70 in crossfire is a good value.
a b U Graphics card
April 5, 2011 7:38:22 PM

^most of 6950s are like 250 and below, while 570s are 350+, but i have to say that nVidia made a huge improvement from 470 to 570 and that 560Ti SOC/6950/6970/570 all are good value and mostly depends where you live ;) 
a b U Graphics card
April 5, 2011 10:55:45 PM

I guess I was thinking $250 for 6950 2GB, $350 for GTX 570. If the GTX 570 is only $20 more, then GTX 570 hands-down is a better deal.

I was assuming you'd save $200 total with crossfired 6950 2GB's. Couple that with my preference of tweaking something to get more for less and that said 6950's for me.

It depends on the person, but I thought it deserved to be in the discussion was my main point.

My other point was I'd get the Corsair HX850 before that Cooler Master the OP picked. I've got the TX850, which is good enough for me.
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