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AMD FX-4120 > Intel i5 2500k

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September 14, 2011 7:55:40 PM

Both cpu's are going to be around the same price (when fx-4120 comes out), but...

AMD FX-4120 Intel i5 2500k
3.9 GHz (stock) 3.3 GHz(stock)
1 MB L2 cache (per core) 256 KB L2 cache (per core)
8 MB L3 cache (shared cache) 6 MB L3 cache (shared cache)
4 cores / 4 threads 4 cores / 4 threads

AMD's bulldozers are going to nom-nom on Intel's processors. :) 

Prove me wrong (or agree with me).

More about : amd 4120 intel 2500k

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September 14, 2011 7:59:54 PM

I shall refrain from saying what i truly want to say, and instead just sigh and put my head in my hands, OH DEAR !!
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September 14, 2011 10:12:47 PM

AMD's Bulldozer 8170 features 4 clusters of 2 cores each. In short each cluster acts like 1 core. 1 Cluster handles 1 thread. Therefore their 4 core solution will handle like a dual core. PS: The 8170 is rumored to be $266.

It may act out to be phenomenal with 2 cores handling one video game thread.
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September 14, 2011 11:05:14 PM

On paper it sounds like this CPU will be better then the 2500k, but we haven't seen any "official" bookmarks show otherwise.
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September 14, 2011 11:05:54 PM

Intel's Sandy Bridge are no more. :) 
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September 14, 2011 11:07:20 PM

I have to assume (based on your confidence), that you have already ordered your AM3+ motherboard (if you already don't have one) or better yet, have placed a preorder for a cpu

samuelspark said:
Intel's Sandy Bridge are no more. :) 

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September 14, 2011 11:07:40 PM

@cscottm90 The only real advantage that Intel used to have over AMD is the overclocking capacity. However, AMD just set a world record for overclocking one of their FX cpu's to over 8 ghz. :) 
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September 14, 2011 11:08:12 PM

Nope. I'm planning to get one on Black Friday to save money.
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September 15, 2011 12:28:22 AM

samuelspark said:
Nope. I'm planning to get one on Black Friday to save money.


With black Friday being so soon after release i doubt you will save more than 10-15$
Also I think you are trolling, but just in the event that you are not, I will humor you without officially taking sides.

The problem is we don't know how much Bulldozer can get done per Ghz compared to Sandy Bridge.
So it could be we are comparing apples and oranges with clock speeds. I will agree that the L3 cache looks yummy on bulldozer but until reviews come out, Sandy bridge might be just as good at 3.3ghz or Bulldozer is at 3.8ghz
I learned the moment that Core2 came out to not trust clock speeds for comparision anymore. Its all about the underlying architecture.
Hopefully Bulldozer will be well designed so it can drive intel prices down so i can get the 2600k LOL
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September 15, 2011 1:04:39 AM

Core Speed =/= Performance.

Even though bulldozer, on paper, looks mightily impressive. Until real world benchmarks come out, for all we know it might equal or beat the first and maybe (BIG MAYBE) even the second generation Core processors but we won't know. Until then, saying the new AMD processors are better than the current sandy bridge processors is really just useless rhetoric aimed at baiting people to intel vs amd flame wars.

Architecture is the most important thing for any processor and until we see trusted reviews from many of the major tech websites alongside thorough testing, Intel i5-2500k/2600K's are still the fastest processors out there for the consumer.
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September 15, 2011 1:07:54 AM

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-.- intel fanboy


LOL, Well yes actually I am an Intel Fanboy, used to be AMD fanboy until Core2Duo E6600 blew my mind and I've bought Intel since than.
But you missed my point, I'm saying Bulldozer could easily kill Sandy Bridge for all we know, especially on a price per performance ratio.
My point was you can't conclude that from just clock speeds, its all about whats underneath.
I'm also saying that I hope Bulldozer rocks Intels socks off, because that would be good for intel, whom have had the performance crown for a long time now and competition breeds innovation and price drops.
And if Bulldozer is so good that 2600k drops in price, i'll drop my i7-920 and get it :D 
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September 15, 2011 1:16:20 AM

lilotimz said:
Core Speed =/= Performance.


agreed.

you can look at it like this also. a race between a semi and a camaro. volvo is introducing a semi motor that produces about 700 hp and about 2300 ft-lb of torque and the camaro has about 400 of each. if you go off just those numbers you would think that the semi would win but that is just not the case because you have to look more into just the power numbers.
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September 15, 2011 1:26:19 AM

Well... Alright but, I guess only time will tell. BD's FTW so I can do a super budget build. :) 
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September 15, 2011 1:27:11 AM

doyletdude said:
LOL, Well yes actually I am an Intel Fanboy, used to be AMD fanboy until Core2Duo E6600 blew my mind and I've bought Intel since than.
But you missed my point, I'm saying Bulldozer could easily kill Sandy Bridge for all we know, especially on a price per performance ratio.
My point was you can't conclude that from just clock speeds, its all about whats underneath.
I'm also saying that I hope Bulldozer rocks Intels socks off, because that would be good for intel, whom have had the performance crown for a long time now and competition breeds innovation and price drops.
And if Bulldozer is so good that 2600k drops in price, i'll drop my i7-920 and get it :D 


I have a intel q6600 quad atm but I dont like it all that much. :( 
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September 15, 2011 1:44:08 AM

samuelspark said:
I have a intel q6600 quad atm but I dont like it all that much. :( 


Well yeah, nowadays it ain't all that impressive and I would highly recommend an upgrade. And if you can wait for Bulldozer to come out, no matter what you decide to buy, you will buy knowing all the facts and what the best deal is. Hell, you could end up getting a 2500k if it turned out to be better performance per dollar.

But back in 2007, the q6600 was one heck of a CPU, and for flat out gaming, the E6600 (Core2 not pentium) when it was released in august 2006, was EPIC!
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September 15, 2011 5:44:07 AM

samuelspark said:
I have a intel q6600 quad atm but I dont like it all that much. :( 


Seriously? Thats a great CPU. I have one with a HD5870 and still play every game maxed. Just finished my third run of Deus Ex Human Revolution.

As for the 4XXX BDs, I don't think they will quite edge out a 2500K. AMDs top end 8150 is priced at $266, just a bit above the 2500K and just under the 2600K. Thats where the performance will be for it and its a 8 core.
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September 15, 2011 6:01:34 AM

I'll just sit back, relax and wait for some benchmarks... besides, I'm not in a rush to upgrade yet.
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September 15, 2011 6:07:24 AM

i dont know but im getting a Bulldozer cpu even if its faster than sandy bridge or not. as long as its faster than phenom II then im cool.

im more stoked for the HD79xx series with that XDR2 son. but lets not get carried away with this though.

i like how easily the Bulldozers overclock.
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September 15, 2011 6:09:31 AM

Yeah Im not quite ready to upgrade my CPU Q6600 yet, I feel way more can be gained throught the 78/79xx cards coming out shortly
PS RAMBUS IS THE MOST INNOVATIVE COMPANY EVER !!!!
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September 15, 2011 6:31:51 AM

i would take the i5 2500k as i have yet to see what BD has to offer. Judging that the 8 core model is going for a similar price to the 2500k, i think per-core performance is expected to be lower, therefore, worse for gaming. I would not hesitate to get an i5 2500k right now if i had the money, at lieast till i see an actual benchmark of the AMD CPU's, you would have to be a complete moron to pre-order one without knowing what its performance would be like.
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September 15, 2011 6:43:07 AM

you wanna know whats really worse for gaming. a Pentium 4. now thats worse
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September 15, 2011 6:49:02 AM

samuelspark said:
Both cpu's are going to be around the same price (when fx-4120 comes out), but...

AMD FX-4120 Intel i5 2500k
3.9 GHz (stock) 3.3 GHz(stock)
1 MB L2 cache (per core) 256 KB L2 cache (per core)
8 MB L3 cache (shared cache) 6 MB L3 cache (shared cache)
4 cores / 4 threads 4 cores / 4 threads

AMD's bulldozers are going to nom-nom on Intel's processors. :) 

Prove me wrong (or agree with me).

As much as I want to agree with you, I want to be as objective as possible, and, at this point, will say that I will wait for benchmarks to make that call.

In the computer industry, it is not enough to just compare the clock frequency and size of cache.

Number wise, you are solid, the FX-4120 beats Intel i5 in each of the categories you have listed, but that's not the whole story.
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September 15, 2011 6:50:39 AM

samuelspark said:
Intel's Sandy Bridge are no more. :) 


Obvious troll.
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September 15, 2011 7:06:05 AM

I'm expecting the FX4120 to sit closer to the i5 2300 performance wise (or maybe just below), while being $20 cheaper.

That sounds more like what AMD does. Small difference in performance for a large difference in price.
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September 15, 2011 10:29:26 AM

jimmysmitty said:
Seriously? Thats a great CPU. I have one with a HD5870 and still play every game maxed. Just finished my third run of Deus Ex Human Revolution.

As for the 4XXX BDs, I don't think they will quite edge out a 2500K. AMDs top end 8150 is priced at $266, just a bit above the 2500K and just under the 2600K. Thats where the performance will be for it and its a 8 core.


I play at 1080p.
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September 15, 2011 10:39:08 AM

I am just waiting for the Bulldozer to move over from Intel, I have been hearing about Fusion for the last 5 yrs or so, but now is the time for AMD to "Hopefully" Dominate some market. :) 
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September 15, 2011 2:44:28 PM

Aren't they coming out on the 19th?
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September 15, 2011 2:51:22 PM

we shall see, no rush to bet on a winner when there is nothing to be won :D .
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September 15, 2011 3:01:23 PM

Don't see any Intel Bashing but oh well.

Btw, the Zambezi's got delayed AGAIN until October. LOL
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September 15, 2011 3:05:04 PM

So, OP is bashing Intel.

Not the whole thread.
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September 15, 2011 3:06:50 PM

There's a reason why I asked you guys to prove me wrong.
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September 15, 2011 3:37:50 PM

samuelspark said:
There's a reason why I asked you guys to prove me wrong.


I prefer AMD, but what you say above is completely nonsensical, As BD has not been released yet nobody can prove you wrong, but in the same breath you cannot prove yourself right.
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September 15, 2011 3:52:54 PM

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lol @ amd smh

once an i5-2500k is oc'd to around 4.5ghz no amd will compare

amds are just the best bang for the buck, they'll never be better than intel on performance but only better on price.



Again another sweeping statement with absolutely no foundation.
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September 15, 2011 5:52:15 PM

Only time will tell, I'm in an urge to upgrade, my system died 2 months ago. That's a lot of time w/o gaming. But I will wait, hopefully, a little bit for some benches.
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September 15, 2011 6:52:42 PM

^

I have to say, your son most likely has better grammar as well.
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September 15, 2011 6:57:50 PM

Oh no it's the grammar police. You don't have to be able to spell to be a dickhead.
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September 15, 2011 7:01:46 PM

What was the OP's question again? :??: 
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September 15, 2011 7:16:27 PM

Foul ? Certainly not.

Look at the top of the thread to see what the question was.
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September 15, 2011 7:24:11 PM

Sorry guys. This is my fault. I didn't mean this for this to be a troll thread.
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September 15, 2011 8:00:10 PM

so bulldozer holds the record for highest overclock. you cant explain that.
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September 15, 2011 8:02:18 PM

sandy bridge is being replaced very soon. so why keep talking about it, right guys? guys?
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September 15, 2011 8:04:42 PM

computernugget said:
sandy bridge is being replaced very soon. so why keep talking about it, right guys? guys?

indeed even if amd catch up with intel and can compete with SB as soon as next gen intel come amd behind again, amd 1 step behind atm and going to be for a while
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September 15, 2011 8:10:40 PM

It's all speculation until benchmarks are released.
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September 15, 2011 8:11:57 PM

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@spentshells...
no need for smart comments i will get this thread closed if this carries on.


You might as well I've seen you offer no real help.
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September 15, 2011 8:41:59 PM

These threads always degenerate and never result in anything productive.

Go help some more folks guys... there's lots of unanswered threads around and I can't get to them all.
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September 15, 2011 8:43:25 PM

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