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June 21, 2011 4:22:07 PM

Okay, so I have like £2000 right now, and I'm just about to order a new rig. It's gonna be custom built (obviously). I'm building this rig for gaming, and YouTube videos, using FRAPS mainly.

Ok, so here's the Intel system:


Gigabyte GA-Z68X-UD7-B3 Intel Z68 (Socket 1155) Motherboard £274.99
Corsair Vengeance 8GB (2x4GB) DDR3 PC3-12800C9 1600MHz Dual Channel Kit £74.99
Intel Core i7 2600K 3.40GHz (Sandy Bridge) Socket LGA1155 £234.98
MSI GeForce GTX 580 Twin Frozr II/OC 1536MB GDDR5 PCIe £379.99
Coolermaster HAF X Case - Black £129.98
Corsair HX 850W ATX2.2 Modular SLI Compliant Power Supply £124.99
OCZ Agility 3 SATA III 2.5" 120GB Solid State Hard Drive £184.99
Liteon IHBS112-37 12x Blu-Ray Rewriter SATA Black - OEM £79.98
Microsoft SideWinder X8 Mouse - Optical Wireless - Black £58.55
Microsoft Sidewinder X6 Keyboard £40.84

Total Price = £1,634.28


(I already have a 2TB hard drive for personal storage, so there's no need to buy a new one :bounce:  )

Here's the AMD system


Asus Crosshair V Formula AMD 990FX (Socket AM3+) Motherboard £189.98 (Waiting for Bulldozer really)
Corsair Vengeance 8GB (2x4GB) DDR3 PC3-12800C9 1600MHz Dual Channel Kit £74.99
AMD Phenom II X6 1100T Black Edition Six Core 3.3GHz Socket AM3 £151.98
MSI GeForce GTX 580 Twin Frozr II/OC 1536MB GDDR5 PCIe £379.99
Coolermaster HAF X Case - Black £129.98
Corsair HX 850W ATX2.2 Modular SLI Compliant Power Supply £124.99
OCZ Agility 3 SATA III 2.5" 120GB Solid State Hard Drive £184.99
Liteon IHBS112-37 12x Blu-Ray Rewriter SATA Black - OEM £79.98
Microsoft SideWinder X8 Mouse - Optical Wireless - Black £58.55
Microsoft Sidewinder X6 Keyboard £40.84

Total price = £1,466.27


Price difference (Intel - AMD) = £168.01
This means that the Intel setup simply costs £168.01 more than the AMD setup.

Which system should I pick? :pt1cable:  I'm not gonna cheap out on any components this time. Should I buy now, or wait till AMD's FX8000 8-core processor (Zambezi) which uses the Bulldozer micro-architecture or should I wait for Ivy Bridge? I don't mind waiting another month or two.

Thanks :D 

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June 21, 2011 4:59:57 PM

AMD's current picks are decent at most, so waiting for BD is my recommendation. However one option if you cant wait for a month would be a cheap X4 955 with a 990FX board then dropping in a BD when is comes out. So with your AMD build, either drop down to the 955 or wait. The 1100T isn't a CPU you'd want to stick with for long.

Your Intel build is mediocre also. For your needs a 2500K is perfectly enough, while a single 580 wouldn't be my choice. A pair of 6950 2GBs can outpace it by ~80% (or more if you can get your hands on a unlockable reference model) for only £20 more.

Other than that, maybe reconsider you case. IMO, the RV02 is a better air-colling case for a tad less cash.

What store are you buying from though?
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June 21, 2011 5:03:23 PM

Go with the intel i5 2500k, that'll satisfy all your needs for now.
June 21, 2011 5:07:38 PM

Timop said:
AMD's current picks are decent at most, so waiting for BD is my recommendation. However one option if you cant wait for a month would be a cheap X4 955 with a 990FX board then dropping in a BD when is comes out. So with your AMD build, either drop down to the 955 or wait. The 1100T isn't a CPU you'd want to stick with for long.

Your Intel build is mediocre also. For your needs a 2500K is perfectly enough, while a single 580 wouldn't be my choice. A pair of 6950 2GBs can outpace it by ~80% (or more if you can get your hands on a unlockable reference model) for only £20 more.

Other than that, maybe reconsider you case. IMO, the RV02 is a better air-colling case for a tad less cash.

What store are you buying from though?



I live in the UK, so the store I'm buying from is 'Novatech'. Core i5? I dunno man. If Zambezi isn't what I expect it to be, then I'm going to want a system that can last me 3 to 4 years with minor upgrade. IMHO I think the Core i7 is more 'futureproof' (although I know the defenition of 'futureproof' has changed today).
June 21, 2011 5:08:07 PM

The intel 2500k is the best bet for the money right now. But if you really want a amd rig just wait longer for bulldozer, how many times have they pushed it back now?
June 21, 2011 5:11:52 PM

jaydotosh said:
I live in the UK, so the store I'm buying from is 'Novatech'. Core i5? I dunno man. If Zambezi isn't what I expect it to be, then I'm going to want a system that can last me 3 to 4 years with minor upgrade. IMHO I think the Core i7 is more 'futureproof' (although I know the defenition of 'futureproof' has changed today).

The difference between the "i5" and "i7" is just hyper-threading, which doesn't and probably won't benefit gaming. If you want "future-proof", wait for SB-E, or just upgrade often. Ivy should be a drop-in for P67.

^
When as BD "pushed back" again?

June 21, 2011 5:12:24 PM

cia24 said:
The intel 2500k is the best bet for the money right now. But if you really want a amd rig just wait longer for bulldozer, how many times have they pushed it back now?



Yeah I know right! My first PC (back in 2001) was a Pentium 4 Northwood at 2.55Ghz

My dad got a laptop back in 2007 which was a AMD Turion dual core CPU

Then, many replacements later, I got given a Intel Celeron (single core) at 2.4Ghz (I think0

Currently, I have the AMD Athlon II X2 240, overclocked to 3.6Ghz coupled with a heavily overclocked 9400GT (don't get me wrong lol, I hate it ^^)

SO, this time, gaming is not my primary need as I use a lot of CAD programs, After Effects, intense gaming, so the more multi-threaded, the better :D 
June 21, 2011 5:13:55 PM

Timop said:
The difference between the "i5" and "i7" is just hyper-threading, which doesn't and probably won't benefit gaming. If you want "future-proof", wait for SB-E, or just upgrade often. Ivy should be a drop-in for P67.

^
When as BD "pushed back" again?



BD is releasing within the next 4 days I believe; 4 processors; the FX 6000 (hex-core), the FX 4000 (quad-core), and the FX 8000 (oct-core), each with variants respectively.
June 21, 2011 5:16:48 PM

If it releases in four days the reviews will pour in fast so because you have good timing why dont you hold off on your build for like a week so you can get what ever is best.
June 21, 2011 5:26:24 PM

cia24 said:
If it releases in four days the reviews will pour in fast so because you have good timing why dont you hold off on your build for like a week so you can get what ever is best.



Yeah I think I should. What rig are you using currently and are you planning on going to the dark side [AMD]?

I heard the have cookies, beer and teh pr0ns on the dark side....
June 21, 2011 6:01:38 PM

jaydotosh said:
Yeah I think I should. What rig are you using currently and are you planning on going to the dark side [AMD]?

I heard the have cookies, beer and teh pr0ns on the dark side....



i7-2600k at 4.2ghz-danger den waterblock
p67a-gd55
2x evga superclock'd gtx 580's ek wb's
corsair 800d 2x360mm rads lol

I used to be a AMD fan boy litterly, IMO i think sb will still kick BD's arse...
June 21, 2011 6:03:57 PM

But then again i have 2 rigs one intel one amd---amd rig just finished 1100t,asus fourmula,1 5970 so on not w/c'd yet
June 21, 2011 7:12:29 PM

cia24 said:
But then again i have 2 rigs one intel one amd---amd rig just finished 1100t,asus fourmula,1 5970 so on not w/c'd yet

The core i7 rig seems pretty impressive. I guess I don't know what I am now. A year ago I used to be an AMD fanboy, but now, I've become more practical; I've realized that these days brand loyalty isn't valued as much as it once was. Again, if BD is a disapointment (i.e it doesn't kick Intel's a$$) then I guess I'll make an Intel rig. Do you have Bad Company 2? Just wondering, because I really am curious as to the amount of FPS your rig (pretty similar to my rig) crunches out. Battlefield 3 is one of the main reason I'm upgrading, and also I'm REALLY fed up with playing games at 1280x720 with like 25FPS.... I hate that. :pfff: 

I heard some motherboards built for BD will utilize TWO processors on one mobo. :ouch: 
June 21, 2011 7:14:56 PM

I play bc2 daily-weekely with vsync off i get 140 fps at max settings 1920x1080 lol. big maps get like 110-120
June 21, 2011 7:16:54 PM

Funny thing I have some big money bets with people that BD will be great for something but not for gaming, Amd cannot beat intel anymore its a joke to think they can, then intels ivy will be better then sb so amd cant beat it lol. they just cant, its like saying a vw golf can beat a bugatti.
June 21, 2011 7:49:36 PM

cia24 said:
Funny thing I have some big money bets with people that BD will be great for something but not for gaming, Amd cannot beat intel anymore its a joke to think they can, then intels ivy will be better then sb so amd cant beat it lol. they just cant, its like saying a vw golf can beat a bugatti.

They are both made by VW, so its more like Pentium vs i7, a more appropriate analogy would be "like a Hyundai can beat a McLaren".

Which might just happen if they wanted to. :pt1cable: 
June 21, 2011 7:59:40 PM

jaydotosh said:
I live in the UK, so the store I'm buying from is 'Novatech'. Core i5? I dunno man. If Zambezi isn't what I expect it to be, then I'm going to want a system that can last me 3 to 4 years with minor upgrade. IMHO I think the Core i7 is more 'futureproof' (although I know the defenition of 'futureproof' has changed today).



1. Nothing is future proof. The best you can do is to build the most powerful computer you can afford today and do it again when it no longer does something you can't live without.

2. There will ALWAYS be something better coming out in a month or two.

3. Intel is infamous for obsoleting their platforms without conscience. AMD much less so.
June 21, 2011 9:02:31 PM

ram1009 said:
1. Nothing is future proof. The best you can do is to build the most powerful computer you can afford today and do it again when it no longer does something you can't live without.

2. There will ALWAYS be something better coming out in a month or two.

3. Intel is infamous for obsoleting their platforms without conscience. AMD much less so.

I know everything your talking about even before I posted in this forum. The Intel thing you told me is the major downside with buying Intel.

Thanks anyways :p 
June 21, 2011 9:06:58 PM

cia24 said:
Funny thing I have some big money bets with people that BD will be great for something but not for gaming, Amd cannot beat intel anymore its a joke to think they can, then intels ivy will be better then sb so amd cant beat it lol. they just cant, its like saying a vw golf can beat a bugatti.

You never know dude..... [:podxt:2]
June 21, 2011 9:07:18 PM

Timop said:
They are both made by VW, so its more like Pentium vs i7, a more appropriate analogy would be "like a Hyundai can beat a McLaren".

Which might just happen if they wanted to. :pt1cable: 

AHHAHAHAHAA pedantic much?
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