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April 8, 2011 1:19:39 AM

My pc:

CPU: I7 920 @2.66GZ

RAM: OCZ DRR3 1600mz 6gb (2x3)

MB: Asus x58 LGA 1366

GPU: HD 4870

PSU: 750W

I was going to get a 560 or 6950, but I now can get a gtx 580 so I have a few question's before I buy:

1) Is this card longer than a HD 4870?

2) Will I need to OC to not have a loss of more than 10-15%?

3) Will the old ATI driver's need to be killed?

4) Is there any game out right now that this can't max out at 1080p?

5) What are the odds that it will be DOA?

6) Will the card light the game up like a nuke or look more "realtic". ( When I have played some game's with ATI the lighting look's odd and yellower than geForce card's or is it just me.)

7) Is DX11 all that good or will be soon?

8) Will I need to get a 850w and up PSU for SLI?

9) Is Sparkle ok/good or not?

10) Will it be good for 3-5 years like the cards in the past I got?

I have had all ati cards so this will be my first GeForce card. I want to get the best card I can so I don't have to think about it for 2-4 years. I was going to wait a 1-2 more years, but thing's change. This will be the best one yet. :bounce: 

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a b U Graphics card
April 8, 2011 4:19:14 AM

1) Is this card longer than a HD 4870? Yes. The GTX 580 is 10.5 inches, and the 4870 is somewhere between 9 and 9.5

2) Will I need to OC to not have a loss of more than 10-15%? Loss of what?

3) Will the old ATI driver's need to be killed? For sure. Make sure to completely uninstall them before putting in the nvidia card. You could use driver sweeper if you wanted.

4) Is there any game out right now that this can't max out at 1080p? The 580 averages a little over 35fps on Metro 2033 (the most demanding game today) at Very High settings at 1080p.

5) What are the odds that it will be DOA? Small, but IDK the exact number. Not significantly more than any other card, don't worry about it.

6) Will the card light the game up like a nuke or look more "realtic". ( When I have played some game's with ATI the lighting look's odd and yellower than geForce card's or is it just me.) Should be the same on all cards. Maybe the HDR was turned too high, or the gamma was messed up. You shouldn't have any problem.

7) Is DX11 all that good or will be soon? Not really. It has nice tesselation and some other cool effects, but hardly any games use it at all, and in those that do, it's pretty much an afterthought. It's not like it's bad, though, just underutilized.

8) Will I need to get a 850w and up PSU for SLI? According to the Guru3d sli 580 review, they used ~522w for the cards alone. Add in a 140w overclocked processor, other components, and you should be close to or over 700w. I would guess 850w would be sufficient if it is a good brand such as antec, corsair, or the like.

9) Is Sparkle ok/good or not? Very low-end, but I don't have any personal experience with them.

10) Will it be good for 3-5 years like the cards in the past I got? You will for sure be able to play any game that comes out in the next 5 years. Whether or not you will be able to max it is a different matter. I would guess we will be stuck with lame console ports more often than not, but who knows? Maybe another Crysis will revolutionize PC gaming.
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April 8, 2011 5:45:46 PM

The best deal was on a Sparkle so I would like to know if they are like acer or not. (Acer is the biggest junk I have ever seen in life as a brand.)

I hope a "another Crysis will revolutionize PC gaming".

I like RTS game's the most, but I am starting to like fps game's. In the past the most I could get was a $100 card so no Fps on them. I did not get crysis intell a year after I got the 4870. I got it for $150 two year's ago.

I just don't want to have to think about an upgrade when I go to a 2-4 year school this year.
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a b U Graphics card
April 8, 2011 8:52:21 PM

Well, I wouldn't worry too much about brand. Most of the cards are designed by nvidia, and that one uses Nvidia's exact reference cooler anyway. The only difference between reference cards is warranty and support. Not like Acer lol I hate them too.

Yes, a GTX 580 should last you quite a while. I wish I had one myself, but even my relatively old 5750 has kept me happy for a year and a half.
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a b U Graphics card
April 9, 2011 11:19:45 AM

Sparkle is a nice brand, never had any problems with my old GT 9500, 580 would max out all games next 2 years for sure and probably run most of games for next 3 years on high and maybe even 4, fortunately Crysis 2 isn't as demanding as many other games and only a bit more demanding than Crysis/ Crysis Warhead, but imo Crysis/ Crysis Warhead had nicer graphics...
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April 9, 2011 11:43:09 AM

Since you want to get a gtx 580 then money probably is not an issue for you... like shrkbay said... sparkle is a nice vendor but if you're not confident with that you can get other brand that has set its reputation for good warranty service and so on... you can get evga... gigabyte or asus... and if you have a good casing maybe you an spend a little bit more to get a aftermarket cooling card...
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April 9, 2011 11:46:45 AM

Tom's Hardware's review of the 580 in Metro 2033 was probably on medium settings. There is no way a single 580 can maintain 88fps avg on maxed out settings.
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April 9, 2011 11:48:53 AM

shrkbay said:
Sparkle is a nice brand, never had any problems with my old GT 9500, 580 would max out all games next 2 years for sure and probably run most of games for next 3 years on high and maybe even 4, fortunately Crysis 2 isn't as demanding as many other games and only a bit more demanding than Crysis/ Crysis Warhead, but imo Crysis/ Crysis Warhead had nicer graphics...



Just because Crysis 2 isn't DX11 doesn't mean it isn't demanding. I average 45 fps on extreme settings which is about 20fps lower than what I get in BC2 on maxed settings using a 1080p monitor.
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a b U Graphics card
April 9, 2011 11:51:13 AM

^ or MSI, which is also a great company, EVGA's cards are usually pretty expensive compared to others and usually have worse components, but i can't deny fact that their warranty support is really nice just like GIGABYTE etc, Sparkle is badass and old-school :lol: 

OP: you can also look for some other companies' cards, if you mind to pay 20$ more for GIGABYTE or any other company it'd be also a nice deal unless you get a deal for Sparkle Calibre...

One company you should avoid is Palit, many people don't recommend them
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a b U Graphics card
April 9, 2011 11:52:44 AM

@Carc, i did not say that Crysis 2 is not demanding, i said it's not as demanding as many other games
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April 9, 2011 11:57:11 AM

yeah.. and you should not be too concerned about the future proof thing or there is any game out there that can't max out... there will always be a game out there which is going to challenge current graphics technology... that is what drives the company to produce a more powerful gpu... think about this.. what's the point of upgrading your gpu if all games out there can be played smoothly by a 3 year old gpu? for metro 2033 you can never achieve that much with one card if you enable all the settings like tessellation... physx... advanced DOF effects and so on at high resolutions.... you may need two to three cards at least to achieve that results
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a b U Graphics card
April 9, 2011 9:17:30 PM

Carc369 said:
Tom's Hardware's review of the 580 in Metro 2033 was probably on medium settings. There is no way a single 580 can maintain 88fps avg on maxed out settings.


Yeah, sorry I didn't catch that.
HardOCP did a review of the 580, and it managed a little over 35fps on Very High.
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April 9, 2011 11:18:44 PM

shrkbay said:
@Carc, i did not say that Crysis 2 is not demanding, i said it's not as demanding as many other games



That's what I meant. There are maybe 5 games more demanding than Crysis 2 including Metro 2033, Crysis and Crysis Warhead.
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April 10, 2011 11:38:12 PM

Does the 4870 use 6 pin or 8 pin? My PSU does not have any thing more than the two pin's for my 4870. I was about to get one when I saw this may not work. thanks all.
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April 11, 2011 2:41:20 AM

4ktv said:
Does the 4870 use 6 pin or 8 pin? My PSU does not have any thing more than the two pin's for my 4870. I was about to get one when I saw this may not work. thanks all.



I assume you mean 580 since you have a 4870 and I hope you wouldn't be asking a question like that about a video card you have >.>.


A 580 uses a 6+8 pin.

So you need 2 PCI-E connectors. One of which, is 6-pin the other 8-pin.
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April 11, 2011 2:58:33 AM

Well I am glad I looked before doing it. I will have to think about "playing the waiting game" or not. I did not put 580 by mistake some how. I don't have the $ to buy a PSU and a gtx 580. I know CF or sli would be more fps for the $, but then I would need a new PSU and is only going to work if the game is ok with it. Now if I could get a 6990 for 200 new then that would be ok. This is a kind of on the to do list some time before I am too old for gaming.
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April 11, 2011 6:55:15 AM

You will not get a 6990 for $200 even in 3 years.

Get a 6950 and unlock it into a 6970. It's ~$270 and has the performance of a 570 when unlocked.
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April 11, 2011 10:59:24 AM

crysis 2 is very very less demanding compared to warhead... my 570 is able to max out settings include v-sync in full hd resolution... unlike warhead... at full hd with 4xAA i still experience stuttering...
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a b U Graphics card
April 11, 2011 3:12:48 PM

correction: 6950 is more like 240$ not 270$, @ phenom90, Crysis2 is probably as demanding as Crysis warhead, only thing is, that in Crysis Warhead you have better effects that make your FPS lower
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April 11, 2011 3:47:04 PM

When do more of the 3gb versions come out and will they cost more? The only 3gb gtx 580 I have seen was made by palit.
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April 11, 2011 4:18:45 PM

^probably not 3-4 times better watt per performance, cause you have only ~40% better performance *max* and ~40% lower power consumption, so don't expect them to be such a big deal, even the 580 will probably beat half of them, AMP2 is not available yet i believe
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April 11, 2011 5:09:40 PM

So at the end of the year they will come out with card's that are 3 to 4 times better? If it's going to be that kind of jump then I should wait then. I was thinking like 30-40% better at most. I still am unsure if my PSU has a 8 pin. I can't seem to find it.
I dont think more than 450-500, becuase I did not get that much more to put down for a GPU.
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a b U Graphics card
April 11, 2011 5:19:11 PM

^no, not 3-4 times better, now GPUs use 40nm technology, at the end of the year or probably beggining of next year they will release 28nm series, the difference between 40-28 = 12 *33%* so probably the maximum you'll get from 28nm series will be 40% of performance increase, later in 2013 they'll use 22nm's, which will be more effective...
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April 11, 2011 7:20:26 PM

I did it and got this one: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

I am a bit unsure if it was a good idea, but it should do me good for 3-5 years so it's not all that bad and most of the $ I got was made off selling 4 starcraft 2 CE I got at $25 a pop so I don't feel so bad about it. It feel's like I only paid 200, becuase I made like more than 300 off the PC game's.

Thank's all
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April 11, 2011 7:21:52 PM

Best answer selected by 4ktv.
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