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June 22, 2011 12:04:26 AM

Purchase Date: Hopefully this week
Budget: 700-900
System Usage: Gaming/Surfing(same importance), Movie Watching, Video Encoding and Format Changing
Parts/Components Uneeded: OS, Monitor, keyboard, mouse or any peripherals really. If you can recommend a good mouse/keyboard under $20 each, I would jump on it though and windows 7 for a good price? Don't really want to spend $100 as I already have Vista.
Preferred websites: Newegg.com and Tigerdirect.com but I like newegg better.
Country: U.S.
Parts Pref: Intel or AMD Proc. Heard alot of good things about Nvidia for Graphics but if you can convince me otherwise, by all means recommend an AMD GPU.
Overclocking: Probably Yes
SLI/Crossfire: In the future yes.
Monitor Res: 1440x900 (weird I know its an old Gateway Flatscreen LCD)
Comments: Performance/Cost is most important.

>Case- Antec 300--$70
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
>HD- Samsung F3 1TB--$60
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
>Graphics- Geforce 560 Ti Galaxy GC Edition--$195
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
>CPU- i5 Sandy Bridge 2500K+MSI P67A-G45 (B3)--$323
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...
>RAM- G.SKILL Ripjaws X 4GB DDR3 1333--$43
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
>DVD- LITE-ON SATA DVD--$19
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
>PSU- OCZ ModXStream Pro 700W Modular--$60
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...


So, about $785 after mail-in rebates including shipping. About $844.92 before mail-in rebates with shipping.

All prices for the specific parts are after Mail-In Rebates.
Am I missing anything and most importantly are all my components compatible? How can I improve performance? Can possibly increase budget up to say $900 max if whatever is suggested boosts performance considerably.

Thanks Guys!!!
June 22, 2011 12:24:56 AM

Yeah, they have a killer deal for the Galaxy 560 Ti right now. And can be overclocked to 975mhz without an overvolt.
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June 22, 2011 1:11:16 AM

Ok you're not OCing and you're not SLI/CF. Drop the P67 board, you don't need it.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
That'll save $25
I don't trust Galaxy to honor their rebates at all (I've heard this from a few forum members).
I suggest going with the MSI Twin Frozr II 560 Ti OC'd (it'll run cooler, they honor MIRs)
http://www.amazon.com/MSI-PCI-Express-N560GTX-TWIN-FROZ...

Get the Samsung F3 1TB, same price. More space, and performs basically the same if not faster (and quieter for sure)
http://www.amazon.com/Samsung-Spinpoint-Cache-Desktop-H...

Everything else looks good. @ Your current res though, the 560 Ti OC'd may bottleneck with the monitor (since it's more GPU power/pixel) so I'd suggest upgrading monitors if it does. If it doesn't great! (Again I'm just guessing, I've only used the 5850 and 1680x1050 monitors).


June 22, 2011 1:16:09 AM

Thanks, swapped that out for the 900. Now I could get the 2500k or a 6950. Which would you think?
June 22, 2011 1:22:32 AM

aznshinobi said:
Ok you're not OCing and you're not SLI/CF. Drop the P67 board, you don't need it.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
That'll save $25
I don't trust Galaxy to honor their rebates at all (I've heard this from a few forum members).
I suggest going with the MSI Twin Frozr II 560 Ti OC'd (it'll run cooler, they honor MIRs)
http://www.amazon.com/MSI-PCI-Express-N560GTX-TWIN-FROZ...

Get the Samsung F3 1TB, same price. More space, and performs basically the same if not faster (and quieter for sure)
http://www.amazon.com/Samsung-Spinpoint-Cache-Desktop-H...

Everything else looks good. @ Your current res though, the 560 Ti OC'd may bottleneck with the monitor (since it's more GPU power/pixel) so I'd suggest upgrading monitors if it does. If it doesn't great! (Again I'm just guessing, I've only used the 5850 and 1680x1050 monitors).


How do you mean bottleneck? Too powerful or the monitor is so outdated?

Thanks!
June 22, 2011 1:32:21 AM

2500K or 6950? Well the 560 Ti OC'd performs passed the 6950 so keep the 560. I'd say you don't really need to change anything. If anything the money should be used for the SSD in the future. But that's basically it.

Your monitor's resolution is only 1440x900. A 5770 or 6850 could max out @ that res, so what I'm saying is, you have a LOT more graphical power than needed. Of course it'll all depend on the games. To reduce resolution bottleneck, try to set games @ max settings usually reduces those kinds of bottlenecks.
June 22, 2011 1:42:16 AM

Oh okay, so the card will be more powerful than necessary for the resolution. That's good for me, because the card will be more futureproof at that resolution but I may be gaming on a 1080P TV so I can play on that.

And you think it would be worth the extra $35 to get the twin frozr 2 oc vs. the galaxy oc?
June 22, 2011 3:02:00 AM

Jmassault said:
If you decide to go with the twin frozr II here's a combo of it and the 2500k.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...


Just did that came out to $815. Looks great to me for the price. Thanks a lot:D 

I also have this build:
Motherboard-GIGABYTE GA-78LMT-SP2 AM3+ --$65
Antec 300 Illusion--$70
ASUS DVD--$17
MSI 560 Ti Twin Frozr II--$220
OCZ ModSSream 600W Modular Pro--$50
G.Skill 4Gb 2x2Gb DDR3 1333mhz-$37
AMD Phenom II X4 BE Deneb 3.2GHz--$114
Free $15 Gift Card??????--$-15

Total $625 if you count the Free Gift Card as -$15

What would be the difference in performance for gaming and other demanding stuff(Video Encoding, Game Design,Blender Modeling ect.) between this and the sandy bridge?. Is it worth it to go Sandy Bridge?
June 22, 2011 3:16:30 AM

Matt34533 said:
Just did that came out to $815. Looks great to me for the price. Thanks a lot:D 

I also have this build:
Motherboard-GIGABYTE GA-78LMT-SP2 AM3+ --$65
Antec 300 Illusion--$70
ASUS DVD--$17
MSI 560 Ti Twin Frozr II--$220
OCZ ModSSream 600W Modular Pro--$50
G.Skill 4Gb 2x2Gb DDR3 1333mhz-$37
AMD Phenom II X4 BE Deneb 3.2GHz--$114
Free $15 Gift Card??????--$-15

Total $625 if you count the Free Gift Card as -$15

What would be the difference in performance for gaming and other demanding stuff(Video Encoding, Game Design,Blender Modeling ect.) between this and the sandy bridge?. Is it worth it to go Sandy Bridge?


2500k or 2600k will destroy pretty much any amd chip you put in front of them. The highest of the high end chips can almost dream of getting close to 2500k but still fail.
June 22, 2011 3:28:07 AM

elrui said:
2500k or 2600k will destroy pretty much any amd chip you put in front of them. The highest of the high end chips can almost dream of getting close to 2500k but still fail.


Sandy Bridge it is then lol.
June 22, 2011 4:20:24 PM

Hey Matt,

I personally feel a good P67 board in the 130-150 range (gigabyte, msi and asrock all offer good ones in this range) and a 2500k is the best price/performance combo(however for 159 you can get the sweet asrock p67 extreme 4 which has features comparable to most 200+ boards). You may not think about OC'n right now, but for such a small price point difference having the flexibility to do so in the future will be nice. Not to mention how easy it is to OC and how cool the 2500k can run (usually 4.2-4.5mhz on stock cooler without getting insane temps). Again this is just my personal opinion but it is definitely the sweet spot in my eyes.

Thanks!
June 22, 2011 7:17:19 PM

If you do plan to overclock, you should at least hit 4ghz+ or it wouldn't be worth it. High overclocks are all dependent on the grade of your CPU, not all CPUs are made to 100% perfection. So just be aware you may need a CPU cooler to push the limits of the 2500K further.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...
This leaves room for future CF/SLI and OCing.
June 22, 2011 7:45:42 PM

aznshinobi said:
If you do plan to overclock, you should at least hit 4ghz+ or it wouldn't be worth it. High overclocks are all dependent on the grade of your CPU, not all CPUs are made to 100% perfection. So just be aware you may need a CPU cooler to push the limits of the 2500K further.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...
This leaves room for future CF/SLI and OCing.


Okay, to do that I would have to go back to the Galaxy 560 Ti. I've read about their rebate issues and its just that they're strict about following their directions when you send in the rebates, like if you have multiple rebates each must be in its own envelope and stuff like that.
June 22, 2011 7:46:55 PM

Alright if you trust Galaxy, the cooler is not as great (I mean by quite a bit).
June 22, 2011 8:37:44 PM

No I meant like how cool it'll run.
June 22, 2011 8:42:04 PM

aznshinobi said:
No I meant like how cool it'll run.


Oh okay, what will be the benfits there? Will that improve longevity of the card?
June 22, 2011 9:40:55 PM

In a sense, higher overclocks. If you can overclock to a certain point thats great, but it is also dependent on how hot it'll run when at that speed. Personally I don't like cards going over 75*C when on load. So I like cooler temps.
Also, in some cases the TFII (MSI) is the quietest coolers out there. I dunno about the Galaxy.
June 23, 2011 1:01:55 AM

Okay, there's a problem. My budget just went down to max 700 maybe 800 and I won't be getting my stuff until all the MIRs are over:( (

If worst comes to worst what would be better?
Phenom II X4 965?
or i3 2100?
June 23, 2011 7:25:49 AM

Hey Matt,

Check out the latest article posted on the main page, it should hold a lot of interest for you. It's basically a comparison of the two options you just listed. The System Builder's Marathon for the $500 budget pc.
June 23, 2011 4:46:41 PM

aznshinobi said:
I think you should check out my build guide then Matt.
http://www.squidoo.com/electronicandmore
Just swap the i3 2100 for the i5 2400
And swap the 5850 for the 6870 and you should be below your budget.


How is the 6870 vs the 560 ti including overclocks because I will probably be OCing.
June 23, 2011 7:33:23 PM

The 6870 can get up to the 560 Ti depending on the model. The 560 Ti can get up to the 570. But that's what you get when you pay about 50-60$ more.
June 23, 2011 11:05:09 PM

aznshinobi said:
The 6870 can get up to the 560 Ti depending on the model. The 560 Ti can get up to the 570. But that's what you get when you pay about 50-60$ more.


So would it be worth it to get a motherboard that wil be able to SLI in the future with another 560 ti if its going to cost me more for a motherboard? Or should I just save the money now and get a whole new card in the future? Like how many years does adding a second card that is a few years old add to the longevity of your system? I know its a complex question, thanks.
June 23, 2011 11:21:29 PM

Well it all depends on the budget, I'd say that it's worth it to spend a little more for a motherboard that can run 8x/8x. I think the 6870 is sufficient and even more sufficient in CF, it beats out a 580 and costs less.
June 25, 2011 4:54:15 PM

aznshinobi said:
Well it all depends on the budget, I'd say that it's worth it to spend a little more for a motherboard that can run 8x/8x. I think the 6870 is sufficient and even more sufficient in CF, it beats out a 580 and costs less.


OKkay, so what would be better? Getting a 460 for $110 on sale right now and getting the 2500k and sli mobo or getting a 2100 and the same crossfire mobo with a galaxy 560 ti at $195. Each of those options puts me in my current budget/amount of money I want to spend.

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June 25, 2011 6:42:55 PM
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I'd say go with the 2500K and a 460. Which 460 is it?
June 25, 2011 8:41:27 PM

aznshinobi said:
I'd say go with the 2500K and a 460. Which 460 is it?


Its the ASUS Direct CU 1GB version and its actually 130. Or I can get the Zotac 460 1gb for 120. Or the ASUS Direct CU 768MB for 115
June 25, 2011 8:54:50 PM

Go with the DirectCu 1GB. More memory is better on higher resolutions. Not by a WHOLE lot, but it helps.
June 25, 2011 9:12:20 PM

aznshinobi said:
Go with the DirectCu 1GB. More memory is better on higher resolutions. Not by a WHOLE lot, but it helps.


Awesome, thanks for all the help. Last question. So you think this setup will allow me to play BF3 at high-ultra settings with decent 30+ FPS? I know its unrealeased so its tough, but I want to know if I should switch my preorder with the game stop from X360 to PC. And how about Skyrim? Best awnser goes to you. Thanks!
June 25, 2011 9:13:06 PM

Best answer selected by matt34533.
June 26, 2011 8:41:09 AM

I think it'd play Skyrim fine, but unsure about BF3. I think on Ultra-high settings, not possible @ 30+ FPS. Mainly because BF3's Demo was played with a 580 and the 580 didn't run it on high. But until then, just speculation. You should just wait until the game comes out.
June 26, 2011 9:26:20 AM

aznshinobi said:
I think it'd play Skyrim fine, but unsure about BF3. I think on Ultra-high settings, not possible @ 30+ FPS. Mainly because BF3's Demo was played with a 580 and the 580 didn't run it on high. But until then, just speculation. You should just wait until the game comes out.


Just make sure whatever motherboard you get supports SLI/Xfire. That way if BF3 comes out you can just buy your card a twin and compete with the current "best" single cards out there.

That's my plan!
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