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PCIe 2.1 x16 @x2

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My video card is a PCI Express 2.1 x16, but it's running as PCI Express 2.0 x2. My motherboard says it supports PCIe 2.0(but doesn't specifically say 2.1) x16, but I find it hard to believe that would be the reason it's running @x2 and I can't get it to x16. I hope someone can help me.

Here's a screenshot of GPUz, if it helps.
http://gpuz.techpowerup.com/11/04/08/x3.png

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What is the make and model of the motherboard?

Reply to ko888

Exactly what motherboard do you have? Could you have put it into a shorter 4x slot or something :O

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Sorry, forgot to mention that, the motherboard is ASUS M4A78T-E. My video card is in the first slot (PCIe 2.0 x16). I just looked up my video card online and it says 2.0 x16, this is starting to drive me crazy. I hope someone can help me out because as far as I can tell, this should be running at x16 not x2.

Edit: I just put my full system specs in my signature for further reference.


Message edited by MrJets on 04-09-2011 at 03:01:13 PM
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Check my first post for the gpu-z screenshot. Sorry but I'm not sure what that point of the diagram you posted is, all I know is that if you look up my motherboard http://usa.asus.com/product.aspx?P_ID=cf8IZzbU4m6GHKnW and check the specs it'll tell you it has 2 PCIe 2.0 x16 slots.

Thanks for the replies.

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Reply to MrJets

Dadiggle wrote :

Sorry didnt see the screenshot images was on cached for some reason. That image was just to get the details of your mobo up so that everyone can see the slots its got. Can you please run furmark or a benchmarking utility that will stress the gpu and run gpu-z again see if it stays the same

Please make sure your onboard graphics is disabled in the bios aswell



Alright, I ran furmark and unfortunately gpu-z stayed the same(I assume this was to test any power saving that might be happening). My onboard gfx is disabled, I did this yesterday hoping it would change something but it didn't.

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Reply to MrJets

Reseat the card, I had the same problem with my 6950 when I first installed it, the problem was caused by a little grease on the card edge connector, a light clean with isopropyl alcohol and a pen eraser resolved the issue.

Reply to coozie7

I cleaned the card connector, reseated it in the first slot with no change. Moved it to the second slot, no change. Thanks for helping me out, I hope someone has more suggestions, I'm willing to try anything.

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Reply to MrJets

Dadiggle wrote :

download hwinfo
http://www.hwinfo.com/

and everest
http://www.lavalys.com/products/do [...] n&pageid=3

see what they show you.
then try upgrading your bios as well

Upgrade your bios to the latest



My BIOS is up-to-date.

AIDA64 GPU INFO:

Graphics Processor Properties
Video Adapter ATI Radeon HD 5770 (Juniper)
BIOS Version 012.020.000.005.034524
BIOS Date 04/16/10 22:17
GPU Code Name Juniper XT
Part Number 113-XXXXXXX-XXX
PCI Device 1002-68B8 / 0000-0000 (Rev 00)
Transistors 1040 million
Process Technology 40 nm
Die Size 170 mm2
Bus Type PCI Express 2.0 x16 @ x2
Memory Size 1 GB
GPU Clock 157 MHz (original: 850 MHz)
RAMDAC Clock 400 MHz
Pixel Pipelines 16
Texture Mapping Units 40
Unified Shaders 800 (v5.0)
DirectX Hardware Support DirectX v11
Pixel Fillrate 2512 MPixel/s
Texel Fillrate 6280 MTexel/s

Memory Bus Properties
Bus Type GDDR5
Bus Width 128-bit
Real Clock 300 MHz (QDR) (original: 1200 MHz)
Effective Clock 1200 MHz
Bandwidth 18.8 GB/s

Utilization
GPU 0%

ATI PowerPlay (BIOS)
State #1 GPU: 850 MHz, Memory: 1200 MHz (Boot)
State #2 GPU: 850 MHz, Memory: 1200 MHz
State #3 GPU: 400 MHz, Memory: 900 MHz (UVD)
State #4 GPU: 850 MHz, Memory: 1200 MHz
State #5 GPU: 157 MHz, Memory: 300 MHz
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
HWiNFO gives a lot of different information, I've been looking through it for the past 15 minutes and I'm not sure what to post that will help but here goes:


PCI Express Version: 2.0
Maximum Link Width: 16x
Current Link Width: 2x
Maximum Link Speed: 5.0 Gb/s
Current Link Speed: 5.0 Gb/s
Device/Port Type: Legacy PCI Express Endpoint
Slot Implemented: No
Active State Power Management (ASPM) Support: L0s and L1
Active State Power Management (ASPM) Status: Disabled

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Reply to MrJets

Sorry the reseat did n't work...One can but try.
Something seems a litte odd, HWINFO is showing the current link speed as 5Gb/s, which is correct for PCI-E 2.0 at x16! Perhaps something is preventing the monitoring software from reporting the correct values.
Can you benchmark any games and compare your results with those from reviews of the HD5770? Your results may not be exactly the same but a big loss in framerates would at least rule out software errors.
Can you try the card in another machine?
Can you try another card in this machine?

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Message edited by coozie7 on 04-09-2011 at 07:25:00 PM
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In your motherboard's AMI BIOS Setup Utility:

Advanced menu
> CPU Configuration
> Chipset <============= Choose this option
> Onboard Devices Configuration
> USB Configuration
> PCIPnP


Chipset menu
Advanced Chipset Settings
----------------------------------------------------------------
> NorthBridge Configuration
> RS780D Configuration <=== Choose this option


RS780D Configuration
NorthBridge2 Chipset Configuration
----------------------------------------------------------------
> Internal Graphics Configuration
> PCI Express Configuration <=== Choose this option
----------------------------------------------------------------
Primary Video Controller [GFX0-GPP-IGFX-PCI]

NB Power Management Features [Auto]


PCI Express Configuration
----------------------------------------------------------------
GFX Dual Slot Configuration [Auto] <=== Try changing this to [Enable]
GPP Slots Power Limit, W [25]


GFX Dual Slot Configuration [Auto]
[Auto] - Switches the PCIe lane of the PCIEX16_1 and PCIEX16_2 slots automatically.
[Enable] - Sets the PCIe lane of the PCIe lane of the PCIEX16_1 and PCIEX16_2 slots to x8/x8 or x16/x1 links.
[Disabled] - Disables this function

Reply to ko888

coozie7 wrote :

Sorry the reseat did n't work...One can but try.
Something seems a litte odd, HWINFO is showing the current link speed as 5Gb/s, which is correct for PCI-E 2.0 at x16! Perhaps something is preventing the monitoring software from reporting the correct values.
Can you benchmark any games and compare your results with those from reviews of the HD5770? Your results may not be exactly the same but a big loss in framerates would at least rule out software errors.
Can you try the card in another machine?
Can you try another card in this machine?



Out of everything I looked at in HWiNFO, the max/current link speed both being the same struck me as odd which is why I posted it.

So I downloaded 3DMark Vantage and I'm comparing things to this http://www.tomshardware.com/review [...] 446-5.html

GPU Test Results:
Performance - 9033
High - 6261

Those scores are actually a bit higher than what is in the graphs, does this mean that it's running at x16 but software is seeing it as x2?

ko888 wrote :

In your motherboard's AMI BIOS Setup Utility:

Advanced menu
> CPU Configuration
> Chipset <============= Choose this option
> Onboard Devices Configuration
> USB Configuration
> PCIPnP


Chipset menu
Advanced Chipset Settings
----------------------------------------------------------------
> NorthBridge Configuration
> RS780D Configuration <=== Choose this option


RS780D Configuration
NorthBridge2 Chipset Configuration
----------------------------------------------------------------
> Internal Graphics Configuration
> PCI Express Configuration <=== Choose this option
----------------------------------------------------------------
Primary Video Controller [GFX0-GPP-IGFX-PCI]

NB Power Management Features [Auto]


PCI Express Configuration
----------------------------------------------------------------
GFX Dual Slot Configuration [Auto] <=== Try changing this to [Enable]
GPP Slots Power Limit, W [25]


GFX Dual Slot Configuration [Auto]
[Auto] - Switches the PCIe lane of the PCIEX16_1 and PCIEX16_2 slots automatically.
[Enable] - Sets the PCIe lane of the PCIe lane of the PCIEX16_1 and PCIEX16_2 slots to x8/x8 or x16/x1 links.
[Disabled] - Disables this function



Once I get into the PCI Express Configuration, there is no option for Primary Video Controller or anything that you mention after that. I've looked through my manual and I know it must've been there in an older version of the BIOS, but not in the latest version.

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Message edited by MrJets on 04-09-2011 at 09:49:53 PM
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Reply to MrJets

What does CPU-Z report on the Mainboard tab page in the Graphic Interface group box for Link Width and Max. Supported?

Does it also have the same reporting error?

Reply to ko888

ko888 wrote :

What does CPU-Z report on the Mainboard tab page in the Graphic Interface group box for Link Width and Max. Supported?

Does it also have the same reporting error?



In CPU-z it says pretty much the same thing. Graphic Interface: PCI Express; Link Width: x2; Maximum Width: x16

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MrJets wrote :

Once I get into the PCI Express Configuration, there is no option for Primary Video Controller or anything that you mention after that. I've looked through my manual and I know it must've been there in an older version of the BIOS, but not in the latest version.


Do you get a list of ports from Port #02 to Port #07?

PCI Express Configuration
----------------------------------------------------------------
GFX Dual Slot Configuration [Auto]
GPP Slots Power Limit, W [25]

> Port #02 Features <=== This one should correspond with slot PCIEX16_1
> Port #03 Features
> Port #04 Features
> Port #05 Features
> Port #06 Features
> Port #07 Features
> NB-SB Port Features


Port #02 Features
Gen2 High Speed Mode [Auto]
Link ASPM [Disabled]
Link Width [Auto] <===== Set this to x16
Slot Power Limit, W [75]
Compliance Mode [Disabled]

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ko888 wrote :

Do you get a list of ports from Port #02 to Port #07?

PCI Express Configuration
----------------------------------------------------------------
GFX Dual Slot Configuration [Auto]
GPP Slots Power Limit, W [25]

> Port #02 Features <=== This one should correspond with slot PCIEX16_1
> Port #03 Features
> Port #04 Features
> Port #05 Features
> Port #06 Features
> Port #07 Features
> NB-SB Port Features


Port #02 Features
Gen2 High Speed Mode [Auto]
Link ASPM [Disabled]
Link Width [Auto] <===== Set this to x16
Slot Power Limit, W [75]
Compliance Mode [Disabled]



Yea that's what it looks like for me and I have the Link Width set to x16. That's really the reason I'm frustrated that every program tells me it's running @x2.

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coozie7 wrote :

Sorry the reseat did n't work...One can but try.
Something seems a litte odd, HWINFO is showing the current link speed as 5Gb/s, which is correct for PCI-E 2.0 at x16! Perhaps something is preventing the monitoring software from reporting the correct values.


Gb/s is gigabits per second.

16-lane PCI Express 2.0 should have an aggregate throughput of up to 8GB/s. Note gigabytes per second (i.e. 64Gb/s).

Reply to ko888

Well, I guess pretty much everyone has ran out of ideas by now. I have noticed that in the BIOS, I can set it to x1 and it runs as x1. So it's like I only have the option of x1 or x2, I would love to see it at x16 so if anyone has anything else to add, please do.

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Reply to MrJets

Clear CMOS.

Run a driver sweeper to remove all remnants of the graphics card driver and reboot.

Download and install the latest graphics card driver.

If that fails try the graphics card in a different system to determine if there is a problem with the graphics card.

Try a different graphics card.

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Dadiggle wrote :

This is what's bothering me. Sorry for coming back now I see you were assisted nicely. But ko888 can check as well look at what aida showed
GPU Clock 157 MHz<--------- that's a bit low ain't it? Power supply maybe?
Op your gpu-z screenshot show 5800 series yet your gpu is the 5770. I suggest you do a clean sweep of the drivers by using a driver sweeper. Then you can either try and update your chipset drivers or reinstall them in windows. I suggest you put them on a disk just incase then uninstall them then reboot. Reinstalling or updating the chipset drivers



Take a look at the gpu-z screenshot again, it says 5700 series. Also, when the card is idle it sits at 157mhz and gets up to 850mhz when in use.

At this point I'm doubtful that anything I do will fix it but I'm gonna use a driver sweeper before clearing CMOS and re-installing the latest drivers.

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So I tried clearing the ATI drivers/Clearing CMOS/Re-installing the drivers and that didn't work. Unfortunately I don't have another card or computer to test things in that way, which I know would be helpful.

Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't the chipset installer nothing more than the driver for my onboard gfx?

So no one ever really commented on what I said earlier, when I said:

Quote :

So I downloaded 3DMark Vantage and I'm comparing things to this http://www.tomshardware.com/review [...] 446-5.html

GPU Test Results:
Performance - 9033
High - 6261

Those scores are actually a bit higher than what is in the graphs, does this mean that it's running at x16 but software is seeing it as x2?

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Reply to MrJets

MrJets wrote :

So I tried clearing the ATI drivers/Clearing CMOS/Re-installing the drivers and that didn't work. Unfortunately I don't have another card or computer to test things in that way, which I know would be helpful.

Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't the chipset installer nothing more than the driver for my onboard gfx?

So no one ever really commented on what I said earlier, when I said:

Quote :

So I downloaded 3DMark Vantage and I'm comparing things to this http://www.tomshardware.com/review [...] 446-5.html

GPU Test Results:
Performance - 9033
High - 6261

Those scores are actually a bit higher than what is in the graphs, does this mean that it's running at x16 but software is seeing it as x2?



well the card seems to be working quite fine... And correct me if I'm wrong but isn't a x2 linkwidth a bit odd in every way, usually available linkwidths are x1, x4, x8 and x16.

Mobos chipset drivers should have whole bunch of different drivers, for different controllers and buses (including the onboard gfx, I think...).

Reply to Kari

if you hover your mouse pointer over the bus interface field there should be a tooltip showing some extra info.


Message edited by Kari on 04-10-2011 at 04:45:16 PM
Reply to Kari

Dadiggle wrote :

when the chipset driver gets installed it extracts into 20 to a hundred driver files alot of them with sysextension. The chipset are made out of a lot of devices but the igp aint one of them. theres a different driver package for it. Go to device manager and have a look


even when the integrated chip is actually part of the northbridge?
I dont have igp so I can't.

Reply to Kari

ok so x2 is allowed in the standards

Reply to Kari

Dadiggle wrote :

Have you ever ever ever download the chipset driver where the igp gets installed with it.


No cause I haven't ever own a mobo with an igp. But on the 790GX chipset the igp is integrated into the 790GX northbridge so I thought it would be included in the drivers bundle with all the other crap.
thats why I said 'I think'

Reply to Kari

Alright, well I have installed the Chipset software provided from ASUS and it brings up ATI Install Manager. That was why I said what I did about it installing the onboard gfx. Anyways, since running that, there's been no change and at the end of the setup it tells me that warnings had occurred. So I view the log and see no warnings or errors, very strange.

Are there any other chipset drivers options for me?

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Dadiggle wrote :

This is what's bothering me. Sorry for coming back now I see you were assisted nicely. But ko888 can check as well look at what aida showed
GPU Clock 157 MHz<--------- that's a bit low ain't it? Power supply maybe?
Op your gpu-z screenshot show 5800 series yet your gpu is the 5770.
I suggest you do a clean sweep of the drivers by using a driver sweeper.


'
complete garbage comment.This comment shows you have zero idea about gpu.

Quote :

That gpu is a pci-e 2.0 card. Altough the mobo is a 2.1 slot that @ 2 means actually 2.1. the slot is backward compatible so are the devices. All that show is that you 2.0 card is running at x16 but 2.0 revision. which means not less bandwith just older transmitting features its doing. nothing to worry about. Gpu-z just displayed it strange



Another garbage comment by daddigle.That gpu is pci express 2.1 card.But all mobo present in the current market has pci express 2.0 slot.

@OP since you have tried almost every thing.Plz do this following set win7 power profile to high performance.Then downgrade the bios to previous version.Sometimes bug in the new bios can cause it.

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MrJets wrote :

So no one ever really commented on what I said earlier, when I said:

Quote :

So I downloaded 3DMark Vantage and I'm comparing things to this http://www.tomshardware.com/review [...] 446-5.html

GPU Test Results:
Performance - 9033
High - 6261

Those scores are actually a bit higher than what is in the graphs, does this mean that it's running at x16 but software is seeing it as x2?



Were you using the same AMD Catalyst 9.9 driver that the Tom's Hardware review used?

You would expect later driver versions to improve the performance.

At x2 I would thinks you you see a less than 10% drop in performance than if you were running at x16.

Reply to ko888

Quote :

@OP since you have tried almost every thing.Plz do this following set win7 power profile to high performance.Then downgrade the bios to previous version.Sometimes bug in the new bios can cause it.


I downgraded my BIOS as far as I could. None of the different versions I tried had any affect.

So I emailed BIOSTAR, telling them about my issue. I just got a response from them:

Quote :

This video card maximum bandwidth is PCI-E 2.0 16x. Please contact the motherboard manufacturer for help with this case.


I get the feeling that if I contact ASUS about this issue, they'll tell me to contact BIOSTAR. I really want my card to perform as advertised so I'll email ASUS next and see what they tell me.

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Reply to MrJets

MrJets wrote :

Quote :

@OP since you have tried almost every thing.Plz do this following set win7 power profile to high performance.Then downgrade the bios to previous version.Sometimes bug in the new bios can cause it.


I downgraded my BIOS as far as I could. None of the different versions I tried had any affect.

So I emailed BIOSTAR, telling them about my issue. I just got a response from them:

Quote :

This video card maximum bandwidth is PCI-E 2.0 16x. Please contact the motherboard manufacturer for help with this case.


I get the feeling that if I contact ASUS about this issue, they'll tell me to contact BIOSTAR. I really want my card to perform as advertised so I'll email ASUS next and see what they tell me.


It wouldn't be the graphics card that limits the PCIe lanes because it has no idea what you have plugged into the other PCIe slots.

It's the motherboard that decides the PCIe lane availability and usage.

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