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Good NVIDIA 460 card for 1920x1080 res?

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April 13, 2011 5:46:25 AM

Hi.

I'm new to this sort of. Right now I have a Samsung 1680x1050 22 inch monitor and in the future plan on going to either a 24 or 27 inch led. If I decide on going with the NVIDIA 460 card will this be ok for 1920x1080 resolution? Also, what is the important factor in deciding on a card, # of stream processors, core clock, shader clock???

If I plan on $200 or under I would think I would only be able to get maybe, 256 bit bus, 1 gig ram, gddr5, etc, right?


thanks :) 
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April 13, 2011 5:48:51 AM

The GTX460 1G should have no problems palying games at 1080p resoultions.It's actually a really good card for that.Just make sure when you get it that it's the 1G version.Just make sure when picking a card that it has at least 1G of RAM.Anything less than a 1G will give poor performance at higher resloutions such as 1920x1080.
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April 13, 2011 5:53:58 AM

My 460 1GB is overclocked to 821-1642-2000 and does fine with the games I play. Fallout 3/ New Vegas, Dragon Age and Dragon Age 2, Mass Effect ect. 1920 x 1080
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April 13, 2011 8:46:58 AM

purple stank said:
Anything less than a 1G will give poor performance at higher resloutions such as 1920x1080.
This is really overstated quite frequently. The performance difference between the 1gb and 768mb card at 1920x1200 is approximately 8% on average.
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April 13, 2011 3:11:31 PM

460 is great card, and will run most games well, even on 1080p, but make sure you don't get SE or Palit, SE - 'Smart' Edition, it has reduced clock speeds and OCs worse, when choosing a card you mostly look @ the shaders, core clocks are different on many cards, also get the one, which has 1GB *256-bit* GDDR5 for maximum performance
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April 13, 2011 9:59:11 PM

Palit cards fail at a high level and when the GTX 460 came out they got caught sending cards with extra cooling to review sites then not adding that cooling to the retail version of the same card.
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April 14, 2011 12:38:57 AM

If I was you, I would just add extra $ 30-40 and get the GTX 560ti
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April 14, 2011 12:51:40 PM

you can't find GTX560Ti for that cheap, most of them are 260$+ and the only, which imo are worth buying are for 270$ on newegg, and for that money you can get 6950 with it's unlocking potential etc
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April 14, 2011 12:57:04 PM

jyjjy said:
This is really overstated quite frequently. The performance difference between the 1gb and 768mb card at 1920x1200 is approximately 8% on average.


True but if you use AA wouldn't that be a bigger bottleneck? As i red in some reviews at higher resolutions when you enable AA you also need more RAM. Last one was at 2560x1600 when toms did a review and compared 590 with 6990 and the 590 came at a loss because of RAM shortage. Wouldn't that apply to 1920x1080 at this lvl of performance card?
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April 14, 2011 5:20:17 PM

shrkbay said:
you can't find GTX560Ti for that cheap, most of them are 260$+ and the only, which imo are worth buying are for 270$ on newegg, and for that money you can get 6950 with it's unlocking potential etc



you can get it for 230 bucks right now on newegg!
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April 14, 2011 9:12:34 PM

ionut19 said:
True but if you use AA wouldn't that be a bigger bottleneck? As i red in some reviews at higher resolutions when you enable AA you also need more RAM. Last one was at 2560x1600 when toms did a review and compared 590 with 6990 and the 590 came at a loss because of RAM shortage. Wouldn't that apply to 1920x1080 at this lvl of performance card?

The number I used is based on techpowerup's performance charts. At 1920x1200 they test all the games with 4xAA applied.
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April 14, 2011 9:20:20 PM

Get the Gibabyte GTX 460 Superoverclock (SOC) or the MSI GTX 460 Hawk "Talon Attack". High quality components, custom PCB's/circuitry, and excellent heatsinks.
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April 14, 2011 9:51:49 PM

OP has never posted back....
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April 15, 2011 9:25:17 AM

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you can get it for 230 bucks right now on newegg!


there are only 2 cards for that price, both have central fan, veryyy noisy, one is EVGA for 230$ after rebate *normally 260$* and second one is zotac for 213$ after rebate * 243$ normal*, not worth buying
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April 15, 2011 11:43:32 AM

Thanks all. I think I'm gonna spend around $150-160. I'm not a big gamer so I don't need a <$200 card.

Best I can get for around $150-160?? 1 gig ram, 256-bit bus ,etc. I don't care about ATI or NVIDIA, who cares, they're both good I guess.
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April 15, 2011 12:07:59 PM

6850 is best bang for buck in it's price range so probably the way i'd go if i were you
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April 15, 2011 3:30:48 PM

purple stank said:
For $165 you can get a 6850 which is more powerful than the 1G version of the GTX460.

HIS 6850 $165 + $8 Shipping
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
There's also the HD5850 for $150 and free shipping. It is faster than either the HD6850 or GTX 460. It's the best card for the money under $200 at the moment.
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April 15, 2011 3:53:14 PM

Well the OP defnitly has to ugprade his PSU either way.
The 5850 is still a beast of a card but personally i'd go with the 6850 only because i know that i'd crossfire it.Plus the 6850 is a lot better with power than the 5850.
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April 15, 2011 11:00:05 PM

purple stank said:
Well the OP defnitly has to ugprade his PSU either way.
The 5850 is still a beast of a card but personally i'd go with the 6850 only because i know that i'd crossfire it.Plus the 6850 is a lot better with power than the 5850.

The part about power isn't true. The HD5850 only uses a few more watts(5ish) under normal gaming condition and they use basically the same amount of power at idle. Also not sure why you are saying the OP must get a new PSU when they haven't said what they have now.
The crossfire thing is right though. The HD6000 cards do have significantly improved scaling if you are considering a dual card setup in the future.
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April 15, 2011 11:13:53 PM

What is the make/model of your PSU?
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April 16, 2011 12:51:02 AM

purple stank said:
What is the make/model of your PSU?


Here's my PSU - Antec "Earthwatts" 500watt PSU

My comp is:
ASUS P8P67
i5 2500k
8 gigs GSkill RipJaw 10666
Windows 7 64 bit
NVIDIA 9600 GT 512mb
WD 500 gb HDD 7200rpm sata 3
Antec "Illusion" Case
Samsung Syncmaster SA300 24 inch LED monitor
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April 16, 2011 4:17:13 AM

Yeah, your PSU is fine. It should handle any GPU you might buy under $200.
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April 16, 2011 9:16:14 AM

I personally stick with nvidia, but regardless of what you go with, I suggest getting a card with over 1GB. That VRAM will bottleneck your fps on a handful of games out there, and that number will greatly increase as more games are released. A large majority of people are complaining about the GTX590 not having enough VRAM and that has 1.5GB per GPU. My GTX 275 has 1792MB and is a bit more than what I need for this card, but I definitely go a bit over 1GB quite frequently. For the level of card your looking at, I would recommend going for a GTX470 that has 1280MB of VRAM but it's bout $250. Also, would come with a limited lifetime warranty if you got the $260 EVGA GTX470. Just make sure you register w/e card you get within 30days.
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April 16, 2011 9:34:26 AM

Buying a GTX 470 for $250 these days is nuts IMO. The HD5850 is about 10% slower at 1080p but costs $100 less while using much less power/giving off much less heat. If you really want to stick with Nvidia the GTX 560 Ti is newer, cheaper, faster and more power efficient. Even just overclocking the hell out of a GTX 460 with good cooling would be a much better buy as well.
It's definitely a mistake to focus on one aspect of a card like video memory and ignore actual performance especially when it comes at a pretty steep price/power efficiency premium like the GTX 470. Even if you are really into having a ton of memory the HD6950 2gb has much more, costs the same and is about 10% faster. It can also be unlocked into an HD6970 which is 20-25% faster than the GTX 470.
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April 16, 2011 9:38:29 AM

^yup, and that would save you 10$ yearly..
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April 16, 2011 10:24:25 AM

come on guys you're confusing me. :lol:  I'm NOT a big time gamer, but I do do X Plane 9 occasionally and some shooters maybe twice a year. What's a good card under $200??

P.S. the weird thing is is that I'm getting 50-70 fps with X plane 9 right now on my ol' 9600 gt 512 mb ddr2 and I don't have the scenery dialed down much either!
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April 16, 2011 10:30:57 AM

6870 is great for 200$ budget, best bang for buck overall also...
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April 16, 2011 12:48:21 PM

wow that one is s*xy :lol:  i wanna have an army of those :D 
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April 16, 2011 12:55:26 PM

^this reminded me of old, good communist times... :lol: 
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April 16, 2011 12:56:35 PM

LOL, look at the street name :lol: 
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April 16, 2011 10:31:47 PM

Hexus seemed to really like the Gigabyte GTX 460 SOC:

"Final thoughts and rating
Gigabyte's Super Overclock is without a doubt the best 1GB GeForce GTX 460 we've tested.

We were already impressed by NVIDIA's reference design, but when you're in the market for a custom derivative, you're generally looking for something that's quicker, quieter and cooler. Gigabyte's SOC ticks all of those boxes, and costs only £20 more than reference. Out-the-box performance is excellent at the £175 price point, and Gigabyte's custom design manages to keep ultra-cool and ultra-quiet under load."
http://www.hexus.net/content/item.php?item=27185&page=1...

The chart on this page shows the Gigabyte SOC outperforming all the AMD 5800 and 6800 series cards, except the 5870 (check out the aggregate and normalized FPS lines):
http://www.hexus.net/content/item.php?item=27185&page=1...

"A word on noise
The class-leading temperatures are excellent, and they're all the more impressive when you factor in the noise - or lack thereof - that's generated by the WindForce 2's dual fans. The Gigabyte GTX 460 SOC is practically silent when idle and remains barely audible under full load. It's the most impressive combination of performance, low-noise and low temperatures we've seen on a GeForce GTX 460 thus far."
http://www.hexus.net/content/item.php?item=27185&page=9

Pretty much the same assessment from Guru3d:
"Final Words & Conclusion
From the top of my head I can tell you that this was GeForce GTX 460 card number eighteen that we have tested to date. The overall baseline performance of the GeForce GTX 460 is of course commendable, this particular SOC card comes factory overclocked a good chunk higher, making it the fastest GTX 460 we actually tested. At this point we have tested no less than eighteen GeForce GTX 460 class cards, and this card again is something special, it manages to impress us very much."
http://www.guru3d.com/article/gigabyte-geforce-gtx-460-...
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April 16, 2011 11:56:23 PM

No.Prices have gone way up for the GTX460.
Cheapest GTX4601G right now is $185 on Newegg.The Gigabyte SOC version is $205,almost the same price as a 6870.
The 5850 is getting really cheap for the high performance it can still provide which makes it almost a steal.

$150=5850
$185 for reference GTX460
$205= Gigabyte SOC version
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April 17, 2011 12:32:32 AM

I got $187 after rebate on the SOC at Newegg.
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April 17, 2011 2:03:58 AM

Unfortunately, the 5850 has problems when it comes to DirectX 11 tesselation, in fact that was one of the chief compaints about the ATI 5000 series. The GTX 460 on the other hand does an excellent job with tesselation. If you are at all interested in having a card that will handle new DirectX 11 games, you will want one that performs tesselation very well.

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April 17, 2011 2:33:48 AM

I still think the 5850 is more powerful than the GTX460SOC.Yes you can O.C. the 460's like mad but the 5850 still has sheer power and more shaders.
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April 17, 2011 3:10:31 AM

Also overclockersclub got the HD5850 xtreme up to 1ghz on the core which is impressive considering I don't think it has voltage control. That's a crazy 38% increase over reference speeds.
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April 17, 2011 3:32:52 AM

Gibabyte 460 SOC
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April 17, 2011 5:49:57 AM

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Let's remember unigine's extreme tess is just for benchmarking
Actual tess in game is a better prove of performance
Here's benches of the 460 and 6000 including OC'ing
http://images.hardwarecanucks.com/image//skymtl/GPU/HD6800-OC/HD6800-OC-74.jpg
http://images.hardwarecanucks.com/image//skymtl/GPU/HD6800-OC/HD6800-OC-49.jpg
http://images.hardwarecanucks.com/image//skymtl/GPU/HD6800-OC/HD6800-OC-42.jpg

None of those games use tesselation to a great degree. The current game that uses the most tesselation is HAWX 2:



By the way, it seems PureOC came to pretty much the exact same conclusion as Hexus and Guru3d about the Gigabyte SOC:
"This card is the fastest GTX 460 out of the box that we've tested, and we've seen many of them. Perhaps even more impressive is the cooling efficiency of the heatsink, keeping temperatures in check when under full load, despite the huge overclock. And the aesthetics are great as well, as this is certainly one of the better looking GTX 460 models out there. Massive factory overclock, huge performance, cool temperatures, low noise, and great price. That is an outstanding combination of features, end of story. The Gigabyte GTX 460 Super Overclock 1GB is one of the very best overall GTX 460 models on the market."
http://www.pureoverclock.com/review.php?id=1132&page=15
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April 17, 2011 8:21:00 AM

GIGABYTE 460 SOC is a great card, but for this price it's sh*t, you can find 6870, which at stock performs more or less the same and can be OCed very high so even the 470 won't beat it, while SOC has almost none OC room left, also the 6850 can be OCed high and beat that SOC, 5850 is probably best bang for buck right now and it's not worse than 460 SOC, btw HAWX2 prefers nVidia A LOT more than AMD, imo it's unfair to compare cards on games that prefer somebody *HAWX2 - nVidia, F1 2010 - AMD etc*
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April 17, 2011 10:19:05 AM

The games out now push the limit of 1GB and a handful trickled over causing the beginning of the bottlenecking of 1GB cards. More and more upcoming games are going to require more VRAM and you're gonna be left with a bottlenecked card. You can avoid it by not using any AA, but you wont be able to avoid it for much longer and AA on supersampling is sweet. And 1280MB is 25% more VRAM than the 1GB, so yes it will definitely buy you the time you would expect b4 needing to upgrade, especially if you are going to buy a second card to put in SLI, that extra VRAM will def pay off. And if you STILL dont think I am right about this, check out this thread where people are going crazy over 1.5GB per GPU on 590s bottlenecking their setups on 1080p res. http://www.evga.com/forums/tm.aspx?m=953155

Don't forget, I dont give a sh*t whether you go with ATI or NVIDIA, altho I personally prefer nvidia products. I am just providing a friendly warning that VRAM is a real issue in bottlenecked performance of vid cards and I suggest getting any card that's over 1GB. Example: an evga gtx 460 2GB is a bit overkill on the VRAM, but get two of them for SLI then you're dealing with a the proper power for that amount of VRAM for future situations. However those specific 460s do not have a limited lifetime warranty which I HIGHLY recommend, maybe even moreso than the VRAM. So keep these things in mind, and dont forget to register w/e card you get within 30days of the purchase date.
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April 17, 2011 10:24:05 AM

^off topic? Double posting?
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April 17, 2011 10:38:53 AM

Your single minded focus on memory is simply uncalled for IMO. The processing power of a GTX 590 is huge and yes it could certainly use more memory to take full advantage of that processing power. However that issue says nothing about the needs of cards that cost less than 1/3rd of an GTX 590 which is what this thread is about. The OP clearly stated his budget as $200 or less and then later lowered it to $150-160. He simply doesn't need to spend an extra $100 on a card with over 1gb of ram to get good performance at 1080p for now and for a while to come.
I'd also point to lifetime warranties as vastly overrated. A 3 year warranty easily covers the useful lifespan of a video card. 3 years ago the hot card was the 8800GT. If someone bought an 8800GT 3 years ago and it died today it would be a good excuse for a long overdue upgrade not an "I really should have gotten a lifetime warranty" kind of moment.
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April 17, 2011 4:16:50 PM

I think I may go NVIDIA guys. Is there a big diff between the 400 and 500 series? My main "gaming" is going to be flight simulators like X plane 9 (10) and sometimes FSX or fs9. I occasionally do "shooters", but I'm mostly in to flight simming.

Flight sims as you may know take a lot of graphics processing, not so much X Plane, but more so Fsx. I can happily run fs9 and X plane 9 on my current NVIDIA 9600 gt 512mb ddr2, but X plane 9 slows on high settings and FSX WILL NOT RUN on even a supercomputer (glad I like X plane better) so I of course need a better video card.

I believe X plane recommends ATI, although I'm not sure. Anyways, I've mostly used NVIDIA so I think it may be a good choice and I don't think I can go wrong considering my current video card anyways. By the way, is it ATI or NVIDIA that someone said "run hot"?


So I'm trying to decide between these 2 cards (for today). If the 500 series doesn't have much over the 400, I'd rather go with the higher specs of the 400 card:

the 500
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814500194

and the 400
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130597

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April 17, 2011 5:37:16 PM

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both are crap.......................
especially the GTX460 "Stupid Edition"


Go with this one
Gigabyte GTX460 "UnCut" 1GBat USD 185 before rebates, 156after

or
Gigabyte HD 6850 at USD174 before rebates 154 after rebates

or
Asus DirectCu HD6850 at USD154 after rebates as well


and heat issues with not with problem with any of the cards i listed, especially the Asus DirectCU HD6850
Go for the HD6k if u plan to go crossfire in the future since the new gen Radeons have superb multi-GPU scaling.
and the Radeons also consume less power, thus less load on ur PSU.

but then, any card other than the Stupid Edition 460 would be great


I doubt they're "crap" compared to my NVIDIA 9600 gt! Anyways, thanks. Will these cards work for 1920x1080?

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April 17, 2011 6:19:00 PM

if OP has a budget of 150$ probably he should go with it or HD6850, he can find some deals for 150$ AR, probably XFX ionut9 listed is better than GIGABYTE.
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