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June 26, 2011 9:31:16 PM

http://secure.newegg.com/WishList/PublicWishDetail.aspx... (I hope this link works, If not i will try ye ole copynpaste)
That list is about $60 over budget after tax and shipping which is fine.
I'm trying to make this machine as future proof while not wasting resources i will never get to use.

So with future proofing in mind (say 3-5 years from now) is the video card too much?
Will I need the extra 2Mb L3 cache offered on the 2600k vs the 2500k? ($80 difference on newegg now)

Also if I weren't going the 3d option I would just be buying the best Monitor I could for up to the same price. If you dont thik 3d is worth it than what monitor would you suggest?

Note I researched going sli with 3d but the cost would force a downgrade to 570gtx in sli to afford any sort of 3d monitor plus glasses. I feel I would want to upgrade beyond the 570gtx in 3 years possible to keep running everything in max settings.

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June 26, 2011 9:40:49 PM

700 dollars for a freaking screen?
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June 26, 2011 9:43:40 PM

can you offer alternatives please or just trolling?
A non 3d top of the line gaming monitor would probably be cheaper I know.
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June 26, 2011 10:06:36 PM

Since it's a gaming rig I'd probably get 2 6970 instead (or SLI 570), a 2500K and an Asus P8P67 Pro Rev. 3.0 motherboard, the rest is really up to you.

edit. Also I don't think 3D gaming is that great, I've tried it and you get tired of it pretty quick, for each it's own I guess.
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June 27, 2011 12:43:18 AM

Souzou said:
Since it's a gaming rig I'd probably get 2 6970 instead (or SLI 570), a 2500K and an Asus P8P67 Pro Rev. 3.0 motherboard, the rest is really up to you.

edit. Also I don't think 3D gaming is that great, I've tried it and you get tired of it pretty quick, for each it's own I guess.


yea without the 3d option considered i figured ATI might be better than nvidia. so 2 6970 are pretty future proof id say right?

does anyone that makes high end ati card also have a warranty similar to EVGA's lifetime? they cover replacement of the fans/NS i heard too

any suggestions on the best monitor for gaming? i heard IPS panels have respnse times 5ms and above not ideal for gaming, otherwise great picture? is that a concern i should have?
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June 27, 2011 1:54:46 AM

stealthdf2 said:
yea without the 3d option considered i figured ATI might be better than nvidia. so 2 6970 are pretty future proof id say right?

does anyone that makes high end ati card also have a warranty similar to EVGA's lifetime? they cover replacement of the fans/NS i heard too

any suggestions on the best monitor for gaming? i heard IPS panels have respnse times 5ms and above not ideal for gaming, otherwise great picture? is that a concern i should have?

The ultimate gaming monitor atm....LED, 2ms response time, Nvidia 3D, and best of all...a 120mhz refresh rate.


http://www.benq.us/products/product_detail.cfm?product=... <------ See it here

http://www.google.com/products/catalog?hl=en&q=benq+xl2... <----- Buy it here

http://apcmag.com/first-look-the-benq-xl2410t-.htm <--- Review of it here.

Also with that screen resolution (1920 x 1080) ..dual Nvidia gtx 560's will rip any game out there atm. Any decent 750w psu will push those cards and leave you plenty of juice left over.
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June 27, 2011 2:23:19 AM

I had looked at that monitor oretty well and thought it was the ultimate also till i saw a few reveiws where they slammed it with 3/5 stars claiming it had horrible tint to the screen
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June 27, 2011 2:27:50 AM

stealthdf2 said:
I had looked at that monitor oretty well and thought it was the ultimate also till i saw a few reveiws where they slammed it with 3/5 stars claiming it had horrible tint to the screen

Most of those crappy reviews are done by non gamers who think any monitor that's not an IPS monitor is junk. Those are the same peeps that are always shoving a 27" $600+ Samsung Rosewood monitor with a IPS panel and 15ms response time....meh. Those peeps aren't gamers.

There's been a few peeps on this board that have purchased that monitor and then came back here and posted afterwards nothing but good things about it.
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June 27, 2011 2:47:50 AM

ok well it would be saving money over the 27inch acer. the acer wasnt around at the time of those reviews was it? if i knew the 2d gaming looked as good as the benq is supposed to then i could go for it since the screen is bigger.

if i get the benq then i will use a single 580 GTX (nvidia better option for 3d) till price drop when bf3 comes out and then go SLI.

If i got the 3Gb 580 GTX would i ever use all that power even 3-5 years from now?
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June 27, 2011 3:12:31 AM

stealthdf2 said:
o and it was this review that gave a really bad impression if the benq http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/monitors/2011/02/09/be...

That review is exactly what I'm talking about. Read the last paragraph on page 2 of that review ...where he links to/recommends the viewsonic monitor.

This guy is bashing the BenQ and then recommending a Viewsonic IPS with a refresh rate of 60hz and a 14ms response time with a IPS panel.

This guy doesn't game, he doesn't have a clue about gaming yet he's doing a review on a gaming monitor. This guy probably owns an Apple, and wears a dress.

He goes on to say that the BenQ is good for gamers...but..... The guy is an idiot and has no right to be reviewing any gaming monitor.

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June 27, 2011 3:57:45 AM

yep i see that now too esp after checking the comments and what most people thought.

still wish there was a BenQ XL2410T vs Acer HN274Hbmiiid Black 27" comparison somewhere

any ideas about
If i got the 3Gb 580 GTX would i ever use all that power even 3-5 years from now?
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June 27, 2011 4:14:23 AM

stealthdf2 said:
yep i see that now too esp after checking the comments and what most people thought.

still wish there was a BenQ XL2410T vs Acer HN274Hbmiiid Black 27" comparison somewhere

any ideas about
If i got the 3Gb 580 GTX would i ever use all that power even 3-5 years from now?

Yikes! Iv'e never seen that monitor until you just posted it. It's a beauty. I'm going to read the reviews on this later...but man that's a nice looking monitor, and it comes with everything but the kitchen sink.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... <----that's it on newegg.

On the gtx 580's.... I doubt it. For a single monitor set up, I'm all about dual 560 ti's in SLI and then three to four years from now, ebay them, givem away ...whatever and replace them with whatever's the new and hot item then. I mean if you look three to four years back...vid cards have taken a major leap forward.

Dual 560's and throw in something like an XFX 750w modular and your good to go for min. three years down the road before they start to show their age....especially at that resolution. But dual 580's...then I wouldn't go over $500 a card....tops. MSI has a good one out with great cooling coming in at that price.

If you plan on doing a high o/c with dual 580's look at a 900w+ psu so you have juice left over for other goodies...drives, fans, etc.. also I would look at the 922 HAF for more room for your cpu cooler. A decent size cpu cooler cuts out the top fan in that CM Scout. The CM Storm Enforcer is another good case to look at...cheap atm @ amazon.

For those dual 580's...

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... $169.99 - $129.99 after mail-in rebate card FREE SHIPPING
ENERMAX REVOLUTION85+ ERV920EWT 920W ATX12V / EPS12V SLI Ready CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS SILVER Certified Modular Active PFC Power Supply

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... $159.99 - $139.99 after mail-in rebate card FREE SHIPPING
PC Power and Cooling Silencer 910W High Performance 80PLUS Silver SLI CrossFire ready Power Supply

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... $149.99
Antec High Current Gamer Series HCG-900 900W ATX12V v2.3 / EPS12V v2.91 SLI Certified CrossFire Certified 80 PLUS BRONZE Certified Active PFC Power Supply

and RAM...

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... $79.99 FREE SHIPPING
G.SKILL Sniper Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1866 (PC3 14900) Desktop Memory Model F3-14900CL9D-8GBSR
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June 27, 2011 4:51:48 AM

Yea it does look like a nice monitor and its currently in my cart now with an 850w psu i thought might be good for sli later on. I say later on cause i cannot afford any monitor plus any of the 580 gtx i would want in sli right now. which is why i leaned towards the 3gb 580, figured it would be good enough for what i play now and the price will drop this winter and i can get another. I can afford it and the price difference vs the 1.5GB model is $90 and sure to fall.
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June 27, 2011 5:00:38 AM

Dual 6970s would really be a better idea. Better value for performance, I think, and together they'll easily outperform a 580. IMO the 580 is too expensive to consider compared to more cost-efficient alternatives like 2x6970. (Who would ever have thought of calling 6970s cost-efficient...lol) No game that you can possibly get will max Xfired 6970s, so why dump money into 2x580?
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June 27, 2011 5:45:53 AM

kajabla said:
Dual 6970s would really be a better idea. Better value for performance, I think, and together they'll easily outperform a 580. IMO the 580 is too expensive to consider compared to more cost-efficient alternatives like 2x6970. (Who would ever have thought of calling 6970s cost-efficient...lol) No game that you can possibly get will max Xfired 6970s, so why dump money into 2x580?


Thats what i said earlier... If i dont want to do 3d option then i would go ahead with dual 6970s but i need suggestions on what monitor would be the absolute best monitor for gaming? if it is a led or 120hz or one of the models that does both then problems solved ive already narrowed it down to 2 choices lol.
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June 27, 2011 6:09:45 PM

well this is really what im interested in http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/299?vs=308

cause no matter what single card i get now, i will be eventually getting another. and i would like to have some future proofing in there as i think bf3 is going to really require a lot. i could see 2 6950s running out of steam with newer games after 2 years or so.

also 6970 cf vs 380 sli http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/298?vs=308

i only see one-2 games the 6970 outperforms. this is most likely the 1.5gb 580 also. i an go the single card 3gb route and still have tons of room left in budget for bells whiostles and even a monitor. then get another 580 3gb in the fall when prices are lower.

oh and that would be done with the ASUS WS Revolution board which has x16/x16 PCIe. future proofing :) 
i looked at other x16/x16 boards and it looked like the difference in price was only due to the addition of 6 usb 3.0 ports on other cards vs 2 in the asus revolution.
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June 28, 2011 9:07:25 AM

similar to my build I'm buying just before BF3 the 580 on its own at that resolution will be fine.

I'm not sure on the benefit from going to the 3gb version there's a review below, there seems to be a bigger difference between the standard and overclocked models than the 3gb and it also didn't seem to make as much difference in most games for the price difference, but this may not be the case with BF3. I'll be getting a 580 and sli later when the system needs more grunt, thing is there's not much point going sli if you've only got one screen at 1920 x 1080

http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/forum/hardware-canucks-r...

There's also no need to get the i2600k CPU unless you use multiple applications at once, do video editing etc.. otherwise just get a i2500k it has almost exactly the same specs in gaming and even beats the 2600k occasionally, this will also save you around $100.00.

I'm also looking at 120hz monitors after reading many reviews I rated them as follow below :

#1 Alienware OptX AW2310 just better built from everything I read

#2 BenQ XL2410 next best though quality control is a little lax with some people getting duds (however they were returned and got good ones)

#3 Asus VG236H very mixed reviews still pricey and not as good as the others

#4 LG W2363D seemed flimsy

The main advantage for these screens is for use with 3D however I don't really care about 3D. The reason I'm looking into these screens is for 120hz refresh rate in 2D reducing screen tearing and ghosting. So this is another thing to think about unfortunately, even if you don't want 3D.
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June 28, 2011 9:31:27 AM

Checkout the Acer HN274H it is 27 inch LED and 120hz 3d.

I have also done a lot of reading on these monitors and i wish there was more info on the Acer HN274H compared to other monitors. the reviews i have seen were pretty good. the only complaint i have seen on any 120hz monitors was off colors but was fixed with some configuring on most.

i think the benq is the better option tho
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June 28, 2011 10:10:39 AM

yeah I have the spyder 3 PRO to configure my monitor so no probs there I left a link below its pretty easy to use and you can download driver for it to work on TVs as well!

http://spyder.datacolor.com/product-mc-s3express.php

Yeah haven't seen many reviews comparing models and none with the acer, the benq is good, but I feel the alienware is just better built with better quality control. But to be honest I'm sure both will be a lot better than what you have now 120hz vz 60hz

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June 28, 2011 10:33:57 AM

Alienware is just dell i dont think quality control is as good as people think. 3 ms response time and lower contrast ratio on the alienware turn me off.
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June 28, 2011 10:54:45 AM

each to their own (i'm not a big dell fan either), there's some good reviews on youtube though. . . just had a better stand and build quality according to the reviews and you won't notice the 1ms. But I prefer the look of the benq

That said they're both good monitors but I'm waiting till october to buy as hopefully prices will drop and a few more 120hz monitors will be out.

alienware vs Asus

http://www.tomsguide.com/us/3D-Monitor-Acer-Alienware,r...
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June 28, 2011 5:01:27 PM

Check out this thread i made at newegg a few days ago on monitors. http://www.eggxpert.com/forums/thread/727164.aspx
there are some really good reviews linked in there . weird thing is no one brought up the alienware but i did see a video review someone made on youtube and he had both side by side the alien and the benq.

He had just unboxed the benq and didnt like the way it looked out of the box so his review was bad based on color for the alienware being better out of box. Then i read the comments and after he spent playing time with the benq and got it configured he posted a bout 20 comments telling people to get the benq if they are big first person shooter gamers, he said it is the pergect monitor for gaming and shooters.
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June 28, 2011 11:23:53 PM

OK i finalized and ordered by build today. I had ordered the GFX card yesterday as the hard to find MSI lighting XE was near impossible to find in stock anywhere, till midday when it popped up on newegg and i tried to add 2 to my cart just to see what the price would be. It only allowed me to add Qty 1 so i contacted a rep and they confirmed only one in stock, so i snatched it up. Today the page for the card reads "Deactivated" I'm guessing its just a hard item to stock. I don't see MSI pulling this card when it was just introduced at the end of May this year.

I know everyone will not agree with my choices, but I am planning ahead to never upgrade unless I need SLI in 2 years or so. I doubt BF3 is going to push this card hard enough to warrant a second card right away.

Build minus video card: http://secure.newegg.com/WishList/PublicWishDetail.aspx...

Video card: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Target Budget: $3k

Total cost after Tax and Shipping: $2461.63

I was about to buy the Razer mamba mouse but on their site they have a new model with color changing LED with like a zillion colors and 1000+ more DPI than the current Mamba version. $10 extra of course.
But if anyone interested one of the largest so called "geek" retailers of all places has the current Blue LED mamba on sale for $99
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June 28, 2011 11:41:26 PM

stealthdf2 said:
OK i finalized and ordered by build today. I had ordered the GFX card yesterday as the hard to find MSI lighting XE was near impossible to find in stock anywhere, till midday when it popped up on newegg and i tried to add 2 to my cart just to see what the price would be. It only allowed me to add Qty 1 so i contacted a rep and they confirmed only one in stock, so i snatched it up. Today the page for the card reads "Deactivated" I'm guessing its just a hard item to stock. I don't see MSI pulling this card when it was just introduced at the end of May this year.

I know everyone will not agree with my choices, but I am planning ahead to never upgrade unless I need SLI in 2 years or so. I doubt BF3 is going to push this card hard enough to warrant a second card right away.

Build minus video card: http://secure.newegg.com/WishList/PublicWishDetail.aspx...

Video card: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Target Budget: $3k

Total cost after Tax and Shipping: $2461.63

I was about to buy the Razer mamba mouse but on their site they have a new model with color changing LED with like a zillion colors and 1000+ more DPI than the current Mamba version. $10 extra of course.
But if anyone interested one of the largest so called "geek" retailers of all places has the current Blue LED mamba on sale for $99

Other than that Kingwin psu, that build looks solid.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite... <--- bundle/combo your mob and cpu to save $20

http://www.superbiiz.com/query.php?dp=1&dt=2&categry=63... <---- You can find that gpu here.
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June 28, 2011 11:50:11 PM

Damn i have been on newegg all week and i didnt see that CPU bundle! grrr they had to of just added it today.

The cards at superbizz are 1.5Gb models
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