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June 14, 2012 3:26:35 AM

Is Team Vulcan a good memory brand? Who is behind them?

EDIT:

I bought a Team Vulcan memory kit and it worked with flying colors--passed 26 hours of memtest with the default settings on Asrock Z77 Extreme4.

Don't waste your time reading the nonsense below.

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June 15, 2012 6:49:01 PM

Any idea?
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June 15, 2012 6:57:31 PM

Small company, never tried them to form an opinion. I have a tendency to recommend 'trusted brands' - Corsair, G.SKILL, Mushkin, Kingston, Crucial, etc...
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June 15, 2012 7:11:03 PM

I have read some reviews of Team RAM. I wouldn't suggest anyone that myself, but it should probably do OK. May take some configuration to get the RAM working.
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June 15, 2012 7:41:03 PM

Raiddinn said:
May take some configuration to get the RAM working.


Does not sound like fun. What would you have to figure? I've never had to configure anything for RAM to work.
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a b } Memory
June 15, 2012 7:44:53 PM

Jacquith is the master of that stuff, ask him.

I generally try to steer people away from RAM brands and models that might need to be configured before they work before they go for the purchase so I know what you mean on that angle.
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June 15, 2012 7:59:56 PM

Jacquith, what would need configuring on an Asrock Z77 Extreme4 to potentially get stubborn RAM working?
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June 15, 2012 11:58:13 PM

RE: TXD316G1600HC9QC-V DDR3-1600 CAS 9-9-9-24-_N @ 1.50v
ref - http://www.teamgroup.com.tw/filterable_product/tabs_det...

ASRock Z77 Extreme4
ref - http://www.asrock.com/mb/Intel/Z77%20Extreme4/?cat=Spec...
manual - ftp://174.142.97.10/manual/Z77%20Extreme4.pdf

You have a couple options, use the XMP (tweaked if needed) or manually set RAM in the BIOS.

BIOS settings & options:

XMP Method (easy/preferred):
BIOS:
F9 - Load Defaults
DRAM Timing Configuration/
Load XMP Setting -> Profile 1

/tweaks (if needed)
DRAM Voltage -> 1.55v (+0.05v)
VCCSA Voltage -> 1.15v~1.20v (+0.15v~+0.20v) ; XMP most of the time will set 1.10v~1.20v

Save Changes and Exit -> Yes

Manually set the memory (optional/works fine):
BIOS:
F9 - Load Defaults
DRAM Timing Configuration/
DRAM Frequency -> DDR3-1600
DRAM tCL -> 9
DRAM tRCD -> 9
DRAM tRP -> 9
DRAM tRAS -> 24
Command Rate (CR) -> 2 (2=2N=2T all the same) ; most DDR3-1600 kits are CR=2
DRAM Voltage -> 1.50v~1.55v (+0.05v) ; if needed
VCCSA Voltage -> 1.10v~1.20v ; most 4GB/stick DDR3-1600 kits need 1.10v and 1.20v is safe
Save Changes and Exit -> Yes
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June 16, 2012 12:00:57 AM

Cool. Hopefully the memory will come with some instructions?
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a c 347 } Memory
June 16, 2012 12:07:29 AM

It would be nice -- too many BIOS/Chipset/MOBO's/CPU's/etc...

Let me know how she runs and Good Luck! :) 
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June 19, 2012 5:42:11 AM

the Team Vulcan RAM worked just fine
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June 19, 2012 2:39:14 PM

jaquith said:
Run Memtest for at least 4-passes if not overnight - http://www.memtest.org/


Thanks Jaquith. Are there any diagnostics that should be run on the mobo/CPU/SSD?
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a b } Memory
June 19, 2012 2:40:20 PM

AIDA64 can do whatever tests you want, but unless you have some kind of problem it is probably unnecessary.
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June 19, 2012 2:45:52 PM

I also recommend AIDA64 Extreme - http://www.aida64.com/downloads

I'm trying to work with FinalWire to develop both bootable options and Stress presets (Gaming, etc) profiles.
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June 19, 2012 6:02:45 PM

jaquith said:
Run Memtest for at least 4-passes if not overnight - http://www.memtest.org/


I also found Memtest86.com

I am confused. Which is the real memtest?
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June 19, 2012 6:26:29 PM

Yes'ish, but the link I posted has the latest version 4.20 - Chris's last version was in 2011 and now Samuel D... has been updating it.

"Based on the well-known original memtest86 written by Chris Brady, memtest86+ is a port by some members of the x86-secret team, now working at www.canardpc.com."
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June 19, 2012 7:39:41 PM

Ok, I will try it. I plan to put in on USB and boot from that. Is it ok to leave interna drives plugged in during the test? Anything to be aware of? I read that you can do a special extra test where the program writes to memory and reads again 90 minutes later.

Is there any danger of computer overheating during these tests?
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a c 347 } Memory
June 19, 2012 9:19:49 PM

First, Memtest only tests the memory and I think you're confusing it with Prime95 which stresses the CPU and in some tests the RAM. Overheating isn't an issue unless you have some CrAzY overvolting on the RAM.

Instead Memtest is an 'integrity test' and it's best to test at least 4-passes or overnight. It looks for errors and I typically run it 'before' I install the OS to avoid corruption and OS installation failure.
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June 19, 2012 9:47:44 PM

jaquith said:
I typically run it 'before' I install the OS to avoid corruption and OS installation failure.


I've already installed the OS. Is it ok to run memtest with the SSD attached or should I disconnect it?

I've put all of the fans on low; that's why I worried about temperature rising.
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June 19, 2012 10:59:05 PM

No, you don't need to detach any drives. Press F8 at boot to select the location of Memtest and let her run...

The fans shouldn't be an issue.
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June 20, 2012 11:02:45 AM

It's been running 7 and a half hours. It seems to be nearing the end of pass 4.

No errors yet, but the cache and memory speeds seem slow. Here are the readings:

L1 Cache: 113338 MB/s
L2 Cache: 51517 MB/s
L3 Cache: 38638 MB/s
Memory: 18479 MB/s
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June 20, 2012 11:12:54 AM

The L1-L3 is your CPU Cache and the Memory is extremely fast so you have nothing to worry about. Keep in mind your CPU will govern the 'Memory' speed, and I assume you've set the memory as I've indicated above. I further assume the your CPU is not overclocked and is running @ stock.
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June 20, 2012 11:56:31 AM

jaquith said:
The L1-L3 is your CPU Cache and the Memory is extremely fast so you have nothing to worry about. Keep in mind your CPU will govern the 'Memory' speed, and I assume you've set the memory as I've indicated above. I further assume the your CPU is not overclocked and is running @ stock.


I have not changed any settings, so the CPU us running at stock, and the memory is running at whatever default settings there are in the mobo.
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June 20, 2012 5:35:41 PM

Then per above "BIOS settings & options:" might not pass but are the Rated setting for the RAM. Once the environment changes -- so does the Validation...renders it useless.
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June 21, 2012 1:22:45 AM

jaquith said:
Then per above "BIOS settings & options:" might not pass but are the Rated setting for the RAM. Once the environment changes -- so does the Validation...renders it useless.


The option to "load XMP setting" is totally missing from my BIOS.

I don't understand XMP well enough to have an idea: is this a problem with the BIOS/mobo or the RAM sticks?
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a c 347 } Memory
June 21, 2012 10:43:33 AM

Page 55-56 of your manual
from above:
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ASRock Z77 Extreme4
ref - http://www.asrock.com/mb/Intel/Z77%20Extreme4/?cat=Spec...
manual - ftp://174.142.97.10/manual/Z77%20Extreme4.pdf

You have a couple options, use the XMP (tweaked if needed) or manually set RAM in the BIOS.

BIOS settings & options:

XMP Method (easy/preferred):
BIOS:
F9 - Load Defaults
DRAM Timing Configuration/
Load XMP Setting -> Profile 1

/tweaks (if needed)
DRAM Voltage -> 1.55v (+0.05v)
VCCSA Voltage -> 1.15v~1.20v (+0.15v~+0.20v) ; XMP most of the time will set 1.10v~1.20v

Save Changes and Exit -> Yes
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June 21, 2012 12:16:23 PM

jaquith said:
Page 55-56 of your manual
from above:
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ASRock Z77 Extreme4
ref - http://www.asrock.com/mb/Intel/Z77%20Extreme4/?cat=Spec...
manual - ftp://174.142.97.10/manual/Z77%20Extreme4.pdf

You have a couple options, use the XMP (tweaked if needed) or manually set RAM in the BIOS.

BIOS settings & options:

XMP Method (easy/preferred):
BIOS:
F9 - Load Defaults
DRAM Timing Configuration/
Load XMP Setting -> Profile 1

/tweaks (if needed)
DRAM Voltage -> 1.55v (+0.05v)
VCCSA Voltage -> 1.15v~1.20v (+0.15v~+0.20v) ; XMP most of the time will set 1.10v~1.20v

Save Changes and Exit -> Yes


I have looked carefully and read the Asrock manual. There is supposed to be an option called "load XMP setting" in the OC page, but the option does not exist!
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June 21, 2012 12:21:19 PM

That's odd, the kit's specifies it's XMP.

Then....Manually set the RAM...I posted 'both' options:

Manually set the memory (optional/works fine):
BIOS:
F9 - Load Defaults
DRAM Timing Configuration/
DRAM Frequency -> DDR3-1600
DRAM tCL -> 9
DRAM tRCD -> 9
DRAM tRP -> 9
DRAM tRAS -> 24
Command Rate (CR) -> 2 (2=2N=2T all the same) ; most DDR3-1600 kits are CR=2
DRAM Voltage -> 1.50v~1.55v (+0.05v) ; if needed
VCCSA Voltage -> 1.10v~1.20v ; most 4GB/stick DDR3-1600 kits need 1.10v and 1.20v is safe
Save Changes and Exit -> Yes
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June 21, 2012 12:45:11 PM

Much appreciated!

Out of curiosity, where did you find these numbers?

Should I RMA the RAM?

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June 21, 2012 1:02:20 PM

Look @ my second post -> http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/314258-30-team-vulcan...

Info (click the Specification tab) - http://www.teamgroup.com.tw/filterable_product/tabs_det...

99%+ DDR3-1600 use a Command Rate of 2. To see ALL of the encoded 'SPD' information download and install CPU-z and look at the 'SPD' tab (see below).

Specification Content
Module Type 240Pin Unbuffered DIMM Non ECC
CL-tRCD-tRP-tRAS 9-9-9-24
DRAM Density 256x8 / 512x8
Data transfer bandwidth 12,800MB/Sec (PC3 12800)
Heat Sink Aluminum heat-sink
Working voltage 1.5V
Warranty Lifetime warranty
Note Intel XMP1.3, compatible with series Intel 7 chipsets and higher.

CPU-z 'SPD' tab example:
Memory (tab) is how the RAM is running now; DDR = Double Data Rate so 800MHz * 2 = DDR3-1600
SPD (tab) note the XMP encoded information
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June 21, 2012 4:33:35 PM

ok.

I have changed the settings and I'm running memtest86+ now.

Btw, here are the old settings that were chosen by the mobo:

DRAM Frequency -> DDR3-1600
DRAM tCL -> 9
DRAM tRCD -> 9
DRAM tRP -> 9
DRAM tRAS -> 28
Command Rate (CR) -> 2
DRAM Voltage -> 1.585
VCCSA Voltage -> .925v
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June 21, 2012 4:58:23 PM

tRAS - higher = slower performance and DRAM Voltage - higher = shorter lifespan of RAM. Also, using 'Auto' often ends up with a 'Press F1 - Overclock error'. If the VCCSA Voltage of <1.0v is error free then kudos for you.

Did your Kit show XMP-1600 under the 'SPD' tab?
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June 22, 2012 4:51:15 AM

jaquith said:
Did your Kit show XMP-1600 under the 'SPD' tab?


No, it says JEDEC #3, #4, #5 and #6.

Under JEDEC #5, the Frequency is 800 Mhz and the timings are as follows:

9-9-9-28

It was advertised as 9-9-9-24, so tRAS is slower than it should be.

There is another number: tRC: 37

The voltage is 1.50V
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a c 347 } Memory
June 22, 2012 11:45:00 AM

Now that's totally weird, so much for 'Being as Advertised'!!!

If the tRAS is listed as 28 (slower) then change it from the 24 (faster) setting. Those numbers are in ns (nanoseconds billionth's of a second).

Numbers:
Frequency - Larger is faster
CAS Timings - Smaller is faster

/edit - Is Team Vulcan good? Starting to wonder that Q&A -- I don't like that their website shows the kit as XMP 1.3 when it's apparently NOT an XMP kit.
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June 22, 2012 12:41:36 PM

I am considering RMA'ing this and getting 4x8 GB sticks instead. Saw some Geil EVO Corsa on sale.
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a c 347 } Memory
June 22, 2012 2:26:55 PM

I've never used GEIL memory so I cannot give you any advice there...look at my first post here.
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a b } Memory
June 22, 2012 9:30:59 PM

I would stick with Crucial and Kingston, and by would I mean I do. I have always found them to work exactly like they say they will.

Imagine all the time you could have saved by not having to mess with all these frequencies and things.

BTW, you probably don't need 32 GBs of RAM, or even 16 GBs for that matter. Very few people need that much or benefit from that much.
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June 23, 2012 3:41:54 AM

Raiddinn said:


Imagine all the time you could have saved by not having to mess with all these frequencies and things.



I'm not sure I had to mess with anything. Somebody named Raiddinn said he read some reviews that said that you might have to change settings so I did --oh that's you :) 

At the end of the day, I am using the default settings which I ran through memtest for 18.5 hours without errors. Thanks to Jaquith for walking me through it. What I've learned will be helpful if/when I OC the 2600k.

16GB is the minimum for Premiere Pro. 32GB would have been nice, but resources are limited. $68 for 16GB of RAM that works isn't too bad!
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a b } Memory
June 23, 2012 8:03:23 PM

What I meant was on 6/15 Jacquith recommended other brands, which you didn't get, and since then you have pretty much been toying around with things trying to get it to work right.

If you got something from one of those brands he suggested, it might have worked right upon insertion and not wasted 8 of your days.
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June 23, 2012 8:19:40 PM

Raiddinn said:
What I meant was on 6/15 Jacquith recommended other brands, which you didn't get, and since then you have pretty much been toying around with things trying to get it to work right.

If you got something from one of those brands he suggested, it might have worked right upon insertion and not wasted 8 of your days.


It actually worked perfectly from day one. I am not sure why Jacquith recommended changing the settings. But I did learn how to change settings in case I have to in the future, so I am not complaining.
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July 3, 2012 12:57:57 PM

jaquith said:
Run Memtest for at least 4-passes if not overnight - http://www.memtest.org/


[Problem] Team Vulcan Xtreem 32Gb (4x8GB) DDR3-1866

Specs:
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Team 32Gb 4x8GB DDR3-1866 10-11-10-30, 1.5V TXD332G1866HC10SQC-V:
http://www.teamgroup.com.tw/filterable_product/tabs_det...

MB: ASUS P8Z77-V DELUXE, CPU: Intel Core i7-3770K 3.5GHz, Power-Supply: Antec TruePower Quattro 1200W (TPQ-1200 EC), CPU-Cooler: ZALMAN CNPS12X.

Problem:
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Errors with Memtest86+ v5.1 beta

BIOS Settings (1206):
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TPU: off (untouchable)

1. All by defaults, Memory frequency: 1866 (was set manually).
Result: Every time 1 ERROR in the 1-st Pass.

2. All by defaults, Memory frequency: 1866 (was set manually), Ai Overclock Tuner: X.M.P., Internal PLL Overvoltage: Off, ASUS Multicore Enhancement: Off
Result: 1, 2 Passes - succesfully, but 3, 4 Passes - Errors. After 12h of testing (Pass 7) - lot of Errors and PC stop responding.

Question: Is the memory broken? RAM was returned to the shop and now I waiting response from service center. Unfortunatelly, it's a very long procedure in our area...

P.S. I know about the same problem like mine, on the same MB and CPU, but with Team DDR3-2400. The solution was to change i7-3770K to another one... :ouch:  And problem has gone.

CPU, MB, RAM, SDD purchased in the one shop
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Any suggestions?

(Sorry for my English)


Team Vulcan - RAM Errors.rar
http://rghost.ru/38993730
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a c 347 } Memory
July 3, 2012 1:17:00 PM

@ingviowarr - please start a new Thread and you can post a reference link here.

All you 'should' need to set is AI Overclock Tuner -> XMP and Profile 1 and if needed VCCSA -> Manual and VCCSA -> 1.20v. According to specs on the link those are 1.65v kits, so if the DRAM Voltage -> 1.50v then Memtest will indeed fail.

The latest Memtest is v4.20 - http://www.memtest.org/#downiso

However, I would need to (see) the CPU-z 'SPD' tab as shown below.


CPU-z - http://www.cpuid.com/softwares/cpu-z.html
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July 3, 2012 1:41:14 PM

@Jaquith, Thank you.

Well, I'll do everything you said when I get memory back (or money). Then I could power on this new PC and play with voltage. But now I waiting for response from service... Besides, it's a very sad situation, if defaults memory settings automatically sets to wrong unstable values... So, my new Thread delayed for now.
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July 3, 2012 2:59:37 PM

But... 1.5V was specified on the memory-sticker, 1866, 10-11-10-30 ...
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July 3, 2012 3:07:19 PM

Rather than guessing - post the CPU-z 'SPD' tab image or tell me the right most values. All I can do is read what's in the specs and ask YOU for the information per CPU-z...

Various kits - http://www.teamgroup.com.tw/filterable_product/tabs_det...
CL-tRCD-tRP-tRAS:
9-11-9-27
11-11-11-28
10-11-10-30
DRAM Density:
256x8 / 512x8
Data transfer bandwidth:
14,928 MB/Sec (PC3 14900)
Heat Sink Aluminum heat-sink
Working voltage:
1.5V
1.65V
Warranty Lifetime warranty
Note Intel XMP1.3, compatible with series Intel 7 chipsets and higher.
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January 10, 2013 9:35:05 PM

ratsa said:
Is Team Vulcan a good memory brand? Who is behind them?

EDIT:

I bought a Team Vulcan memory kit and it worked with flying colors--passed 26 hours of memtest with the default settings on Asrock Z77 Extreme4.

Don't waste your time reading the nonsense below.


Team Vulcan is awesome :D  ive got 100GB of it

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