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April 14, 2011 10:31:19 AM

have a new sys on the way ....2500k with 8gb ddr3 1600....
now the graphics --- currently have a oc gtx 275--- core=713, shad=1426, mem=1260
when i go to:
http://www.hwcompare.com/9055/geforce-gtx-275-vs-geforc...
i see a nice bump in performance - even nicer when i plug in a 580 and do a compare --
( although these comparisons use stock settings and i have oc version wich would increase the 275 performance in the comparison charts)
...my monitor will only do 1680x1050 -- do you loose enough at this resolution to make an upgrade
less appealing? I know my 275 is stuck at dx10 and the 500's have dx11 - but because of my resolution is the 275 enough?

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April 14, 2011 10:37:24 AM

just read forum rules so here's more info:

will use for gaming system & business - 640w corsair ps - dont want sli headache - will be overclocking
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April 14, 2011 12:21:33 PM

If you're not in a rush, I suggest you try out the new system with the 275 first. You can always try and OC the 275 if you're not satisfied. Only when you feel that you really need more performance should you upgrade. Since this is a new system, I assume you bought a good PSU that will handle whatever single-GPU card you throw at it. And yeah, because of your resolution, you might need less GPU power than you think you do.
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April 14, 2011 12:35:05 PM

The GTX570 is a better "value" than the GTX580. It's about a $150 difference for a bit of performance. The Asus GTX570 DirectCU II is a really nice card, although it has a 3 slot size. You can overclock the poo out of that thing if you wanted. If you have the extra $150 to throw at a card the GTX580 is top dog in the single GPU realm.

My buddy upgraded from a GTX285 to GTX580 and was very happy. The main thing is the ability to crank up AA and other visual goodies. He mainly plays Bad Company 2 at 1920x1200. The GTX275 is still a very good card if you don't mind playing at reduced settings on some modern games. Your resolution doesn't really validate going to a GTX580.
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April 14, 2011 1:27:16 PM

500 series are also known for being very quiet, overall 275 is very powerful and even the 560 wouldn't be a big upgrade, Dx11 is a lot nicer than Dx10, but imo it's not worth to upgrade right now, the 600 series are coming out soon and this card can still max out many games or play them smooth on mediums, if you really want to upgrade and have a nVidia card then best choice is 570 imo, it's a lot cheaper than 580, and performance difference isn't that big, or if you'll OC like crazy you can get a 560Ti and OC it to 1Ghz core, but it's low chance to success as many people don't even reach 950 and are stuck on 900 core
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April 14, 2011 1:36:29 PM

thanks to all of you -- you all seem to be saying same thing....
at my resolution seems that the 275 will be fine for now --- but still wondering...even at 1680x1050 would color depth image quality be better, lets say with a 570? i know frame rates would go up but what about image quality? would that be better ?
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April 14, 2011 2:03:34 PM

You wouldn't see a difference. Actually, you shouldn't see a difference. Unless there's some new fancy image filtering technique that is only available on newer cards, the image quality should be identical given the same settings.
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April 14, 2011 2:05:40 PM

Image quality would improve if the game supports DX11 and you were running a DX11 card. Otherwise, you would be running at DX10 or DX9, whichever the game supports. Other than that, image quality would be based on the setting you are running in game. A GTX275 will most likely run most games on high settings, you would just have to back off the AA and AF settings. As long as you can get 60+FPS out of the GTX275 at reasonable settings that you are happy with, I'd keep the card for a while and get the most out of it. If you are not happy with the current performance, upgrade to something that will get you where you should be for a while. A GTX570 would be a logical upgrade from a 275. You can always sell the 275 on eBay for whatever they are going for. Someone is always looking for a good cheap card.
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April 14, 2011 2:30:00 PM

The 570 is a good value, imo. I love the gtx 580, but it's not the best performance you can get for the price (although it is the best single card solution you can get). You could also consider the amd 6950, which is about $100 cheaper than the 570 but only slightly worse. You could get two of them and xfire them for less than a single gtx 580. Single card will be less of a hastle though, so it's really up to you.
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April 14, 2011 2:57:59 PM

cant choose a best answer since they're all on target--
thank you for the help! going to stick with 275 for a while -- till the bug bites again
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a c 147 U Graphics card
April 14, 2011 3:01:32 PM

There are a few newer titles coming out that will be DX11. Maybe the bug will bite then. Not sure what your genre of games is.
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April 14, 2011 3:02:38 PM

yeah get a gtx 570 or wait, I love mine, crossfire is a headache
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April 14, 2011 3:14:25 PM

You can go get yourself a bigger monitor and "force" the bug to bite you. :p 
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April 14, 2011 3:18:04 PM

yeah I mean you can get a high quality 23" LED LCD with the 2ms gtg, the whole nine yards for 200 or less, I'm going to spring for a Samsung 23" with similar features for around 220 once I get paid at the end of the week, can't wait (and mind you i am just coming from a shittier 24" 1080p display, I am fed up with its poor colors/ and slow 5ms response mechanism, I want near flawless gameplay @60hz
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April 14, 2011 3:20:31 PM

jednx01 said:
The 570 is a good value, imo. I love the gtx 580, but it's not the best performance you can get for the price (although it is the best single card solution you can get). You could also consider the amd 6950, which is about $100 cheaper than the 570 but only slightly worse. You could get two of them and xfire them for less than a single gtx 580. Single card will be less of a hastle though, so it's really up to you.


dude you look like Ryan from the office, anyways I agree with what you are saying but personally I would advise the OP on a single card solution. If its multi monitor/ high res that you are going for then by all means go for crossfire, but IMO for a single display @ 1080p you overall gameplay will be more enjoyable with a single powerful card...
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April 14, 2011 3:21:30 PM

HEY OP:

BTW I think you have made great cpu and RAM choices for your system, it should be roaring fast in gaming, imo
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a c 147 U Graphics card
April 14, 2011 5:08:27 PM

gracefully said:
You can go get yourself a bigger monitor and "force" the bug to bite you. :p 

+1 FTW. I actually upgraded from a 3-4 year old Dell 22" E- series 1680x1050 5m (g2g) to a brand new Dell 24" 1920x1090 5ms (b2w) P-Series display. My gaming experience is must nicer. I think I like the 16:9 better than 16:10 being a little wider field of view. The external if the display is much nicer with height and swivel adjustments. Big Fan of a monitor upgrade if you are on an older, slower, smaller, lower res discplay.

http://accessories.us.dell.com/sna/productdetail.aspx?c...

I actually got this when they were having an instant savings and had an extra 15% off coupon. Got it for $230 with free shipping.
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April 14, 2011 5:13:50 PM

^^just wondering Jay, the 5ms response time is sufficient on that dell you listed? seems like it has great contrast ratio, but how are fast moving games for example? I agree that the wider FOV is better, I don't care for the current 1920X1200 old dell display that I'm using, really a display upgrade is very affordable for most people imo
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April 14, 2011 5:36:12 PM

^ I really wanted a 1920x1200 display, but it seems the TN panels at this resolution are just going away and are mostly IPS panels. I looked into it alot and centered on this display. Here were my selling points.

1) It is 5ms Black to White not Gray to Gray. Which makes all the difference. (read through this wiki for some info on the difference. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Response_time_%28technolog...)
2) It has a mat screen not glossy. I hate reflections on my screen. (this is a personal preference)
3) It's LED
4) It uses a standard power plug and not the power brick like many other LED's use
5) It has the same base as the UltraSharps. It swivels back and forth, tilts, and has a nice height adjustment.
6) 3 year warranty
7) There are alot of dell coupons out there. And I got a good deal on this.
8) It doesn't feel cheap either. Very sturdy.

The only thought I had afterward was I could have sprung for the Dell Ultrasharp 24". It is 1920x1200 and uses an IPS panel. Our Graphic designers have these and they have a very impressive display. I just did not know how they would perform in games.

I play Bad Company 2 right now for the most part and have NO lagging or ghosting issues what so ever. It's snappy and quick.

OP: sorry for the semi-thread hijack. sorta spawned form the suggestion to get a bigger display. I am still all for that if you stick with the 275.
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April 14, 2011 8:09:13 PM

yes, good stuff, thanks for the info jay
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April 15, 2011 12:23:08 PM

i'm hooked on AA3 -- any upgrade that gets my shots off faster .......
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April 15, 2011 12:48:49 PM

You'll want a good internet connection with low ping then, along with everything else. :) 
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April 15, 2011 1:20:33 PM

gracefully said:
You'll want a good internet connection with low ping then, along with everything else. :) 


oh boy...here we go ... so cable down-load is about 20mbps...but i cant get upload past .49mbps --- you know of any way to uncork that upload cap???
...in pursuit of gaming things just got a 2500k/giga ud4 board ...8 giggs 1600 cas8 , noctua nh-c14 cooler for oc'ing
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April 15, 2011 2:08:49 PM

....and what about this.....have sata3 ports available --- but have wd caviar black sata2 drive -- from what i can tell if you go with a new sata3 wd black drive (not ssd) the only advantage is burst speed goes up from 300 mbps for sata2 to 600 mbps for sata3 - but the non-ssd's cant achieve that burst speed anyway ( i think)
-- do you kno if a hdd like cav black with sata3 600 mb burst could accomplish that burst speed and if so, would it improve graphics???????? cant seem to find that answer
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April 16, 2011 12:51:38 AM

HDDs will probably only affect load times for Windows and your games. I doubt it will improve your graphics, apart from faster loading of textures that appear later in the game.

Concerning your upload speed, you're at the mercy of your ISP. Going gigabit for LAN only helps with speeds in your local network, not with the rest of the world.
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April 16, 2011 4:35:49 AM

thanks for reply ---- seems that sata 6 more for ssd --- i'm pretty sure .49 mbps upload is a standard thats controlled by isp
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April 16, 2011 4:37:24 AM

...as you said
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April 23, 2011 1:20:06 AM

Best answer selected by bigkid.
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