Old gaming build, need new parts!

CPU: Intel Core i5 2500k $220
MoBo: ASRock P67 EXTREME4 $160
RAM: G.SKILL Ripjaws Series Model F3-12800CL9D-4GBRL $46
Graphics: Nvidia gtx 560 ti $260
NOTE: YOU CAN ONLY GET 4GB OF RAM. Upgrade your OS to a 64bit to be able to get more than 4GB

A ati 6950 performs slightly better to the same price 20$ more http://www.guru3d.com/article/radeon-hd-6950-1gb-vs-gef...

http://www.guru3d.com/article/radeon-hd-6950-1gb-vs-gef...

http://www.guru3d.com/article/radeon-hd-6950-1gb-vs-gef...

http://www.guru3d.com/article/radeon-hd-6950-1gb-vs-gef...

http://www.guru3d.com/article/radeon-hd-6950-1gb-vs-gef...

There are more reviews.


By far a 6950 is better for 20$ more and beats the 560 it runs slightly hotter but is pretty long but has better performance

Make the -20$ http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/ite...   it's a great steal with the discount so 20$ less for better performance... Just saying...

Thank you for this awesome post. However, coming from a 8800gt which broke because it overheated, I'm kinda scared of overheating now...

So are both cards known to overheat?

Stop cherry picking results, the 560 Ti is just as fast as the HD 6950 and costs less:
http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/330?vs=293

The very review he links his charts from says this:

http://www.guru3d.com/article/radeon-hd-6950-1gb-vs-gef...

The 6950 he linked you is $250 plus shipping before MIR, here is the GTX 560 Ti for $230 before MIR or $20 cheaper, not the other way around.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...


I hope you realize he's trying to purposely mislead you into buying card that is more expensive and performs almost identically despite saying otherwise.

Neither card should overheat unless they are defective, the 6950 produces more heat.

if he wanted he could have linked to this:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

its the ATI6950 1GB $219 after rebates and free shipping.

The GTX 560 Ti is $200 after rebate. It's still $20 cheaper.

that 560 Ti is a weekend special, hence the low price. but i do like Nvidia more (especially with physx   thats the reason why i went for a GTS450 over a 5770)

i will tend towards a 6950 since it is stronger than the 560ti in most of the cases

The 560 Ti can be regularly found for $200 or less after rebate, that was just one model.

No, the 6950 beats the 560 Ti some of the time and the 560 Ti beats the 6950 some of the time. They are about equal in performance:
Out of 32 benches the 6950 was faster in 15, the 560 Ti was faster in 13, and they tied in 4.

browsing the world, thats what i am saying, 6950 won in most of the cases as you stated.
also, 2gb memory will be a little helpfull.imo

Yeah dude the 6950 is better than the 560, it's a little hotter but still a great card for 20$ more and there is 1 benchmark when the 6950 gets 10 fps than the 560. Case closed. And no I want him to get the card worth his money in this case the 6950.

Here is the bench mark the 9650 does even better on MW2 http://www.guru3d.com/article/radeon-hd-6950-1gb-vs-gef... though the farcry is a nivida game it got better FPS but for the most part the 6950 wins.

The 6950 won less than half of the benchmarks, 15/32 is not most. 15 vs. 13 with 4 ties is pretty close....

The 2GB of memory doesn't come free, then you're talking about a $45 differences. He can also get a GTX 560 Ti 2GB if he wanted to...

For 1440x900 2GB of memory is a horrible recommendation, Even at 1920x1080 you only need 1GB of VRAM.

Please read and understand the OP before making recommendations...


I thought you said the 6950 was the card that was $20 cheaper.  

There's a benchmark in that G3D review where the 560 Ti beats the 6950 by 19 fps, but good cherrypicking.

Again, the same review you are linking your benchmarks from says this:

Yeah and the proof? Where is it all because I sure didn't see it, look at most the games benchmark and reall the 6950 is better, dude just zip your lips let's not close this thread don't give me the rolling eye's acknowledge me, name 1 reason why he should get the 560 ti and not the 6950, the 6950 is known for better playing in higher res which is better. The 6950 also has a better benchmarking score if you LOOK at the review CORRECTLEY. For the most part the 6950 does win and for about the same price dude please stop flaming it's annoying and I hate when you close a thread because of a stupid video card conversation. Just stop. Why can't we just agree i'm sure with a monitor like that the 560 ti will be good on that but 6950 could perform a little better. To me the 560ti is barely noticable fps to a 6950. 560ti is agreed for what he needs but for a better longer lasting card (as in gaming) that needs NO OC a 6950 is the way to go.

I've included a link in almost all of my responses.

I'll give you 4 reasons.
1. The GTX 560 Ti is just as fast as the HD 6950 and it's cheaper.
2. The GTX 560 Ti produces less heat and noise.
3. The GTX 560 Ti has much better 3D playback support for 3D movies and games.
4. The GTX 560 Ti overclocks much better than the HD 6950.

Again the HD 6950 2GB is faster at higher resolutions but costs $45 more than the 560 Ti. The HD 6950 1GB costs $20 more than the GTX 560 Ti. For 1440x900 it's a terrible suggestion to buy the more expensive 2GB 6950.

Maybe you aren't looking at the benchmarks "correctly."


Again, the 560 Ti just as fast as the 6950 for the most part:
http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/331?vs=330

If you say that there's barely a difference between the 6950 and GTX 560 Ti then why do you claim the 6950 is faster than the 560 Ti. Obviously it depends heavily on the situation considering the 560 Ti and HD 6950 each win in about 45% of the benchmarks and tie the other 10%.

Please explain to me how the HD 6950 is the longer lasting card considering they perform almost the same as you yourself said.

Just stop complaining, I'm sick of yelling at a fanboy that loves Nivida that never stops till I admit your right and i'm wrong but what ever be like that it's just a karma thing for you later. I mean the 6950 would last 5 years later when the 560 ti would last like 4, the reason being is the 6950 has a better becnh marking score which I guess you never saw if you achutally SCROLL to the bottom of all the bench marks.

to add to addison's arguement the 6950 can be unlocked into a 6970....:

http://www.techpowerup.com/articles/overclocking/vidcar...

nearly forgot about that...

Did you hear guys, the 6950 will last 5 years and the GTX 560 Ti will last 4 years. Could you please explain how the 6950 will last a year longer than the 560 Ti (5 years is ancient for a video card and illustrates your lack of knowledge in this area) when, again, the benchmarks shows that their performance is about the same.



You forgot to add the fact the 560 Ti overclocks to be faster than a 6970 and doesn't require any BIOS flashing.

I wanna see a 560ti become a 570, gotta love ati technoglogy can a 560ti do that browsing the world? A 6950 can be a 6970 meaning that it could destory a 560ti.

Here's a benchmark of an overclocked GTX 560 Ti outperforming a GTX 570 and HD 6970.

Once again a GTX 560 Ti can be overclocked faster than a 6970. If he's going to flash his 6950 we should compare to that an overclocked 560 Ti which is much easier to do and can be faster.

Maybe you should google things and have an idea what you are talking about before giving an off the cuff "AMD is better" response.

Dude I got a C2D E6600 and a GTX 460 and I rock at 1920*1080 so I personally think you should just buy a graphics card at that low resolution...

What if he oc the modded 6950 then makes it a 6970 doubt that the 560 ti would win like i said your someone who always wants to be right. Stop trolling and the guy FEARS of overheating so no OC, a 6950 did better than 560 ti in most cases at just stock clocks. Really it did better. I want to give him a card worth his money and there is NO doubt that the 6950 will beat a 560ti because it's a highend card also http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/ite... 70$ more this card would KILL a 560ti and not overheat but it must be a stock clock. And I know the only reason you came on this thread was to arrgue with me because everything was FINE until you jumped in, dude just stop.

hey addison, just stop wasting your time on this trollingtheworld, i think he is a spammer and just wants to lurk here and there by giving senseless comments.
my request is to all moderators to please acknowledge his posts and just ban him off.

what about an OCed 6970 vs a OCed 560Ti?........ give up while your ahead and stop digging yourself deeper...

No because he'll say a 560ti sli could DESTOROY a 6970, I wanna see a oced 6990 vs 560ti sli...

trolol.

trollingtheworld still trolling? i couldve sworn the mods trold him, i mean told him to stop. whatevers though, not here to argue, ive been warned not to do it anymores.
and so far hes the only person thats been causing problems.

anyway. OP if you have around 250 bucks. you can get the 560ti or the 6950. if you have under 200 there is the 6870. its all up to you bro

Well what about a 5770 there cheap and awesome I have one still and it is a great card and good priced. But a 6870 is also a awesome card as ComputerNugget said, the 6850 is also price good and is awesome but for the big bang a 6950 is the WAY to go.

yes the 5770/6770 is a great card for the money. hell there are even places where they sell the 5670 for about 60-70 bucks. now those are great buys.

Yeah I think he would love a 5770 there only like 140$ or 150$ and the 5770 is a minor performance by the 6850. Also a card doesn't "break" by overheating the chip in the GPU fries, but you don't need like a 200$ card, I'm sure a 6850 or 5770 will play all your games for fine, infact you can oc the 5770 and the fan to like 75 then you need no worry of overheating  .

Well, if you wanted to know, there is where I am at now haha.

Operating System
Ms windows 7 professional 64 bit

CPU
INTEL CORE I5-2500K QUAD CORE 3.30GHZ 6MB CACHE LGA-1155

RAM
G.SKILL Ripjaws Series 4GB (2 x 2GB) DDR3 (PC3 12800)

Motherboard
GIGABYTE GA-Z68A-D3H-B3 LGA 1155 Intel Z68 HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel

Graphics
SyncMaster (1440x900@59Hz)
Still hesitant between gtx 560 ti and ati 6950

Hard Drives
313GB Western Digital WDC WD3200AAKS-00VYA0 (SATA)

Optical Drives
PIONEER DVD-RW DVR-212D

Power Supply
CORSAIR CMPSU-750TXV2 750W ATX 12V SINGLE RAIL 24PIN ATX 80PLUS BRONZE

Case
Cooler Master HAF-X (with 1 additional top fan and 1 additional air duct)

I suppose the only thing really that is left to buy is a better monitor and decide on my graphics card...


Well, thanks for huge debate anyways, it's given me options and shown me whats out there...

Jorda95

Ati 6950.... It is better no matter what trolling the world lied... Also you may want to get a 21 inch monitor, but the 6950 can also become a 6970.

Just got a ASUS 24IN VW246H WIDE, 2MS 1920X1080 about 5 minutes ago.

haha

LOL  , what games do you plan to play?

Well to be honest, i'm not sure yet, just anxious to play my current game like Heroes of Newerth and Team Fortress 2 on max settings. For new games, i'll have to wait maybe a few weeks, as it wasn't in my plans to blow 1300$ on a new gaming rig  

My 5770 destory TF2 on highest settings my rig gets 120fps-300fps.... A 6950 will do much better, overclock that baby's fan and some shader/ memory and you will be like in the war zone. If you want to save I HIGHLY reccomend a very cheap 5770 the performance for the price (140$) is almost unbeatable. It is such a amazing card for such a low price, the 5770 is still great today.

LOL sick, now I can't wait for all the parts to come in... Just looking around for prices for the 6950, and because I was looking at the gtx 560, I don't really know the 6950, so I have no idea which one would be better, AKA gigabyte asus or diamond...

The 6950..... The overclocking is easier, runs a LITTLE hotter. Get the 6950 by XFX they are the best for ati cards.

http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1681...

is this a good XFX for the price?

because I can get this http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1681...

OR for 10 $ more, I can get the 2Gig memory
http://www.sohodiffusion.com/prod/18524/ASUS-RADEON-HD-...

http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1681... It's alright it's about 270$ with shipping,


But if you can, http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1681... this is the best it's much cooler than a normal 6950 and is the same GPU, you could also OC to max it boost the fan speed to like 70% and get normal temps of a 6950 without that kind of cooler. 2gb is a waste, it won't improve anything you may get like 2 more fps and that's really just it.

yeah the 2gb is only if you plan to game on ultra high resolutions, like 2560 by 1600.

So..... I guess the xfx or iceq are the best for you good luck on the build, get the iceq 6950 it's much cooler. Happy building  

- Addison Tancredi

Best answer selected by jorda95.