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September 29, 2011 7:24:57 PM

Hello every body.
AMD Phenom II X6 1090T and Intel Core i5 2310 Sandy Bridge have the same price (~170$ in my area) and this is the maximum price that I can pay. This AMD has two more cores and 0.3 GHz more frequency than that intel; but that Intel is a sandy bridge and is 40% faster than an equivalent core i5 as I've heard.

Can some body give me a help with this decision? :sarcastic:  Please note that wattage difference and most other things do not matter to me so just tell me which is faster.
Thanks.

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September 29, 2011 7:32:18 PM

The i5-2310 isn't on Anand's benchmarks, but what I *can* tell you is that, for almost every task, the i5-2400 bests the Phenom.

http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/146?vs=363

FWIW, after much reading, I just upgraded my CPU from an X2 Regor 250
to a 1090T -- but only because I could do it without needing a new board.

If I were building a new system today, I'd opt for the i5-2500K.
Nothing else comes close.

I've been a big AMD fan for the past decade based on value, but currently
AMD just doesn't have anything to touch that Intel chip. It's better in efficiency,
computing power and bang for the buck.
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September 29, 2011 7:35:49 PM

Maybe, but the 1090T is about $50 cheaper.

I think the AMD processor is better value due to more cores and unlocked multi allowing easy overclocking. Get an AM3+ board for future upgrades :) 
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September 29, 2011 7:44:17 PM

FinneousPJ said:
Maybe, but the 1090T is about $50 cheaper.

I think the AMD processor is better value due to more cores and unlocked multi allowing easy overclocking. Get an AM3+ board for future upgrades :) 


I saw the i5-2500K on sale at my local microcenter this weekend for (I believe) $165.
If you can find one for that price (or even $175), it's really no contest.

Oh -- BTW -- regarding the AM3+ -- upgrade to what, exactly? ;) 
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September 29, 2011 8:01:03 PM

expatCanuck said:
I saw the i5-2500K on sale at my local microcenter this weekend for (I believe) $165.
If you can find one for that price (or even $175), it's really no contest.

Oh -- BTW -- regarding the AM3+ -- upgrade to what, exactly? ;) 


Chances are he doesn't live near your local microcenter :p 

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its not, the OP is saying they can get both the i5-2310 and the phenom 1090T for the same price of $170...

next time please bother reading the thread maybe?


LOL what, maybe you should read the thread. (hint: I wasn't referring to the OP)
September 29, 2011 8:10:25 PM

Which is faster for what? What do you want to use the computer for?
September 29, 2011 8:18:04 PM

I'm building a DAW to be used in a home music production studio.
September 29, 2011 8:20:27 PM

"LOL what, maybe you should read the thread. (hint: I wasn't referring to the OP)"

He can get both CPU's in his local area at the same price (~170$)
Where can you get a 1090T for $120?
September 29, 2011 8:21:01 PM

> Chances are he doesn't live near your local microcenter

Someone's cranky.

No, the OP probably doesn't live by my local Microcenter. That's not the point.

The point I was making (which a more astute reader might perceive) is that prices
are very fluid, and a conscientious shopper can maximize value
by taking advantage of sales which come & go. [NextTag, anyone?]

Just for kicks, let me add fuel to the fire. Here's a comparison of the 2310 & 1090T:
http://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=Intel+Core+i5-2...

All that said -- I'll offer this to the OP -- if I was building now, I wouldn't buy either
of these CPUs -- I'd opt for the i5-2500K, waiting, saving and/or tweaking my budget
as need be.

- Richard


September 29, 2011 8:25:26 PM

HexXxagon said:
I'm building a DAW to be used in a home music production studio.

In which case, you just might care about power consumption.

All other things being equal (and they never are), a CPU that runs at a lower voltage
will require less cooling, which means slower / fewer fans, which means less noise.

If I was building a DAW and it ran my software adequately,
I'd surely opt for a 65w i3-2100 over a 125w X6.
September 29, 2011 8:32:08 PM

Learned a lot! now thinking.........
But Richard, your 2nd link freaks me to buy the 1090T!
September 30, 2011 1:25:36 AM

HexXxagon said:
Learned a lot! now thinking.........
But Richard, your 2nd link freaks me to buy the 1090T!


I would put more stock in the AnandTech comparisons.
Much more thorough. The PassMark is but one test
(or one suite of tests). Indicative, but not definitive.

And the 2310 consumes 3/4 the power.

So, between those two, I'd opt for the 2310, assuming
that you can build the rest of the system for a comparable
price.
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September 30, 2011 1:34:32 AM

expatCanuck said:


If I were building a new system today, I'd opt for the i5-2500K.
Nothing else comes close.

I've been a big AMD fan for the past decade based on value, but currently
AMD just doesn't have anything to touch that Intel chip. It's better in efficiency,
computing power and bang for the buck.


IF your buying a $220 cpu most people are not.
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September 30, 2011 1:55:58 AM

HexXxagon said:
Hello every body.
AMD Phenom II X6 1090T and Intel Core i5 2310 Sandy Bridge have the same price (~170$ in my area) and this is the maximum price that I can pay. This AMD has two more cores and 0.3 GHz more frequency than that intel; but that Intel is a sandy bridge and is 40% faster than an equivalent core i5 as I've heard.

Can some body give me a help with this decision? :sarcastic:  Please note that wattage difference and most other things do not matter to me so just tell me which is faster.
Thanks.



They are about the same speed. Your not going to notice much of a difference.

The 1090 uses more power under load, but I doubt you would notice the difference. AMD motherboards are usually less expensive so you may pay less overall, but the price difference is not huge. AMD boards also typically have better cpu updatability down the line, if that matters to you.

I would go x6 1090. I like supporting the underdog. AMD needs the money more than intel right now. And competition keeps cpu prices down.



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September 30, 2011 8:10:08 AM

I'm shocked I have to come here and explain what should be blatantly obvious.

mrfaces said:
"LOL what, maybe you should read the thread. (hint: I wasn't referring to the OP)"

He can get both CPU's in his local area at the same price (~170$)
Where can you get a 1090T for $120?


Let me spell it out for you - even though you must have read it since you're even quoting it. I was not referring to the OP. I was referring to the previous post mentioning "I'd opt for the i5-2500K.
Nothing else comes close." It is 50 bucks more expensive. Savvy? :D 

expatCanuck said:
> Chances are he doesn't live near your local microcenter

Someone's cranky.

No, the OP probably doesn't live by my local Microcenter. That's not the point.

The point I was making (which a more astute reader might perceive) is that prices
are very fluid, and a conscientious shopper can maximize value
by taking advantage of sales which come & go. [NextTag, anyone?]


Please, you don't have to demean my reading skills. Perhaps you didn't notice the smiley :whistle: 
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September 30, 2011 8:26:27 AM

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what? your telling the OP to go for the worse processor because 'AMD need the money right now'?


No, I am telling you that you have reading comprehension issues, as I clearly placed the two on par with each other. And they are.

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IF your buying a $220 cpu most people are not.


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are you feeling OK? please look at 2500K sales figures, infact just look at the new build section of the forum, the 2500K is by far the best selling and best value performance processor out there today!


No its not the best selling processor. Not even close. What do base this on? Post on a forum? Really? Really? Thats how YOU calculate sales?

Most people don't buy processors in that price range.

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and then theres the i5-2300/2400 and 2500, if your not planning on overclocking, they are still fantastic value processors!

[EDIT]: currently i would reccommend anyone going with AMD to go for an AM3+ board, which if you've noticed go for the same/higher price than LGA1155 boards.


No, boards of the same caliber are slightly more expensive on the intel side.

Next time, post when your sober.
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September 30, 2011 9:05:20 AM

Golly, looks like the guy's in Iran. I'd really want to know what motherboards he has available since really for a DAW, how much processing power do you need? I'd be more concerned about the other components.
September 30, 2011 10:36:25 AM

Nice combat!
Yes. I'm in Iran. I've got lots of choices for motherboards. Specially Asus ,MSI and Gigabyte offer good and cost benefit stuffs.
Since I'm on a limited budget I'm gonna buy one of the two mentioned cpus , a motherboard between 100 and 150$, say a MSI-880gm-e41 or Asus-M4A 88T-m or Gigabyte-880gm-usb3, 2Gigs of high speed ram like 2000 or 1866, no graphic cards and something like an AOC 20" LED. I own professional studio gear like M-Audio fast track pro, Beyerdynamic DT990pro and a midi keyboard.
Now please tell me what the concern can be.
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September 30, 2011 10:56:16 AM

Well, then I personally think the Intel chip is just an overall better CPU especially if you are going to go with integrated graphics and if power is pricey. Personally, I'd stick with an Asus or Gigabyte board.
September 30, 2011 11:13:55 AM

Thanks. Can sandy bridge gpu satisfy my simple graphical usages or do I look for a motherboard with on-board vga?
September 30, 2011 11:30:15 AM

The Dallas MicroCenter now has the i5 2500 K for $149. Great price.
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September 30, 2011 12:05:46 PM

The OP's in Iran :p 
September 30, 2011 12:06:55 PM

for music production/recording. more cores is better. why? because more cores will be useful and will handle low buffer sizes/low latencies even at the LOWEST on daily use. even if you ReWire 2 or 3 programs at the same time with lowest buffer size. but of course you will need to have an audio interface also. and also more cores will handle more plugins/effects better. even if you load up lots of plugins, 6 cores will handle it easily. trust me. i have a home studio myself.

also make sure the DAW's your planning to use are multi-threaded to fully take advantage of the 6 cores. (ex: Cubase, Sonar or Pro Tools)

in comparison for this use, the i5 is faster, the Phenom X6 is stronger. although im planning to upgrade to a i5-2500K on my next build. well thats because i make music and play games too.

and yes buy an AM3+ motherboard for future upgrade. the Bulldozer will be out in a while. and then you can upgrade to 8-cores later.
September 30, 2011 12:26:43 PM

HexXxagon said:
Nice combat!
Yes. I'm in Iran. I've got lots of choices for motherboards. Specially Asus ,MSI and Gigabyte offer good and cost benefit stuffs.
Since I'm on a limited budget I'm gonna buy one of the two mentioned cpus , a motherboard between 100 and 150$, say a MSI-880gm-e41 or Asus-M4A 88T-m or Gigabyte-880gm-usb3, 2Gigs of high speed ram like 2000 or 1866, no graphic cards and something like an AOC 20" LED. I own professional studio gear like M-Audio fast track pro, Beyerdynamic DT990pro and a midi keyboard.
Now please tell me what the concern can be.

dont go cheap on ram. buy at least a 2x2GB or 4x2GB of ram. dont buy single channel modules. always buy dual channel rams for better bandwidth.
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September 30, 2011 2:56:02 PM


In a multithreaded environment the AMD Phenom II X6 1090T is your best choice IF you can purchase an AM3+ motherboard, or an AM3 motherboard that will support AM3+ processors --- IF an upgrade path is important to you.

In pure GFLOPs, the Thuban wins, regardless of Anteltech propaganda.

September 30, 2011 2:56:20 PM

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sadly even in that the 2500K is better :/ 
http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/146?vs=288

ah well.

of course the i5-2500K is faster like i said. but the X6 is a lil stronger for this matter. i know more cores is better cause ive also tested my other system using a Q8200 vs my E7500 @ 3.70GHz and the slower clock Q8200 won on handling lots of VST, VSTi plugins. and im talking about heavy plugins here. like all tracks with FX like Guitar Amplification, Dynamics Processing, EQs, Reverb etc. what more for the hexa-core? it'll be like Goliath. yeah slower than i5's but has the might.

also anandtech only benched for "rendering times". the faster one will win. but that is not how you test a power of a thing.
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September 30, 2011 6:08:20 PM

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if you read the post you quoted i said 'best selling PERFORMANCE cpu' out there.
.

But thats not what I was talking about. At that price point, everyone buys the 2500k because of the unlocked multiplier. But it is badly outsold by sub-$150 parts.
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cheapest 2 boards with 2xPCI-E lanes and using the latest chipset:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6813128520
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6813130608


tada, infact the LGA1155 one is better in some ways.

Board cherry picking aside, you will notice both boards were on sale and the intel board had a higher regular price. Gigabyte version of the AMD board had a $10 rebate and was therefore cheaper. And relevant since it was a Gigabyte intel board.

Like I said, its a small difference, but it is there.
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September 30, 2011 6:11:47 PM

chinoroy said:
of course the i5-2500K is faster like i said. but the X6 is a lil stronger for this matter. i know more cores is better cause ive also tested my other system using a Q8200 vs my E7500 @ 3.70GHz and the slower clock Q8200 won on handling lots of VST, VSTi plugins. and im talking about heavy plugins here. like all tracks with FX like Guitar Amplification, Dynamics Processing, EQs, Reverb etc. what more for the hexa-core? it'll be like Goliath. yeah slower than i5's but has the might.

also anandtech only benched for "rendering times". the faster one will win. but that is not how you test a power of a thing.


It is a good point that there is a difference between speed and raw processing power.

The 2500k is faster. But when pushed, the 1090 can handle more. Your experience there is a great example of that.
October 1, 2011 7:55:23 AM

Thank you all. Since I'm upgrading my system only for handling more vst/vsti plugins which is my main issue now, I finally decided to buy amd phenom II X6 1090T. Any more comments would be appreciated.
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October 1, 2011 8:18:58 AM

HexXxagon said:
Thank you all. Since I'm upgrading my system only for handling more vst/vsti plugins which is my main issue now, I finally decided to buy amd phenom II X6 1090T. Any more comments would be appreciated.



Some builders like to upgrade their cpu couple of years down the line while keeping the old motherboard and components. This can be a good way to save on costs.

If you think this is something you might do, then I would recommend either an ASUS or Gigabyte motherboard. Both update the bios on their boards for several years on all board models, ensuring that later processors will work with your current board. At least until the cpu manufacturer abandons the socket. Most Motherboard manufacturers will only update the bios for a year or so.

Are you really in Iran? Your English is very good. Usually posters from non-engish speaking countries have serious grammar and syntax errors. I would never have known if someone hadn't mentioned it.

October 1, 2011 9:10:26 AM

dont forget to buy dual ram modules for better performance. and ignore MSi boards as they have a bad reputation vrms blowing when overclocking lol. you prolly dont wanna overclock yet, but when the time comes, you'll be curious and will start to spend things.
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October 1, 2011 3:30:17 PM

No issues with MSI from my standpoint -- they have been as good, if not better, than the other guys, especially in BIOS updates.

The latest AMD motherboard integrated graphics (Radeon 4250?) is quite good for it's age - generally on par with anything Intel has to offer. Some boards have integrated 'sideport' video memory that reduces the need to commit a lot of system RAM.

You can easily push 2 monitors with it with one caveat -- digital (HDMI or DVI) for connection A; analog (d-sub) for connection B. D-sub to digital 'converter' plugs have worked fine for me.

October 1, 2011 7:59:30 PM

FALC0N said:
Are you really in Iran? Your English is very good. Usually posters from non-engish speaking countries have serious grammar and syntax errors. I would never have known if someone hadn't mentioned it.


You really made me happy, and happier when I notice that I've had no language class, degrees, etc. :love: 

October 1, 2011 8:02:51 PM

FALC0N said:
Some builders like to upgrade their cpu couple of years down the line while keeping the old motherboard and components. This can be a good way to save on costs.

If you think this is something you might do, then I would recommend either an ASUS or Gigabyte motherboard. Both update the bios on their boards for several years on all board models, ensuring that later processors will work with your current board. At least until the cpu manufacturer abandons the socket. Most Motherboard manufacturers will only update the bios for a year or so. .


Nice point. I'll keep it in mind.
October 3, 2011 9:46:20 AM

Wisecracker said:
No issues with MSI from my standpoint -- they have been as good, if not better, than the other guys, especially in BIOS updates.

The latest AMD motherboard integrated graphics (Radeon 4250?) is quite good for it's age - generally on par with anything Intel has to offer. Some boards have integrated 'sideport' video memory that reduces the need to commit a lot of system RAM.

You can easily push 2 monitors with it with one caveat -- digital (HDMI or DVI) for connection A; analog (d-sub) for connection B. D-sub to digital 'converter' plugs have worked fine for me.

yeah i dont hate on MSI. cause i know they make good products too. the vrms issue was just what i read somewhere like almost all of them are saying the truth and they've experienced it.
October 4, 2011 1:35:47 PM

Two more questions here: Is the dedicated CPU fan enough for 1090T or do I need to buy an extra one? and what kind of power do you recommend for such a cpu?
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October 4, 2011 3:12:07 PM

I'm not sure I understand your questions but if you're overclocking (it's a Black Edition after all) you're going to want an aftermarket cooler, like the Hyper 212+. If not the stock cooler should be enough. What kind of power, do you mean PSU? That's obviously dependent on your system, not just the CPU.
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October 5, 2011 1:35:29 AM

If you are referring to a 'case' fan at a minimum you really need one at the rear of the case -- with one at the front highly advisable.

If you wish to start an interesting debate, everyone has their own favorite 'case air flow' set ups :lol: 

chinoroy said:
yeah i dont hate on MSI. cause i know they make good products too. the vrms issue was just what i read somewhere like almost all of them are saying the truth and they've experienced it.


No worries, mate.

I think a few years ago they had issues with 'sploding caps on some models (maybe s939's ??) but their board components are as good as anyone these days.

And I actually own an MSI 790FX AM2+ motherboard which has had so many BIOS updates it supports over 200 AM2 and AM3 processors

:o 

Best $140 I ever spent!

(I think the actual number of supported CPUs is something like 127 [:jaydeejohn:5] )

October 5, 2011 4:26:26 PM

yeah if you want a cheap system then amd will be better for you
!