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Need opinions on tower (Coming back from Mac)

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July 5, 2011 2:15:00 AM

So I bought a 27 inch iMac top of the line model, but have had issues with the screen and have decided to go back to PC after almost 6 years of not having one.

So I want a premade tower that is powerful enough to run games at good settings, and is a good leaping off point for the time being.

I have my eyes on this one here : http://www.bestbuy.com/site/Dell+-+Studio+XPS+Desktop+/...

I was just wondering, how is the price on the tower for the components that come inside of it (like I said, I havent kept current with PC hardware), and I am wondering if the HD 6770 graphics card is a good enough option for games like WoW, and CS: Source (and of course Battlefield 3 in the future).

Like I said, I am not super interested in a crazy ridiculous self made machine, I just want something that is powerful and can get the job done.
July 5, 2011 4:54:28 AM

If you want to go prebuilt try cyberpower or Ibuypower. Just search for it on google and then use the system configurator to tweak your build. IMHO a 6770 isnt strong enough for many new games, but it depends on what you want to play and at what rez you want to play at. I am more AMD than Nividia but have liked the newer cards, the 560 TI in partiular. I have read good things about the straight 560 too.
How much were you looking to spend?
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July 5, 2011 5:01:51 AM

BTW - I jumped in quick and didnt read the entire post, the cyberpower (or simiar)option is pretty close to what you can get with a self build, power and quality for the price but nothing beats a self built system in value. Try to steer clear of any bulk manufactured systems like the big boys make. Not too many upgrade options with those dell's and the like. If you decide to try to build your own, there is a step by step here on this site, under this forum and many people to help you pick the best parts at the best price.
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July 5, 2011 5:26:02 AM

Well I spent 2200 on the mac, so anywhere up to 2200, but of course I would like to save money since it is no longer a mac and rather a PC.

I really want this computer to run WoW, CS Source, and Battlefield 3 in the fall very well. Like high settings.

Also, is it viable to build your own PC by buying in any stores? I hate ordering online.
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July 5, 2011 1:21:06 PM

do you live near a Microcenter or Fry's?
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July 5, 2011 6:13:52 PM

I do live next to a microcenter (sort of) and a Fry's is about 15 minutes away from me.

I now already have a custom build in mind, and I was looking for some of the parts online on frys website and they dont have them all.

I think I am going to stop into both places today with my list, and see what they have or what alternatives I may find.
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July 5, 2011 6:26:36 PM

microcenter will carry every part you need to build the computer, and their cpu prices are unbeatable. id be happy to help you with your custom build.
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July 5, 2011 6:50:52 PM

So this is a build that was suggested to me from another member, that was approved by some others. I want a pretty powerful gaming rig, and I stated that my budget was about 1000-1300. I am definitely going to crossfire the 6870s, although I question if doing dual GTX 560s would be better.

I5 + MSI Z68
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...

CPU Cooler -
Xig Balder
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

GSKillz Sniper 8GB DDR3
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...


SSD - Crucial M4 CT064M4SSD2 2.5" 64GB For boot
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

HDD for data
HITACHI Deskstar 7K3000 HDS723015BLA642 (0F12114) 1.5TB 7200 RPM
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Lian- Li K63
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

PSU - Antec HCG 750W
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

GPU - HD 6950 2GB
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

DVD
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Total -~$1169

OR you can spend $80 more and get 2x HD 6870s in Crossfire,...
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

THis looks pretty good to me, and I would much rather buy everything in a store rather than online. You think I could find all of this at Frys or Microcenter? Or at least equivalents?
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July 5, 2011 7:07:37 PM

i assume you mean crossfire the 6950's, as thats what you have in your list? i would recommend using the microcenter website to make your build, as you can create it based on in-store stock. its nice to know exactly what parts to buy ahead of time, and you can reserve them online. all the links are broken, but it is fundamentally a solid build.

keep in mind a gtx 560 is not the same as a gtx 560 TI. the hd6950 2gb is roughly on par with a factory overclocked gtx 560 ti at 1080p resolution (i assume this will be your resolution?).

HD6870s are going to be less powerful than either (about the same as a gtx 560), but any of the above cards in crossfire will be a very powerful gaming computer. Id say the best choice depends on the prices that are available to you in store.
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July 5, 2011 7:15:20 PM

No, I would either go for a 6950 2GB, Crossfire 6870s (as shown in the bottom), or I would possibly go with two of the GTX 560s.

I updated all the links, you should be able to click them now.

If I were to go with a 6950 2 GB, I can always crossfire it at a later time yes? Would this be the smarter way to go? If the 6950 2GB could compete with a crossfire 6870 set, I would probably go that router.... however do the crossfire 6870s or the two GTX 560s blow it out of the water at all?

I was looking on microcenters site.... if it does not say pick up in store does that mean they for sure do not have it?
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July 5, 2011 11:29:00 PM

Okay, so I just got back from the local frys and found everything I would need in store for a custom build. I still have micro center to go to, but it seems like Fry's is not a bad option.

So here is what I came out with.

Prcoessor: Intel Core i5 2500k Sandy Bridge 3.3 GHz - $214.99
http://www.frys.com/product/6487382?site=sr:SEARCH:MAIN...

Motherboard: MSI P67A-GD65 (This is one item I had a question about. They didnt have the Z68A, is this mobo still a good option?) - $174.99
http://www.frys.com/product/6539933?site=sr:SEARCH:MAIN...

Cooler: Antec Kuhler H20 620 Liquid Cooling System - On sale for $57.00
http://www.frys.com/product/6568373?site=sr:SEARCH:MAIN...

Memory: 8GB (2 x 4GB) Crucial Ballistix DDR3 1600mhz dual memory - $82.99
http://www.frys.com/product/6576353?site=sr:SEARCH:MAIN...

SSD for booting: Corsair 60 GB Force Series F60 (285 red speed, 275 write speed) - $119.99
http://www.frys.com/product/6569543?site=sr:SEARCH:MAIN...

HDD for storage: Hitachi Deskstar 1TB 3.5" Internal Retail Boxed Hard Drive - On sale for $49.99
http://www.frys.com/product/5947234?site=sr:SEARCH:MAIN...

Power Supply: Antec EarthWatts 750w Continuous Power Power Supply - $99.99 (It says SLI ready, but it doesnt mention Crossfire, does that mean it cant do it?)

Graphics. Now this is where everything gets a little confusing. Dont know what I want to do yet.

From what I have heard, two GTX 560s are the way to go, and in store they are 199.99 each. bring them to 399.98 for both.

If I go with the Radeon HD 6950 with 2 GB of RAM, the price in store is 289.99 after rebate.

If I were to crossfire two Radeon 6870s with 1GB VRAM it would be 179.99 for each, coming to 359.98.

Case: There was a case I liked there for 59.99.

So here are the totals.

Total with two GTX 560s = 1259.91 before taxes and before OS and Monitor.

Total with the 6950 with 2GB of RAM= 1149.92 before taxes and before OS and Monitor.

Total with the Crossfire 6870 1GB RAM each = 1219.91 before taxes and before OS and Monitor.

So, At this point I feel like I can eliminate the 6870s out of the picture because they are not much cheaper than the 560s, and I have heard they perform much worse.

But I am so conflicted, with the price I am at right now, should I just go for a top tier single video card setup? Like I said, I spent 2200 on my iMac, so in all honestly I could go up to around there as a total price, but I do also want to save money.

I just want to know that a setup like this will last for a good long time. Especially with the dual GTX 560s.

Input is appreciated thank you so much!
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July 6, 2011 3:08:58 AM

based on your budget and the prices i see at fry's i would recommend a pair of GTX 560 ti's (not regular gtx 560). there is alot of confusion because the gtx 560 ti was released before the gtx 560 and was therefore casually called the gtx 560.

i recommend you look at some benchmarks of the various cards, be careful, as some sites (like guru3d) have the gtx 560 ti mislabeled as a gtx 560 in some places, like here (the stock gtx 560 ti is labelled gtx 560, the msi twin frozr is overclocked at 880mhz):


http://www.guru3d.com/article/msi-n560gtx-ti-twin-froze...

http://www.frys.com/product/6514883?site=sr:SEARCH:MAIN...
http://www.frys.com/product/6516613?site=sr:SEARCH:MAIN...

I think the 6870's are also a good value (the gtx 560's inferior SLI scaling makes them a poor choice, imo). I would take the 560 ti's over the 6870's simply because you have an ample budget, making the better card an obvious choice.

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