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June 24, 2012 11:49:52 AM

hello guys i would like to buy a gaming pc for about 1000 dollars but i cant decide which motherboard should i choose, i normally play games like battlefield 3 and MW2, i would like you to suggest me some motherboards that will cost around 110$ while they can comply with the rest of the parts of my computer.
My specs are:
intel i5 2500k--> 204$
sapphire 6850 2 gb -->150$ (used for 2 months by a well known store)
corsair xms3 8gb ddr3 1600 --> 60$

Thanks in advance.
June 24, 2012 11:54:23 AM

At the beginning i choosed : ASUS P8H67-M EVO or P8H67-M PRO, but i would like to suggest the best motherboard according on what you think is best for gaming as long as the cost around 110$.
ps. sorry for any mistakes i live in Greece, and computer parts are a bit pricey and limited
a c 717 V Motherboard
June 24, 2012 12:15:11 PM

Welcome to Tom's Forum! :) 

Couple things here, a SB(K) cannot be overclocked on the H67 nor can your run >DDR3-1333, and next I like Corsair but not the XMS series. To overclock you need a P67, Z68 or Z77 Intel chipset MOBO.

RAM:
$49 Corsair CMZ8GX3M2A1600C9 if the HSF will allow it's height - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
$55 Corsair CML8GX3M2A1600C9 or CML8GX3M2A1600C9B Low Profile - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

CPU:
$230 Intel Core i5-3570K Ivy Bridge it's a newer CPU - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

MOBO (assuming you want micro-ATX):
$100 ASRock Z77 Pro4-M ; (1) GPU it 'can' CF - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
specs - http://www.asrock.com/mb/Intel/Z77%20Pro4-M/?cat=Specif...
$142 ASUS P8Z77-M PRO ; (2) GPU support CF/SLI - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
specs - http://www.asus.com/Motherboards/Intel_Socket_1155/P8Z7...
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June 24, 2012 1:07:58 PM

jaquith said:
Welcome to Tom's Forum! :) 

Couple things here, a SB(K) cannot be overclocked on the H67 nor can your run >DDR3-1333, and next I like Corsair but not the XMS series. To overclock you need a P67, Z68 or Z77 Intel chipset MOBO.

RAM:
$49 Corsair CMZ8GX3M2A1600C9 if the HSF will allow it's height - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
$55 Corsair CML8GX3M2A1600C9 or CML8GX3M2A1600C9B Low Profile - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

CPU:
$230 Intel Core i5-3570K Ivy Bridge it's a newer CPU - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

MOBO (assuming you want micro-ATX):
$100 ASRock Z77 Pro4-M ; (1) GPU it 'can' CF - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
specs - http://www.asrock.com/mb/Intel/Z77%20Pro4-M/?cat=Specif...
$142 ASUS P8Z77-M PRO ; (2) GPU support CF/SLI - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
specs - http://www.asus.com/Motherboards/Intel_Socket_1155/P8Z7...


Thanks for the quick reply.
To begin with, i know that the cpus with the "k" can be overclocked since it has unlocked multipliers while the other cannot.
I am looking for a cheap and reliable products and i found the xms3 and the vengeance to be almost at the same price both at 8gb and 1600mhz and i chose the xms3 be i because i think that those are a bit compact.
Now about the cpu, i have read in a numerous of forums including tomshardware that he best gaming processor for for the money i intend to spend as shown here : http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gaming-cpu-review-o...
I don't care about micro atx or atx as long as it matches my criteria, i dont think i am going to overclock my pc in the near future and i may oc it at the distance future.
However i will take into account your suggestions.
AND: 25% off from a 2 month used gpu is a bang for the buck??(i am pretty sure that a store wont overclock their gpu's the have inside a computer (for the public to test the computer)
a c 717 V Motherboard
June 24, 2012 4:33:49 PM

staurulinos said:
(1) To begin with, i know that the cpus with the "k" can be overclocked since it has unlocked multipliers while the other cannot.

(2) I am looking for a cheap and reliable products and i found the xms3 and the vengeance to be almost at the same price both at 8gb and 1600mhz and i chose the xms3 be i because i think that those are a bit compact.

(3) Now about the cpu, i have read in a numerous of forums including tomshardware that he best gaming processor for for the money i intend to spend as shown here : http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gaming-cpu-review-o...)

(1) The CPU can be overclocked, but not on the H67; To overclock you need a P67, Z68 or Z77 Intel chipset MOBO.

(2) The XMS series have been LESS reliable than their Vengeance counter parts; see prior suggestions.

(3) There's nothing wrong with the OLDER Sandy Bridge i5-2500K, the NEWER (replacement) Ivy Bridge i5-3570K is better choice for essentially the SAME price as shown here : http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/cpus/2012/05/01/intel-...

Now, you have a couple choices: take what I suggest or dismiss what I suggest - the choice is yours.

Good Luck!
June 24, 2012 7:03:12 PM

Ok, you have convinced me that processor that i should buy the i5-3570K
but how about the video card, it has the same price as the version of the 1gb, but it is used , what you suggest i should do???
a c 717 V Motherboard
June 24, 2012 8:49:36 PM

Caveat - most non Z77's don't have the minimum BIOS to Post or even upgrade the BIOS to accept the IB CPUs. Meaning on older MOBO's with older BIOS you may need to borrow someones SB CPU, or a shop or an RMA to upgrade the BIOS.

Some game vRAM bottleneck with <2GB, so IMO the 2GB version.
June 24, 2012 9:56:23 PM

Now, when it comes to the motherboard, i don't have problem if it is m-atx or normal atx,

1) i would like it to support this video card: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... (The sapphire 6850 ( but the 2gb version)
2) i would like to have crossfirex but i dont care that much about crossfirex
3) the same with the hdmi since the video card has an hdmi output
4) LAN would be nice
5) and must support DDR 3
6) UEFI is nice too
and i want you to explain me what is the RAID, SLI, SERIAL ATA 3 etc

As i said before i will mainly use the pc for gaming or web browsing

I was suggested that the brand of the motherboard should be an ASUS, GIGABYTE or MSI

So far i have decided that my new pc should include:

1) power supply: OCZ ZS SERIES POWER SUPPLY 550W
2) case :SHARKOON T5 VALUE
3) processor: i5-3570K (but i keep thinking about the i5 2500k)
4) RAM: CORSAIR CMZ8GX3M2A1600C9 VENGEANCE 8GB
5) Video card: Sapphire 6850
a c 717 V Motherboard
June 25, 2012 12:00:06 AM

I would look at Corsair or SeaSonic PSU's - less chance of coil whine. Simply, the cost burden to OC a CPU is more costly than not OC'ing a CPU - components have to dissipate more heat, provide more power, and 'even/smooth' power: MOBO, CPU, HSF, PSU.

Good Z77's (OC + CF/SLI):
ASUS P8Z77-V *
ASUS P8Z77-V Pro *
ASRock Z77 Extreme4
ASRock Z77 Extreme6
Gigabyte GA-Z77X-UD3H
Gigabyte GA-Z77X-UD5H *
/I'm not an advocate of MSI/
* - better OC'ing.

RAID is simply when more that (1) HDD/SSD are used together. RAID 1, 5, 10 use redunency and RAID 0 places together two or more drives to increase performance but the down side is if you lose any drive you lose all data. More info - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RAID

SLI (Scalable Link Interface) - pertains to nVidia GPU's only 2/3/4-WAY SLI (2-4 GPUs). More info - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scalable_Link_Interface

SATA (Serial ATA or Serial AT Attachment) - is the communication interface of current consumer based 'drives': HDD, SDD, ODD. More info - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serial_ATA
June 25, 2012 7:38:06 AM

SeaSonic is not available in my country and the cheapest Corsair 600W PSU costs 100$ and does not come with over/under voltage protection, so my only choice is the CORSAIR GAMING SERIES GS600 600W (105$)
And i will probably go with the P8Z77-V LX however i consinder buying the P8Z77-V LE

Thanks for your help.
a c 717 V Motherboard
June 25, 2012 11:10:25 AM

All Corsair PSU's sold in the USA have voltage protection and PFC. The only limitations with the P8Z77-V LE or LX is Phases which means a higher vCore to remain stable otherwise they work fine.
June 26, 2012 8:36:23 AM

Sorry to bother you again but, my mother asked me to upgrade one pc because it is lagging a lot.So, i checked it and found out that the RAM is a 1024 MB, DDR2 and 667mhz.Also, its CPU is an 1,86 Ghz, Intel core 2
What should i do?I am looking for an inexpensive solution.(it is just an office computer that needs to run 1 program and 1 web browser and few other windows), it contains Windows XP 32bit (i am not too sure about the 32bits)
Thanks again.
June 26, 2012 11:28:36 AM

And could you help me choose a case that will house my new pc?
I am looking for one that costs UNDER 85 bucs , it must have good cable management, good airflow and a side window would be nice.
I have found :
COOLERMASTER RC 430 ELITE, http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

SHARKOON T5 VALUE (dont think that this case has a good airflow, i would like your opinion, however it has 1 port of USB 3.0), http://www.sharkoon.com/?q=en/content/t5-value

COOLERMASTER ELITE 334 NVIDIA EDITION (bit expensive over here), http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
June 26, 2012 1:17:05 PM

Holy *** dude, i just saw whats going on on Florida.
Hope you are ok!
a c 717 V Motherboard
June 26, 2012 1:51:31 PM

staurulinos said:
Sorry to bother you again but, my mother asked me to upgrade one pc because it is lagging a lot.So, i checked it and found out that the RAM is a 1024 MB, DDR2 and 667mhz.Also, its CPU is an 1,86 Ghz, Intel core 2
What should i do?I am looking for an inexpensive solution.(it is just an office computer that needs to run 1 program and 1 web browser and few other windows), it contains Windows XP 32bit (i am not too sure about the 32bits)
Thanks again.

XP really needs 2GB minimum RAM so I'd look at getting another 1GB stick or 2x1GB. i.e. http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=E...
a c 717 V Motherboard
June 26, 2012 2:10:24 PM

staurulinos said:
And could you help me choose a case that will house my new pc?
I am looking for one that costs UNDER 85 bucs , it must have good cable management, good airflow and a side window would be nice.
I have found :
COOLERMASTER RC 430 ELITE, http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

SHARKOON T5 VALUE (dont think that this case has a good airflow, i would like your opinion, however it has 1 port of USB 3.0), http://www.sharkoon.com/?q=en/content/t5-value

COOLERMASTER ELITE 334 NVIDIA EDITION (bit expensive over here), http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

I typically refrain from 'case recommendations' for the money I like the following:
$69 CM 690 II - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... ; Pros - airflow, cable management, top HDD, roomy/expansion ; Cons - USB 2.0 vs 3.0 Front Panel.
/RC-692A-KKN5 offer USB 3.0
$80 Corsair Carbide Series 300R - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... ; Pros - USB 3.0 (20-pin), airflow, management, roomy/expansion, one of the best for money ; Cons - should have included more fans especially 1 more front BUT others in its class do the same

---

Florida - we're fine & thanks for asking, a little soggy and the water behind our house is in our yard. We 'had' a drought -- flat to fluffy ;) 
June 26, 2012 3:19:51 PM

i searched for the CM 690 II and i only came up with the CoolerMaster CM 690 II Advanced wich costs 137 dollars
while the Corsair Carbide Series 300R costs 100 dollars
So, i dont think i will go with your choices
(i saw tornadoes on the news and heard that Florida is devastated)
June 26, 2012 3:20:22 PM

i searched for the CM 690 II and i only came up with the CoolerMaster CM 690 II Advanced wich costs 137 dollars
while the Corsair Carbide Series 300R costs 100 dollars
So, i dont think i will go with your choices
(i saw tornadoes on the news and heard that Florida is devastated)
a c 717 V Motherboard
June 26, 2012 3:26:30 PM

The Northern part of Florida took the biggest hit. I live in the 'Tampa area' and it's raining hard right now.

Pricing - where or whom are you purchasing the components? The links have been to NewEgg.com so far so I'm a tad confused?! The pricing is different Globally...
June 26, 2012 3:40:38 PM

i am buying the items from 2 different stores www.eshop.gr , www.plaisio.gr <--has not got many products.
if i don't find what i am looking for,then i google it.
Also, the MoBo ASUS P8Z77-V LE that i am probably gonna buy costs 169.90 €= 211 $
while newegg sells this MoBo for 159.99 $ (DOLLARS) = 128 €
Image that!
June 26, 2012 3:40:59 PM

i am buying the items from 2 different stores www.eshop.gr , www.plaisio.gr <--has not got many products.
if i don't find what i am looking for,then i google it.
Also, the MoBo ASUS P8Z77-V LE that i am probably gonna buy costs 169.90 €= 211 $
while newegg sells this MoBo for 159.99 $ (DOLLARS) = 128 €
Image that!
June 26, 2012 3:42:56 PM

something is happening(dont know what) and the reply is send 2 times, i am sorry for spamming you
June 26, 2012 4:38:25 PM

I believe that moving the pc parts from japan/USA is a bit pricey and the steal us a bit when it comes to computers.
Its sunny here if thats what you mean.
cases-----> http://www.e-shop.gr/PER_cases.phtml
motherboards----> http://www.e-shop.gr/PER_motherboards.phtml
RAMS---> http://www.e-shop.gr/PER_mem.phtml
PSU----> http://www.e-shop.gr/PER_psu.phtml
Greek might be difficult but remember that greek letters turned into Latin is the english alphabet (hope i said that right)
June 26, 2012 9:10:25 PM

I think i have concluded, and i will probably buy the Sharkoon T9 VALUE (3 fans included i think) i actually found it to be cheaper than the Sharkoon T5 VALUE (2 fans included i think) i was worried about the airflow but i don't think i will have to deal with any problems.I hope you have figured out that i haven't builted a pc by myself and i wanted to ask you whether 2 centimeters~0,79 inches of empty space on the back of the case are enough for cable management.
a c 717 V Motherboard
June 26, 2012 10:55:05 PM

I can use Google translation so it's not the language, the problem is using those sites and then converting the currency. I 'know' what's good (value) in USD, but since the prices don't match-up is takes 5X~10X the time.

Also, I'm not the best guy for budget PC's...so in this situation I can render an opinion if asked.
June 27, 2012 8:39:43 AM

You have done more than enough, I am gonna gather more opinions about the motherboard i should choose
June 27, 2012 9:07:21 PM

since i cant get any help from other people, do u think that the ASUS P8H67-M PRO REV3.0 is worth the money or should i buy another Motherboard?
I bought the Sapphire HD 6850 :) 
June 28, 2012 10:10:30 AM

i think i am gonna go with some of these :
ASUS P8Z77-M - 110 euros
P8Z77-M PRO - 135 euros
P8Z7-V LX -125 euros
P8Z77-V LE - 149 euros
(i am looking on a variety of websites..)
June 28, 2012 1:56:40 PM

Spoiler
i can even find the P8Z77-V LK in Greece the fourth one was a typo mistake, i meant :
P8Z77-V LE - 149 euros
June 28, 2012 1:56:44 PM

i can even find the P8Z77-V LK in Greece the fourth one was a typo mistake, i meant :
P8Z77-V LE - 149 euros
June 28, 2012 1:56:45 PM

Spoiler
i can even find the P8Z77-V LK in Greece the fourth one was a typo mistake, i meant :
P8Z77-V LE - 149 euros
a c 717 V Motherboard
June 28, 2012 2:06:18 PM

Hmm...that's a shame the P8Z77-V LK is a very good value especially for CF. Then the ASUS P8Z77-V LE because it also offers x16 and x8/x8. In the US the ASUS P8Z77-V LE is $40 more with essentially the same offerings as the P8Z77-V LK.

P8Z77-V LE - 149 euros
June 29, 2012 5:33:45 AM

I am concerned whether the P8Z77-V LE is worth the extra 25 euros ~ 31 dollars than buying the P8Z7-V LX
a c 717 V Motherboard
June 29, 2012 12:10:04 PM

Today no -- tomorrow probably.
July 5, 2012 9:42:45 AM

One more thing, i may want in the distant furure to upgrade my pc.
So, i may buy a used HD6850 and set up a crossfire, but i am worried that the PSU wont be able to supply me with the wattage my computer will need.I 've completed the corsair's power consumption calculator and it says to me that i will need a 750W psu.
(i dont believe that the eXtreme Power Supply Calculator is telling the truth since it says that 4 crossfired HD6850 min consume is 381W while in the site above, it says that 2 crossfired HD6850's consume around 393W)
the site mensioned: http://www.guru3d.com/article/radeon-hd-6850-6870-cross...

What do you think?
July 5, 2012 9:53:20 AM

Bear in mind that i have chosen :
Inel i5 3570K
Radeon HD 6850
2 DDR3 RAM sticks
3 fans with leds + 1 for the CPU Cooler withould any leds
1 DVD/CD-RW Combo

and i will have about 4 usb devices

I dont know whether you have a calculator you trust thats why i give you those details.
July 5, 2012 2:32:07 PM

i found Thermaltake Toughpower XT 775W for 108 euros
and OCZ Fatal1ty 750w for 99 euros
both were suggested from a website (dont remember exactly how it was called) and both are expensive
a c 717 V Motherboard
July 6, 2012 2:10:45 PM

Replies:
1. CF 6850 what you're looking at is the total power consumption and not the GPU's themselves which according to link you provided is "~ 245 Watts" and at best that's a good guess. To be on the safe side I'd look at a 650W PSU and sure bigger is fine.

2. OK

3. I don't like any of those PSU's. Get either Corsair or SeaSonic also Enermax is good. No, I won't say okay to others and that's on your shoulders.
July 6, 2012 9:52:00 PM

So, a 650W or better psu will handle 2 6850's
Thanks very much once more.
July 7, 2012 10:07:03 AM

i am gonna go with the corsair gs700
a c 717 V Motherboard
July 7, 2012 12:40:49 PM

Very good! :) 
July 7, 2012 10:54:58 PM

One last question, you mentioned that the P8Z77-V LK is a very good value especially for CF.But isnt the LE the same as good as the LK?
a c 717 V Motherboard
July 7, 2012 11:33:58 PM

No, the 'LE' is not an x8/x8 MOBO and is ideally suited for a single GPU. Using either CF or SLI you want the PCIe to be x8/x8 for optimum performance, and you want to use the PCIe slots that are optimized for the 'PCIe graphics' to the CPU.

P8Z77-V LK - http://www.asus.com/Motherboards/Intel_Socket_1155/P8Z7...
2 x PCIe 3.0/2.0 x16 (x16 or dual x8) *2
1 x PCIe 2.0 x16 (x4 mode, black)

P8Z77-V LE - http://www.asus.com/Motherboards/Intel_Socket_1155/P8Z7...
1 x PCIe 3.0/2.0 x16 (blue) *3
1 x PCIe 2.0 x16 (x4 mode, black) *4

July 8, 2012 10:38:48 AM

Well that sucks because the nearest shop that sells this motherboard is about 320 miles awayso. shipping is the only choice i've got and it will be difficult to return the product if i come across any problems.
I read that there are only 2~3% in FPS difference between 2x8 and 2x16 so if it is only that low i will probably buy the LE
a c 717 V Motherboard
July 8, 2012 12:21:00 PM

The LE is x16/x4 (none Graphics lanes) the LK is x8/x8 on the PCIe Graphics lanes.
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