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June 26, 2012 12:10:41 AM

CPU: 3770k
Motherboard: MOST LIKELY the EVGA Z77 FTW or Maximus V Formula/Extreme (if it's released soon).
What is the fastest RAM for this CPU/Motherboard combination? My budget is aprox $100/8GB RAM.

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June 26, 2012 12:14:43 AM

RAM speed is dictated by the motherboard, not the processor.

The EVGA takes 2133 RAM
Asus Maximus V Formula takes 2800 RAM
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June 26, 2012 12:21:17 AM

I wouldn't lose sleep over RAM clock rates since there is only a 2% difference between 1066 and 2133 in most real-world applications/games.
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June 26, 2012 12:36:13 AM

abekl said:
RAM speed is dictated by the motherboard, not the processor.

The EVGA takes 2133 RAM
Asus Maximus V Formula takes 2800 RAM

-Which board would you recommend?
-Can either board support dual x16 pci?

InvalidError said:
I wouldn't lose sleep over RAM clock rates since there is only a 2% difference between 1066 and 2133 in most real-world applications/games.

Can you recommend a good brand or model of RAM to get?
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June 26, 2012 12:44:34 AM

Iamazn said:
-Which board would you recommend?
Can you recommend a good brand or model of RAM to get?


Brand of RAM? Corsair always satisfies me. I really recommend it too.
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June 26, 2012 1:36:52 AM

Actually the memory controller is on the CPU not the board.

DDR3 1600 cas 9 seems to be the sweet spot or Sandy and Ivy Bridge processors. Make sure it's 1.5v RAM. Corsair Vengance and GSkill Ripjaws are both quite good. If you are using an aftermarket air cooler make sure you get the low profile Corsair Vengance so you don't have clearance issues. GSkill Ripjaws will fit as is.

This.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Or this.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
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June 26, 2012 2:39:35 AM

anort3 said:
Actually the memory controller is on the CPU not the board.

DDR3 1600 cas 9 seems to be the sweet spot or Sandy and Ivy Bridge processors. Make sure it's 1.5v RAM. Corsair Vengance and GSkill Ripjaws are both quite good. If you are using an aftermarket air cooler make sure you get the low profile Corsair Vengance so you don't have clearance issues. GSkill Ripjaws will fit as is.

This.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Or this.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

-Which one would you personally get? Why?
-Any difference between 1.5v RAM vs 1.65v RAM?
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June 26, 2012 2:51:47 AM

1.65v RAM can be dangerous to run with a Sandy Bridge or Ivy Bridge chip since the memory controller is on the CPU. Going over 1.5v actually voids the CPU warranty.

Personally I have GSkill Ripjaws but both the GSkill and the Corsair have lifetime warranties. Really both are equal in my opinion. I would go with the one you think looks better.
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June 26, 2012 6:54:01 AM

anort3 said:
1.65v RAM can be dangerous to run with a Sandy Bridge or Ivy Bridge chip since the memory controller is on the CPU. Going over 1.5v actually voids the CPU warranty.

Personally I have GSkill Ripjaws but both the GSkill and the Corsair have lifetime warranties. Really both are equal in my opinion. I would go with the one you think looks better.

I'd like to be able to eventually upgrade to 32GB RAM. Are any of the following good buys?
http://www.amazon.com/Corsair-Vengeance-Performance-Mod... (Timing 10 instead of 9?)

http://www.amazon.com/G-SKILL-Ripjaws-240-Pin-Desktop-F... (Timing 10 instead of 9?, would heat spreaders be a problem?)

http://www.amazon.com/G-SKILL-Ripjaws-240-Pin-Desktop-F... (1333 instead of 1600?, would heat spreaders be a problem?)

http://www.amazon.com/G-SKILL-Ripjaws-240-Pin-Desktop-F... (Would heat spreaders be a problem?)

My CPU cooler will most likely end up being the Noctua NH-D14.
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June 26, 2012 8:32:52 AM

I would get 1600 over 1333. There is a small but noticeable difference. Going over 1600 yields much less of a gain.

Any of those will fit with a DH 14.

Personally I would not pay $20 more for cas 9 over cas 10. The cas 9 will be about 1% faster though.
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June 26, 2012 9:06:17 AM

Iamazn said:
I'd like to be able to eventually upgrade to 32GB RAM. Are any of the following good buys?
http://www.amazon.com/Corsair-Vengeance-Performance-Mod... (Timing 10 instead of 9?)

http://www.amazon.com/G-SKILL-Ripjaws-240-Pin-Desktop-F... (Timing 10 instead of 9?, would heat spreaders be a problem?)

http://www.amazon.com/G-SKILL-Ripjaws-240-Pin-Desktop-F... (1333 instead of 1600?, would heat spreaders be a problem?)

http://www.amazon.com/G-SKILL-Ripjaws-240-Pin-Desktop-F... (Would heat spreaders be a problem?)

My CPU cooler will most likely end up being the Noctua NH-D14.

What u going to use that RAM for? Video? Or ....
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June 26, 2012 10:22:18 PM

anort3 said:
I would get 1600 over 1333. There is a small but noticeable difference. Going over 1600 yields much less of a gain.

Any of those will fit with a DH 14.

Personally I would not pay $20 more for cas 9 over cas 10. The cas 9 will be about 1% faster though.

1600mhz CAS9 vs 1866mhz CAS10: Which would be better?

nikorr said:
What u going to use that RAM for? Video? Or ....

Gaming, Video Editing, RAM Disk, etc.

-If I go with 1866mhz, would this be a good choice? Are there any better alternatives within the same price range? Would this fit if I were to use a 3rd party CPU cooler? (ex: Noctua DH 14)
-If I go with 1600mhz, would this or this be the better choice? Are there any better alternatives within the same price range?
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June 26, 2012 10:31:11 PM

Since u have 3770K, get 1866MHz.

Is better for the RAM disk.

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June 26, 2012 10:31:40 PM

I would suggest CORSAIR H100 (CWCH100) Extreme Performance Liquid CPU Cooler

HardOCP.com Editor’s Choice

was: $114.99 -> $109.99 -->$94.99 after mail-in rebate card + FREE SHIPPING

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...


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June 26, 2012 10:43:18 PM

I would suggest 16GB when u are usig the RAM disc.

And for the RAM ...

G.SKILL Sniper Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1866 (PC3 14900) Desktop Memory Model F3-14900CL9D-8GBSR

$59.99

FREE SHIPPING
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
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June 26, 2012 10:49:39 PM

nikorr said:
I would suggest 16GB when u are usig the RAM disc.

And for the RAM ...

G.SKILL Sniper Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1866 (PC3 14900) Desktop Memory Model F3-14900CL9D-8GBSR

$59.99

FREE SHIPPING
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
http://images17.newegg.com/is/image/newegg/20-231-460-TS?$S300W$

This will be my choice if I decide to do 16GB total. Is there 2x8GB equivalent to the G Skill Sniper (1866mhz, CL9)?
I read somewhere that if you use all 4 RAM slots on the motherboard, the speed is limited to 1600mhz. Is this true?


nikorr said:
I would suggest CORSAIR H100 (CWCH100) Extreme Performance Liquid CPU Cooler

HardOCP.com Editor’s Choice

was: $114.99 -> $109.99 -->$94.99 after mail-in rebate card + FREE SHIPPING

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

http://www.overclock3d.net/gfx/articles/2011/08/11124245665l.png

I plan on doing Air cooling only because I am paranoid that a water cooler will eventually leak. :/ 
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June 26, 2012 10:55:24 PM

If it leaks, it is not going to damage anything electrical.

And it would only drip.

Using nonconductive fluid ->> Leak/burst will cause the temperatures to rise extremely fast and the system will simply shut off to prevent destroying the components.
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June 27, 2012 6:19:56 AM

I would go with G.SKILL Ares Series 16GB.

The WEI is poor indicator of any performance : )

It could hit it though.
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June 27, 2012 6:59:02 AM

nikorr said:
I would go with G.SKILL Ares Series 16GB.

The WEI is poor indicator of any performance : )

It could hit it though.

This thread says that the ARES is just a rebranded Ripjaw X with lower profile heat spreaders. If this is true and assuming that both RAM models will fit under the CPU cooler, would the Ripjaws give better performance (as they have heat spreaders)? Or do heat spreaders not really do anything?

As for the WEI, I know it's pretty much useless. I just like seeing maxed out numbers. :D 
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June 27, 2012 7:03:26 AM

Iamazn said:
This thread says that the ARES is just a rebranded Ripjaw X with lower profile heat spreaders. If this is true and assuming that both RAM models will fit under the CPU cooler, would the Ripjaws give better performance (as they have heat spreaders)? Or do heat spreaders not really do anything?


Read Jaquith's replies to that thread.
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June 27, 2012 7:03:41 AM

Like this?

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June 27, 2012 7:05:06 AM

Well, u can either spend more money on key component, or use a photoshop : )
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June 27, 2012 2:05:51 PM

DJDeCiBeL said:
Read Jaquith's replies to that thread.

He says that the Ares is dangerous to IB/SB CPUs... Does this mean I should get the Ripjaws?
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June 27, 2012 2:19:03 PM

Iamazn said:
He says that the Ares is dangerous to IB/SB CPUs... Does this mean I should get the Ripjaws?


Yeah, I would. I trust Jaquith on that one.
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June 27, 2012 3:54:56 PM


^Unless that's Windows 8, Windows 7 there's no way to get a WEI of 7.9 - http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/331679-28-processor-s...

There's very few legitimate reasons for RAM >DDR3-1600 on either the SB or IB, about the only one that comes to mind is a RAM Disk...

As far as 1.50v vs 1.60v vs 1.65v -- the problem isn't the DRAM Voltage it's the CPU's IMC Voltage (VCCIO/VCCSA) >1.20v. The older 1.65v RAM required those voltages >1.20v to remain stable, but the newer RAM with improved IC's can run >DDR3-2400~DDR3-2600 with a VCCIO/VCCSA of 1.20v and every kit I've seen is 1.60v~1.65v which are fine on the SB or IB.
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June 27, 2012 4:21:45 PM

jaquith said:
^Unless that's Windows 8, Windows 7 there's no way to get a WEI of 7.9 - http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/331679-28-processor-s...

There's very few legitimate reasons for RAM >DDR3-1600 on either the SB or IB, about the only one that comes to mind is a RAM Disk...

As far as 1.50v vs 1.60v vs 1.65v -- the problem isn't the DRAM Voltage it's the CPU's IMC Voltage (VCCIO/VCCSA) >1.20v. The older 1.65v RAM required those voltages >1.20v to remain stable, but the newer RAM with improved IC's can run >DDR3-2400~DDR3-2600 with a VCCIO/VCCSA of 1.20v and every kit I've seen is 1.60v~1.65v which are fine on the SB or IB.

So should I get the Ripjaw X kit if I'm looking for 1866mhz CL10 2x8gb?
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June 27, 2012 5:06:56 PM

Things to discuss:
NH-D14
ARES
Gaming, Video Editing, RAM Disk, etc
upgrade to 32GB RAM

NH-D14 - It's a PITA HSF especially to maintain (cleaning & dust magnet), I would recommend the Corsair H100 or H80. The H100 requires a case that supports 120x240mm.

ARES - What you said isn't true the Ares uses a cheap (bad) IC's that requires excessive VCCIO/VCCSA Voltage (1.25v) don't exceed 1.20v.

Gaming, Video Editing, RAM Disk, etc - Gaming - little to no benefit >DDR3-1600. Video - some benefits. RAM Disk - only use RamDisk 11 - http://www.superspeed.com/desktop/ramdisk.php/ Pros faster yields faster R/W ; Cons faster yields greater instability.

upgrade to 32GB RAM - The problems have been that (2) two kits of 2x8GB once combined yields greater instability; solution get a 32GB Matched Kit from the get go and day one.

My Picks for 4x8GB:
/Low Profile:
$215 Mushkin Enhanced Blackline 32GB (4 x 8GB) DDR3 1600(10-10-10-27 @ 1.50v) Model 994055 - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
$250 G.SKILL Ripjaws X Series 32GB (4 x 8GB) (9-9-9-{27} @ 1.50v) Memory Model F3-1600C9Q-32GXM - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
/High Profile:
$ 250 CORSAIR DOMINATOR 32GB (4 x 8GB) DDR3 1600 (10-10-10-27 @ 1.50v) Model CMP32GX3M4X1600C10 - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
$220 CORSAIR Vengeance 32GB (4 x 8GB) DDR3 1600 (10-10-10-27 @ 1.50v) Model CMZ32GX3M4X1600C10 - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
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June 27, 2012 7:42:25 PM

jaquith said:
Things to discuss:
NH-D14
ARES
Gaming, Video Editing, RAM Disk, etc
upgrade to 32GB RAM

NH-D14 - It's a PITA HSF especially to maintain (cleaning & dust magnet), I would recommend the Corsair H100 or H80. The H100 requires a case that supports 120x240mm.

ARES - What you said isn't true the Ares uses a cheap (bad) IC's that requires excessive VCCIO/VCCSA Voltage (1.25v) don't exceed 1.20v.

Gaming, Video Editing, RAM Disk, etc - Gaming - little to no benefit >DDR3-1600. Video - some benefits. RAM Disk - only use RamDisk 11 - http://www.superspeed.com/desktop/ramdisk.php/ Pros faster yields faster R/W ; Cons faster yields greater instability.

upgrade to 32GB RAM - The problems have been that (2) two kits of 2x8GB once combined yields greater instability; solution get a 32GB Matched Kit from the get go and day one.

My Picks for 4x8GB:
/Low Profile:
$215 Mushkin Enhanced Blackline 32GB (4 x 8GB) DDR3 1600(10-10-10-27 @ 1.50v) Model 994055 - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
$250 G.SKILL Ripjaws X Series 32GB (4 x 8GB) (9-9-9-{27} @ 1.50v) Memory Model F3-1600C9Q-32GXM - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
/High Profile:
$ 250 CORSAIR DOMINATOR 32GB (4 x 8GB) DDR3 1600 (10-10-10-27 @ 1.50v) Model CMP32GX3M4X1600C10 - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
$220 CORSAIR Vengeance 32GB (4 x 8GB) DDR3 1600 (10-10-10-27 @ 1.50v) Model CMZ32GX3M4X1600C10 - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

NH-D14: Currently debating whether or not to go with water cooling. Does the H100 use water (h20) or a liquid compound?
ARES: Can you reword your statement? I can't really understand.
RAM: 1866mhz vs 1600mhz: Any benefits to things other than gaming? i.e. multitasking
32GB RAM: So if I were to buy 16GB today and another 16GB (2x8gb) a month or two later, it would be instable? Can you explain why this happens?
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June 27, 2012 9:21:13 PM

No the H100 is completely sealed and doesn't use 'water/H2O' instead it's a anti-corrosive coolant that you NEVER need to maintain in any way.

Ares - "What you said isn't true{,} the Ares uses a cheap (bad) IC's that requires excessive VCCIO/VCCSA Voltage (1.25v) don't exceed 1.20v. * They're bad don't use them, is that clear.

1866 vs 1600 - Gaming +0.5~1.0FPS gains. Multi-tasking - like what? If you mean some useless benchmark then sure, if you mean real world then no, not much. Example a long 3-4 Hour render (e.g. video, databases) maybe 2~4 minutes. The problem is 'faster' RAM increases the risk of errors and BSOD's that can mean 3-4 hours LOST.

8GB/stick - The problem is the Density and the 'mixing' of (2) kits is exponentially higher. In part it's the XMP settings which are more in depth than 9-9-9-24 (CAS-TRCD-TRP-TRAS). Folks look for the fastest 2x_GB kit they can find then soon as they mix 2x_GB kit + 2x_GB kit they ASS-U-ME that they'll work as Rated in 2x_GB kit as they do in 4x_GB kit - WRONG! The 8GB/stick consumer RAM has a thin line between performance and stability -- so I take the IMO better judgement approach and recommend RAM that I know works. For someone like myself I know how to adjust the voltages: CPUVTT, VCCSA, PLL, and DRAM Voltages and if needed the CAS Timings not to mention DRAM Phase control, etc.

Of the 8GB/stick listed above the Corsair Dominator's have the best IC's and 'can' exceed their Rated values (hand picked IC's).
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June 28, 2012 12:22:31 AM

Sorry if I repeat any questions, this is just a lot of information to process, and I don't want to miss anything and end up buying the wrong thing.
-I will stick with the stock Intel cooler before I make my final decision on air or water cooling. Will it be easy to replace the stock cooler with the H100 or an air heatsink?
-Assume I get a H100. If it leaks and damages other parts, will Corsair replace any of them? If yes, how long would this be covered?
-Two kits of the same memory would cause instability?
-If I do end up getting a 2x8GB kit, would this be the best choice? (Corsair Dominator's may be too big + out of stock on amazon).
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June 28, 2012 12:44:56 AM

It's easier to install an H100 than the NH-D14, 4 standoffs and screws then mount the fans and radiator -- to me it's dirt simple.

No, if for some reason the H100 leaks it won't cover secondary damage just like the NH-D14 Mfg won't replace you MOBO if causes micro cracks due to it's weight. IMO any of the leak reports are due to folks purposefully damaging their H100. In my office we have a dozen H50's, a few H100's and my personal rig uses an H100 - all are fine and very simple to clean -- at worst unscrew the fan and a suck of a vacuum and you're done; unlike a HSF where 9/10 you need (time wise) to pull the entire unit to properly clean.

Yep, (2) kits of the same memory can cause issues - as Density and/or Frequency goes up or CAS goes down so does the incidents of possible failures and errors. Manual adjustments and/or overvolting are the typical cure.

For +75 more get the $215 Mushkin Enhanced Blackline 32GB (4 x 8GB) DDR3 1600(10-10-10-27 @ 1.50v) Model 994055.
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June 28, 2012 1:08:39 AM

jaquith said:
It's easier to install an H100 than the NH-D14, 4 standoffs and screws then mount the fans and radiator -- to me it's dirt simple.

No, if for some reason the H100 leaks it won't cover secondary damage just like the NH-D14 Mfg won't replace you MOBO if causes micro cracks due to it's weight. IMO any of the leak reports are due to folks purposefully damaging their H100. In my office we have a dozen H50's, a few H100's and my personal rig uses an H100 - all are fine and very simple to clean -- at worst unscrew the fan and a suck of a vacuum and you're done; unlike a HSF where 9/10 you need (time wise) to pull the entire unit to properly clean.

Yep, (2) kits of the same memory can cause issues - as Density and/or Frequency goes up or CAS goes down so does the incidents of possible failures and errors. Manual adjustments and/or overvolting are the typical cure.

For +75 more get the $215 Mushkin Enhanced Blackline 32GB (4 x 8GB) DDR3 1600(10-10-10-27 @ 1.50v) Model 994055.

-What happens if the H100 would leak? Wouldn't all my parts be destroyed?
-If they're the same make and model, how would there be a difference in density/frequency/CAS?
-The reason why I'm buying the 2x8GB rather than 4x8GB is because at the moment, I don't have enough money to buy all 32GBs.
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June 28, 2012 3:51:32 AM

What happens if a plane crashes on your house and crushes your PC. If you get or don't get the H100 it makes zip difference to me. I've never run across a confirmed case of one leaking (though I've seen folks with an agenda claim it did -- there's crazy folks in the world), and some coolants are Low-Conductivity and will do little to nothing. Frankly, I am 1000x more worried about a failing PSU taking-out an entire system - I see that happen every few days.

The Density isn't the change, I clearly said as the density increases meaning 8GB/stick are more 'touchy' than a 1GB or 2GB or 4GB stick. It's placing two kits that are OPTIMIZED (RATED) to work as a SINGLE KIT; the example is to look at a QVL where you'll see kits that aren't compatible in 4x (2 kits) but are compatible in 2x (1 kit).

Money - then just know there's a high risk that the 2 kits together might not work as rated and even if they seem they do -- Memtest them extensively. Penny wise dollar foolish.

F3-14900CL10D-16GBXL:
2x8GB DDR3-1866 10-11-10-30 @ 1.50v ; Rated (1) kit
2x8GB DDR3-1866 10-11-10-30 @ 1.50v
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2x8GB DDR3-1866 11-11-11-30 @ 1.60v + CPUVTT & VCCSA -> 1.20v + PLL Voltage -> +0.10v ; mixed**
<or>
2x8GB DDR3-1600 10-10-10-{27~30} @ 1.60v + CPUVTT & VCCSA -> 1.20v + PLL Voltage -> +0.10v ; mixed**

** Together might not work as Rated, and overvolting and/or raising the CAS and/or frequency (slow) might be required for the 'mix' to be stable ; here's someone with that issue - http://gskill.us/forum/showthread.php?t=10677 ; my guess is the OP RMA'ed the kits...
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June 28, 2012 4:44:28 AM

Wouldn't get the H100 if you were me.
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June 28, 2012 6:34:36 AM

amuffin said:
Wouldn't get the H100 if you were me.

Just out of dumb curiosity -- why not?

/edit - your Hackintosh lists:
i5-2500k 4.5ghz/1.23V
Gigabyte z68x-ud3h
16gb Corsair Xms3
Corsair H80
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June 28, 2012 2:37:16 PM

jaquith said:
Just out of dumb curiosity -- why not?

/edit - your Hackintosh lists:
Corsair H80

Maybe because he bought the H80, ended up concluding that it was not worth it and has decided not to recommend it based on his personal experience.

Unless I was space-constrained around the CPU socket, I would pick the NH-D14 over the H100 not only because the Noctua is ~$30 cheaper but also because a heap or metal still retains reasonable heat dissipation capability even after fan failure whereas liquid cooling becomes ineffective if it loses coolant, fan or pump.
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August 12, 2012 10:00:21 PM

jaquith, you're one bad dude. you make a valid point, then link said valid point. props from an IT vet.
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