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July 8, 2011 1:57:25 AM

irishred wrote :

Hello,
I waited as long as I could for Bulldozer. My old computer is puttering now. I did do a I5-2500k build today. Please tell me if this is good and give me advice on how I can improve or save more money. Left out ram, wasn't sure which to pick. Thanks!
Approximate Purchase Date: (e.g.: this week (the closer the better)

Budget Range: (800-1000 Before Rebates

System Usage from Most to Least Important: (video editing, gaming, surfing the internet, watching movies)

Parts Not Required: ( keyboard, mouse, monitor, speakers, 128 sata 11 SSD,OS-Windows 7 Ultimate)

Preferred Website(s) for Parts: newegg.com, tiger direct, amazon, anywhere else that has decent prices.

Country of Origin: (U.S) Don't live near Micro Center damn it.

Parts Preferences: by brand or type (Sandybridge, half tower)

Overclocking: Yes

SLI or Crossfire: Maybe

Monitor Resolution: ( 1920x1080)

Antec Nine Hundred Two V3 Black Steel ATX Mid Tower Gaming Case
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XFX HD-695X-CDDC Radeon HD 6950 2GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.1 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFireX Support Video Card with Eyefinity
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Intel Core i5-2500K Sandy Bridge 3.3GHz (3.7GHz Turbo Boost) LGA 1155 95W Quad-Core Desktop Processor BX80623I52500K
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I didn't include the $60 in rebates because sometimes they're not worth squat.
July 8, 2011 3:48:04 AM

If you personally feel that 16gb is important or beneficial, jump on this Newegg offer.

16gb (4x4gb) G.Skill Ripjaws 1333MHz 9-9-9-24 for only $99!
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Otherwise, 8gb is getting extremely cheap. I just bought 8gb of 1333MHz for $55 the other day from Newegg. 4gb might not be enough if your primary use for this is video editing.
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July 8, 2011 4:05:54 AM

Is it true that speed of the ram play more important like 8gb 1866mhz or 1600 for editing? I'm going to keep my computer as Sandy Bridge. Hopefully with this build, it will last me for a few year with minor upgrades. Is the build I picked out have compatible components and is it a good build?
July 8, 2011 4:29:15 AM

I wouldn't buy that MoBo, it's open box...you don't know why the person before returned it. Otherwise, to future proof your system, go for 8GB and the clock rate isn't the most important. And 8GB IS OVERKILL!!!!!!!!! Unless you're running a server, then get more. And can I still convince you to go the AMD route?
July 8, 2011 4:48:11 AM

This will be my first DIY and I just rather not exchange any thing major like cpu and then find other things I might have to as well.
July 8, 2011 5:36:34 AM

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July 8, 2011 7:01:54 AM

r0aringdrag0n said:
I wouldn't buy that MoBo, it's open box...you don't know why the person before returned it. Otherwise, to future proof your system, go for 8GB and the clock rate isn't the most important. And 8GB IS OVERKILL!!!!!!!!! Unless you're running a server, then get more. And can I still convince you to go the AMD route?



Your trying to convince him to go AMD? AMD loses every time in benchmarks.... Now bulldozer may change that but its not out yet.
July 8, 2011 7:13:50 AM

Randomacts said:
Your trying to convince him to go AMD? AMD loses every time in benchmarks.... Now bulldozer may change that but its not out yet.

AMD's would make a decent paperweight if they came down in price.
July 8, 2011 8:55:24 AM

Why_Me said:
AMD's would make a decent paperweight if they came down in price.



Well BD has intergraded AMD graphics right? That will prob be good for HTC or w/e they are called.
July 8, 2011 10:00:00 AM

Randomacts said:
Your trying to convince him to go AMD? AMD loses every time in benchmarks.... Now bulldozer may change that but its not out yet.


Quote:
Hello,
I waited as long as I could for Bulldozer. My old computer is puttering now.

He obviously was wanting to put together a BD build originally but his current system is starting to die. By going with the AM3+ boards and a moderately priced CPU now, later when BD comes out he could upgrade. AM3+ will be around for awhile so chances are he'll be able to further upgrade in a year or two if he desires. Also the current Intel SB platform is a dead end, Intel is holding onto LGA2011 and planning on releasing it around the same time as AMD release's Bull Dozer, they want BD to be benchmarked against a LGA2011 platform not the current SB one. Any SB platform build now will be incompatible with what comes out next year and he'll be required to build a new box again. Haven't you guys figured out Intel's game yet? They continuously modify their sockets so as to force people to build new whenever they want to upgrade. Building anything Intel ~now~ would be a losers game in the long run.
July 8, 2011 2:11:40 PM

palladin9479 said:
Quote:
Hello,
I waited as long as I could for Bulldozer. My old computer is puttering now.

He obviously was wanting to put together a BD build originally but his current system is starting to die. By going with the AM3+ boards and a moderately priced CPU now, later when BD comes out he could upgrade. AM3+ will be around for awhile so chances are he'll be able to further upgrade in a year or two if he desires. Also the current Intel SB platform is a dead end, Intel is holding onto LGA2011 and planning on releasing it around the same time as AMD release's Bull Dozer, they want BD to be benchmarked against a LGA2011 platform not the current SB one. Any SB platform build now will be incompatible with what comes out next year and he'll be required to build a new box again. Haven't you guys figured out Intel's game yet? They continuously modify their sockets so as to force people to build new whenever they want to upgrade. Building anything Intel ~now~ would be a losers game in the long run.

On the flip side of that nobody knows for sure weather these 1155 boards will be able to run the newer Intel chips (22nm) with a bios flash...but rumor has it that they will. Having to change sockets (boards) to upgrade sucks...but look at it like this. The 1156 and 1336 Intel chip sets mop the floor with anything AMD, and those came out how long ago? AMD has been sucking wind ever since the release of the C2D back in 2006. I would rather have a 4 year old build that was still flying high then a newer AMD build that sucked balls. So what we have is... 775, 1336, 1156, and now the 1155 sockets all kicking arse. No chip has broken the 5.0Ghz mark as often as these SB cpu's.

When AMD puts out anything that's worth a crap I'l go back to them, but until then I'm not going to hold my breath. Most of the builds on this board are gaming builds...in fact I would guess 80% of them or more are, and gamers like FPS, and they like something that's going to o/c to the moon and back. These SB's do that.
July 8, 2011 2:44:56 PM

Why_Me said:
On the flip side of that nobody knows for sure weather these 1155 boards will be able to run the newer Intel chips (22nm) with a bios flash...but rumor has it that they will. Having to change sockets (boards) to upgrade sucks...but look at it like this. The 1156 and 1336 Intel chip sets mop the floor with anything AMD, and those came out how long ago? AMD has been sucking wind ever since the release of the C2D back in 2006. I would rather have a 4 year old build that was still flying high then a newer AMD build that sucked balls. So what we have is... 775, 1336, 1156, and now the 1155 sockets all kicking arse. No chip has broken the 5.0Ghz mark as often as these SB cpu's.

When AMD puts out anything that's worth a crap I'l go back to them, but until then I'm not going to hold my breath. Most of the builds on this board are gaming builds...in fact I would guess 80% of them or more are, and gamers like FPS, and they like something that's going to o/c to the moon and back. These SB's do that.


On Intel fanboy I see, nothing can be said in this argument further. And no I'm not an AMD fan, I'm actually a SUN fan but windows doesn't exactly work on SPARC.

I can tell you with complete and utter certainty, next year when Intel releases a new "flagship" CPU line it will only run on LGA2011. Releasing it on 1156/1336 would be not be in their best interest, they ~want~ you to buy a new mobo, its good for business. Anything built "Intel" right now will require a new kit next year.
July 8, 2011 3:07:04 PM

Why_Me said:
On the flip side of that nobody knows for sure weather these 1155 boards will be able to run the newer Intel chips (22nm) with a bios flash...but rumor has it that they will. Having to change sockets (boards) to upgrade sucks...but look at it like this. The 1156 and 1336 Intel chip sets mop the floor with anything AMD, and those came out how long ago? AMD has been sucking wind ever since the release of the C2D back in 2006. I would rather have a 4 year old build that was still flying high then a newer AMD build that sucked balls. So what we have is... 775, 1336, 1156, and now the 1155 sockets all kicking arse. No chip has broken the 5.0Ghz mark as often as these SB cpu's.

When AMD puts out anything that's worth a crap I'l go back to them, but until then I'm not going to hold my breath. Most of the builds on this board are gaming builds...in fact I would guess 80% of them or more are, and gamers like FPS, and they like something that's going to o/c to the moon and back. These SB's do that.


I rather have an AMD system that is $500 that will do perfectly well in gaming (games don't use that many cores) than a $1000 Intel system that is overkill
July 8, 2011 3:48:23 PM

r0aringdrag0n said:
I rather have an AMD system that is $500 that will do perfectly well in gaming (games don't use that many cores) than a $1000 Intel system that is overkill

I'm going to guess you play flash games eh. I'm a gamer myself (FPS ftw) who likes to play newer games and I would rot in h*ll before I used a $500 build just so I could get bottle necked by my cpu.

It's like this...if your a race car driver who wants a chance at winning...are you going to drive a fast car that has a chance of winning races or a mini van?

Ferrari vs mini van....

AMD is ok for peeps who have a budget of $500 or less otherwise they suck b@lls. The benchmarks don't lie. You go to any site...Toms, Anandtech, Hardware Canucks, Guru3d, etc...and the benchmarks all say the same thing for the last 5+ years...that AMD is not the way to go if you game. Again...I like to game, and I don't like bottlenecks. Gaming is all about Frames Per Second....if anyone tells you different they are lying out their arse or their idiots.
July 8, 2011 3:53:22 PM

palladin9479 said:
On Intel fanboy I see, nothing can be said in this argument further. And no I'm not an AMD fan, I'm actually a SUN fan but windows doesn't exactly work on SPARC.

I can tell you with complete and utter certainty, next year when Intel releases a new "flagship" CPU line it will only run on LGA2011. Releasing it on 1156/1336 would be not be in their best interest, they ~want~ you to buy a new mobo, its good for business. Anything built "Intel" right now will require a new kit next year.

I used to have strictly AMD builds prior to 2006. I go with what's best atm. Nobody is forcing anyone to upgrade...which is no big deal seeing how someone can have a 1156 and/or a 1336 build and still mop the floor with anything AMD atm.
July 8, 2011 6:46:44 PM

Why_Me said:
I'm going to guess you play flash games eh. I'm a gamer myself (FPS ftw) who likes to play newer games and I would rot in h*ll before I used a $500 build just so I could get bottle necked by my cpu.

It's like this...if your a race car driver who wants a chance at winning...are you going to drive a fast car that has a chance of winning races or a mini van?

Ferrari vs mini van....

AMD is ok for peeps who have a budget of $500 or less otherwise they suck b@lls. The benchmarks don't lie. You go to any site...Toms, Anandtech, Hardware Canucks, Guru3d, etc...and the benchmarks all say the same thing for the last 5+ years...that AMD is not the way to go if you game. Again...I like to game, and I don't like bottlenecks. Gaming is all about Frames Per Second....if anyone tells you different they are lying out their arse or their idiots.


TBH, I have a core i5 2500k...I'm just trying to help ppl who are on a budget
July 8, 2011 6:56:48 PM

r0aringdrag0n said:
TBH, I have a core i5 2500k...I'm just trying to help ppl who are on a budget

The OP has a budget of $1,000 USD. To recommend anything other than a SB for a gaming build would be crazy imo.
July 8, 2011 7:02:17 PM

you're correct, from $750+ I would normally recommend Intel, less and I recommend AMD
July 8, 2011 7:34:03 PM

Why_Me said:
I go with what's best atm. Nobody is forcing anyone to upgrade...which is no big deal seeing how someone can have a 1156 and/or a 1336 build and still mop the floor with anything AMD atm.


Your real feelings are leaking out. You keep flinging insults when in actuality, on a price basis the SB's are slightly ahead and in no way "mop the floor with" the competition. For gaming its the GPU that'll give him the largest benefit, the CPU used is almost entirely moot. And again, any Intel board he buy's now will stick him next year when Intel relegates 1156/1336 to the "value" segment and push's 2011 as the performance segment. At least an AM3+ platform he is guaranteed to be able to drop in whatever is out next year, it won't be wasted money.

In all honestly now is a horrible time to upgrade / build for anyone. AMD pushed BD back, not surprisingly Intel pushed back 2011 for some "strange" reason. The industry is in a holding pattern while we wait for the two big manufactures to do whatever it is their going to do. If I had to choose one path I'd go with the one I know I can upgrade later. After LGA2011 comes out, then I would suggest new builds look into going with Intel.
July 8, 2011 7:52:15 PM

palladin9479 said:
Your real feelings are leaking out. You keep flinging insults when in actuality, on a price basis the SB's are slightly ahead and in no way "mop the floor with" the competition. For gaming its the GPU that'll give him the largest benefit, the CPU used is almost entirely moot. And again, any Intel board he buy's now will stick him next year when Intel relegates 1156/1336 to the "value" segment and push's 2011 as the performance segment. At least an AM3+ platform he is guaranteed to be able to drop in whatever is out next year, it won't be wasted money.

In all honestly now is a horrible time to upgrade / build for anyone. AMD pushed BD back, not surprisingly Intel pushed back 2011 for some "strange" reason. The industry is in a holding pattern while we wait for the two big manufactures to do whatever it is their going to do. If I had to choose one path I'd go with the one I know I can upgrade later. After LGA2011 comes out, then I would suggest new builds look into going with Intel.

wtf???

GPU is the largest benefit, and the cpu surely helps. Unless I had a complete lobotomy or was born retarded your going to tell me the cpu doesn't mean jack? You have internet? Do you have GOOGLE SEARCH?

And now is not the time to upgrade? LOL ?

Iv'e heard this "upgrade crap" for the last five years from peeps with a hard on for AMD...wait another 5 years...whatever. Again I'm a gamer, and I like what's best out there for gaming. So that rules out any crap AMD build. Now if I was broke, and on welfare or from a third world country where they only sold AMD cpu's...then ya, AMD would be the thing for me. But seeing how I am not broke, and am not living in a third world country like Sudan for example...then ya, until I get a lobotomy I do believe I will stick with the Intel builds seeing how I have yet to get my brains sucked out by a shop vac recently.

But hey...you post those benchmarks on the BD. I would love to see them. Until then it's only p*ssing in the wind and crossing fingers. I hope BD is a hit myself, and not a complete bust like everything AMD has put out in the last 5 years.

And yes, SB does mop the floor with AMD. It's not even close. Now if you have benchmarks that show otherwise then you will be the first on here to actually post them. They haven't been posted yet and for good reason...they don't exist. AMD is the equivalent to a Dodge mini van with bad tires and in need of a tune up.

I will take the Ferrari thank you. :) 

btw I apologize if this post came off as harsh...but Iv'e been dealing with the so called "upgrade path to nowhere" on this site for years now. Upgrade to what I say?
July 8, 2011 8:01:59 PM

Why_Me said:
wtf???

GPU is the largest benefit, and the cpu surely helps. Unless I had a complete lobotomy or was born retarded your going to tell me the cpu doesn't mean jack? You have internet? Do you have GOOGLE SEARCH?

And now is not the time to upgrade? LOL ?

Iv'e heard this "upgrade crap" for the last five years from peeps with a hard on for AMD...wait another 5 years...whatever. Again I'm a gamer, and I like what's best out there for gaming. So that rules out any crap AMD build. Now if I was broke, and on welfare or from a third world country where they only sold AMD cpu's...then ya, AMD would be the thing for me. But seeing how I am not broke, and am not living in a third world country like Sudan for example...then ya, until I get a lobotomy I do believe I will stick with the Intel builds seeing how I have yet to get my brains sucked out by a shop vac recently.

But hey...you post those benchmarks on the BD. I would love to see them. Until then it's only p*ssing in the wind and crossing fingers. I hope BD is a hit myself, and not a complete bust like everything AMD has put out in the last 5 years.

And yes, SB does mop the floor with AMD. It's not even close. Now if you have benchmarks that show otherwise then you will be the first on here to actually post them. They haven't been posted yet and for good reason...they don't exist. AMD is the equivalent to a Dodge mini van with bad tires and in need of a tune up.

I will take the Ferrari thank you. :) 

btw I apologize if this post came off as harsh...but Iv'e been dealing with the so called "upgrade path to nowhere" on this site for years now. Upgrade to what I say?


You mad bro?
July 8, 2011 8:20:28 PM

Yeah he's Intel flamebait now. When we're talking 10% on synthetic benchmarks being toted as "mop the floor with" that's the textbook definition of hyperbole.

And yes the CPU has little actual impact unless you really screw the graphics settings down, then its 120fps vs 90fps. They've proven it several times on this site, a cheap cpu + expensive graphics card crush's the expensive CPU + moderate graphics card.

In the OP's situation, either AMD or Intel will produce the same results / experience in this game. Unless he's the type who likes to put their system specs in their sig and brag about how they got 3 more fps then someone else.
July 8, 2011 8:28:15 PM

I certainly did not mean to cause a which is better war here. I only wished to convey how I was a little upset at another delay of the bulldozer.Once I get the new computer, I don't upgrage every six months. So you think 1155 is dead? I would like to save money but I thought I got a good deal especially when it's intel. Granted I need to rethink mobo.
July 8, 2011 8:39:45 PM

irishred said:
I certainly did not mean to cause a which is better war here. I only wished to convey how I was a little upset at another delay of the bulldozer.Once I get the new computer, I don't upgrage every six months. So you think 1155 is dead? I would like to save money but I thought I got a good deal especially when it's intel. Granted I need to rethink mobo.

These AMD vs Intel spats always make for good fun...especially if your the one on the Intel side of the argument. It's like the USA vs East Timor in a game of basketball.

AMD = Average Mediocre Design aka I will wait until the next coming of Christ to have a decent cpu even if Jesus Christ shows up first....as long as there's the "upgrade path".

Here's some benchmarks and reviews worth looking at imo.

http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/203?vs=288 <----- AMD Phenom II X6 1100T BE vs Intel Core i5 2500K benchmarks

http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/203?vs=287 <----- AMD Phenom II X6 1100T BE vs Intel Core i7 2600K benchmarks

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/core-i7-990x-extrem... <----- $1,000 Intel Core i7-990X Extreme vs $330 Intel Core i7 2600K Sandy Bridge

*Sandy Bridge reviews down below

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/sandy-bridge-core-i...

http://www.anandtech.com/show/4083/the-sandy-bridge-rev...

http://www.legitreviews.com/article/1501/1/

http://benchmarkreviews.com/index.php?option=com_conten...

http://www.guru3d.com/article/core-i5-2500k-and-core-i7...
July 8, 2011 8:43:49 PM

As soon as the new SB comes out, they will use LGA2011. You might be able to use them on 1155 by flashing bios, but they usually isn't the best idea. In my opinion, I would go the AMD Phenom II x4 965 route, and save yourself about $300, so as to have a $700 build (with that, get the most badass card out there for the Phenom build and you probably still won't hit that $700 mark). With that $300, whenever BD does come out, use it to buy BD, and enjoy the fact that you don't have to build a new system to satisfy Intel's greed.
As for 'moping the floor', that's bs. If you get a 6850 on up for GPU, then CPU isn't gonna matter. Think about it. The Phenom II x4 has been know to OC to 4.5GHz STABLE. Sure, the i5 has went 200Hz higher, but is that really worth paying $100 extra for those 200Hz? In my opinion, no.
July 8, 2011 8:51:30 PM

AMD= ADVANCED MICRO DEVICES!!!! GET THE NAME RIGHT, but as for red's question, both will work. the Intel will be more "future proof" while the AMD w/ AM3+ MoBo will be able to support the Bulldozer


EDIT: Oh, he mad
July 8, 2011 8:55:24 PM

Actually, wouldn't you consider the AMD route to be more "future proof" considering that the 1155 is gonna die out? With the AMD, you will be able to drop in a new CPU which will last maybe 3 or more years.
July 8, 2011 8:57:38 PM

irishred said:
I certainly did not mean to cause a which is better war here. I only wished to convey how I was a little upset at another delay of the bulldozer.Once I get the new computer, I don't upgrage every six months. So you think 1155 is dead? I would like to save money but I thought I got a good deal especially when it's intel. Granted I need to rethink mobo.


Totally understand where your coming from. I am in this exact same situation. My water rig is due for maintenance and I plan on rebuilding it while I have it apart for cleaning / refitting. I was putting off the maintenance until BD came up, but them they pushed it forward. So instead I got the Asus Sabertooth and Phenom II x4 970BE, plan on clocking it at 4.0+.

My GPU setup is dual GTX285's with full card water coolers. CPU performance does absolutely nothing for my game performance, as the above poster has illustrated.

And yeah anytime you come in with a AMD vs Intel post the fanboy flamers will come out the woodwork. My personal choice is a Sun UltraSparc T3, but that's not exactly cheap nor can I run Windows / games on it. Run's Solaris great though.
July 8, 2011 8:59:04 PM

oh, sorry, I meant: If you don't change CPUs, then the intel will be more future proof
July 8, 2011 9:03:28 PM

Coastaltuba said:
As soon as the new SB comes out, they will use LGA2011. You might be able to use them on 1155 by flashing bios, but they usually isn't the best idea. In my opinion, I would go the AMD Phenom II x4 965 route, and save yourself about $300, so as to have a $700 build (with that, get the most badass card out there for the Phenom build and you probably still won't hit that $700 mark). With that $300, whenever BD does come out, use it to buy BD, and enjoy the fact that you don't have to build a new system to satisfy Intel's greed.
As for 'moping the floor', that's bs. If you get a 6850 on up for GPU, then CPU isn't gonna matter. Think about it. The Phenom II x4 has been know to OC to 4.5GHz STABLE. Sure, the i5 has went 200Hz higher, but is that really worth paying $100 extra for those 200Hz? In my opinion, no.

A 6850 on up eh? Um ya right.

And what if BD is a total flop? Your telling this guy to wait on something that has yet to be bench marked. That's called a gamble...gambling with money. Anyone here rich? I know I'm not.

It all matters...gpu, cpu, even RAM. It all matters. If it didn't, 6850's along with AMD cpu's would be selling like there's no tomorrow and nobody would bench mark anymore seeing how frame rates mean nothing...but they do mean something, sans the reason people bench mark and better technology wins out time and again. The day a 6850 paired up with a AMD beats out something like a gtx 560 ti paired up with a 2500K is the day h*ll freezes over. If you play something like Crysis, Metro3, even the upcoming BF3...well then it helps to be able to play them without stuttering, and nobody likes to have to turn their settings on low just to get by.

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/best-gaming-cpu-cor... <----- good read btw

July 8, 2011 9:10:20 PM

Coastaltuba said:
Actually, wouldn't you consider the AMD route to be more "future proof" considering that the 1155 is gonna die out? With the AMD, you will be able to drop in a new CPU which will last maybe 3 or more years.


Basically that was my point. That the ~current~ intel socket will be phased into the "value" segment next year once LGA2011 comes out. Intel has a history of doing this, we all know it will happen.

And I'm laughing inside, the AMD Phenom II X4 970BE is "only" 60~70 FPS with the super Intel CPU being 90FPS. And considering the I7's are double the price of the Phenom II's, well that speaks for itself. And here is the kicker, on my GTX285 x 2 setup with a Phenom II x4 940BE (clocked at 3.5) I get 60+ on Metro 2033 at 1920x1080. So as I said, both the AMD and Intel route will give the same user experience, so go with what you feel comfortable with. The OP doesn't come off as the type to use his "fps" as some sort of geek cred and thus his experience and future options are more important then getting 80FPS.
July 8, 2011 9:11:24 PM

r0aringdrag0n said:
oh, sorry, I meant: If you don't change CPUs, then the intel will be more future proof

FUTURE PROOF is a word that's laughed at on here by most. Future proof in the world of PC technology... A lot of these guys rebuild their rigs every 3-4 years. 55

I could get an LGA 775 Q9550 and still be competitive. How future proof is that?
July 8, 2011 9:17:14 PM

r0aringdrag0n said:
oh, sorry, I meant: If you don't change CPUs, then the intel will be more future proof


Well if the OP doesn't plan on upgrading the CPU anytime in the next two to three years, then I'd go with the Intel platform now. A mid range build will get you a great machine, your upgrade options will be limited but if you plan on rebuilding again in a few years then it's not an issue.
July 8, 2011 9:28:19 PM

lol hay guise wut is going on in this thread!?
July 8, 2011 10:44:10 PM

I'm not into hardcore gaming. The current computer is intel 755. I wanted to go AMD mainly because Intel's practice of dirty tricks. Namely of not able to upgrade to new cpu unless a mobo is required. I wonder if anyone here had trouble with their computer when they do exchange the cpu.
July 8, 2011 10:49:00 PM

irishred said:
I'm not into hardcore gaming. The current computer is intel 755. I wanted to go AMD mainly because Intel's practice of dirty tricks. Namely of not able to upgrade to new cpu unless a mobo is required. I wonder if anyone here had trouble with their computer when they do exchange the cpu.

But if you switch to intel then you will be sure the CPU is "Better than the competitive AMD series CPU.
But anyways...to Why_me : TROLOLOLOLOLOL
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July 8, 2011 11:07:35 PM

irishred said:
Just curios, why pick different case and the video card?

The CM case is wider and leaves the option to add another one of thoe 200mm fans. Large fans put out a lot of air and they are quiet.

As far as the vid card...Nvidea's run cooler and over clock more ...especially thoe 560's. They are o/c monsters so your getting more bang for your buck. Now if someone was planning on running multiple monitors then the 69502GB would be the way to go seeing how they have the advantage in that dept.

You can't go wrong with either card or case imo.
July 8, 2011 11:10:55 PM

I have a 750 WD Black edition HDD and 128gb sata11 SDD. I don't know anything about raid yet but would like to set one up. So could I buy a samsung spinpoint and will it work?
July 8, 2011 11:47:03 PM

O.o I guess I started that flame war... sorry about that..
July 9, 2011 1:16:26 AM

Randomacts said:
O.o I guess I started that flame war... sorry about that..


Yeah you were kinda over-generalizing there and thus the fan boys jump in.

Quote:
I'm not into hardcore gaming. The current computer is intel 755. I wanted to go AMD mainly because Intel's practice of dirty tricks. Namely of not able to upgrade to new cpu unless a mobo is required. I wonder if anyone here had trouble with their computer when they do exchange the cpu.

Similar reason so why I tend to prefer AMD CPU's. Intel has amazing engineers but their marketing / legal team is downright evil. Every few years Intel hatch's some scheme or other to push all competition out of the market so they can go back to minor-updates every 3~6 months rather then having to spend the money on major releases. Lookup the whole Rambus patent debacle and Intel's secret deal to give Rambus millions for it all.

What Intel tends to do is release a "Flagship" series of CPU's for their latest socket and place the older socket types as "value" segment. Everyone goes out and buys new mobo / CPU. Within 12 ~ 24 months Intel releases another socket type and a new series of "flagship" CPU's, the previous flagship socket is termed "value" and the even older sockets are "legacy". And again everyone goes out and buys new CPU's and Mobo's. It's Intel's way of keeping people buying new products rather then upgrading old ones.
July 9, 2011 8:44:22 PM

AMD have allowed their customers to use their old mobo when upgrading cpu. The Bulldozer is the first to require new mobo in a long time. I don't change computers often, my current one lasted 7 years and I never upgraded except windows 7. So if I were to buy a cheap amd cpu, buy a bulldozer mobo and buy bulldozer cpu next year, will the mobo be compatible with future AMD cpu or will they pulled an intel? With every new cpu, you had to buy a new mobo. I have another question. For video editing, will it be better if I buy 1090t instead of 965? I also have HD readon 6950 2gb listed above in my build, is that an overkill? Which mobo is best suited for the bulldozer. Thanks
July 10, 2011 12:31:09 AM

the only MoBo that supports the coming Bulldozer (if it is coming) CPUs are the AM3+, chances are, they won't pull an "Intel" but they might...we never will know until they do it. I would recommend the 1090t for video editing, but if you are gaming, then the 955 is better.
July 11, 2011 6:39:29 AM

And while AMD might put out a new socket, they've always built performance CPU's for at least one generation back. Their pretty good about trying to maintain socket compatibility across their produce line for a few years. Sometimes you really have to just buy new due to memory / chipset changes. Actually I don't know if BD will require a new mobo, socket AM3 supports DDR3 so the memory controllers will be compatible. The current 990FX AM3+ boards are just re-badged 890 AM3's.
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