Taking Classy Cameras to Mainland China

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"Gary Morrison" <mr88cet@texas.net> wrote in message
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> I've been toying with the possibility of taking a trip to (mainland)
> China. My parents suggested that I should avoid taking anything that
> could be viewed as a luxury item. So that might include my Nikon D100,
> or a laptop computer to dump the pictures from it onto.
>
> The reason they cited was that they'd heard stories, although not about
> China in particular, of crooked customs officials claiming that such
> items are illegal in their country, confiscating them, and selling them
> on the black market.
>
> What do you folks think are the chances of that sort of thing happening
> in China?
>
> --
>
> (Preferably reply to the newsgroup, please. If you reply by Email, I
> will sincerely try to receive your message, but it will probably get
> buried in spam.)

Take some crack to bribe them?

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On Sun, 13 Mar 2005 11:52:46 GMT, Gary Morrison <mr88cet@texas.net>
wrote:

>I've been toying with the possibility of taking a trip to (mainland)
>China. My parents suggested that I should avoid taking anything that
>could be viewed as a luxury item. So that might include my Nikon D100,
>or a laptop computer to dump the pictures from it onto.
>
>The reason they cited was that they'd heard stories, although not about
>China in particular, of crooked customs officials claiming that such
>items are illegal in their country, confiscating them, and selling them
>on the black market.
>
>What do you folks think are the chances of that sort of thing happening
>in China?

None, I live and worked there several years ago and never had any
problems like that. Just have all you customs paper work so you don't
have any problems when you come back here.


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"Chicago here, Kronshtadt there,
Arrogant governments everywhere,
They all lead to Tienanmen Square (too well we know.)"

"Tienanmen Lessons"
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Gary Morrison wrote:
> I've been toying with the possibility of taking a trip to (mainland)
> China. My parents suggested that I should avoid taking anything that
> could be viewed as a luxury item. So that might include my Nikon D100,
> or a laptop computer to dump the pictures from it onto.
>
> The reason they cited was that they'd heard stories, although not about
> China in particular, of crooked customs officials claiming that such
> items are illegal in their country, confiscating them, and selling them
> on the black market.
>
> What do you folks think are the chances of that sort of thing happening
> in China?
>


My suggest is to pack light. Although I like my DSLR too, I wouldn't
want to be a slave of the photographs. If I had money, I'd get an 8MP
with wide angle and anti-shake, like the Nikon's. I wouldn't mind
carrying a laptop for communication and dumping photos purposes. There
must be hundreds and thousands of businessmen passing through the custom
everyday and I doubt they have to worry too much about their laptops. 89

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> as most of em are made out there i wonder if it's a risk?

(More likely Japan, I suppose, but no matter...)

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John A. Stovall wrote:
> On Sun, 13 Mar 2005 16:06:08 +0200, "Dimitrios Tzortzakakis"
> <use@address.below> wrote:
>
>
>>Why not go to japan instead which certainly is more civilized?
>
>
> And China's not? I found when living and working in the Asia, China
> to be a much more friendly and out going place than Japan. The
> Japanese will always make sure you know your place as a gaijin.
>

Why not? You ARE the foreigner there, right? DO you expect to be
treated like family?


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leo <someone@somewhere.net> writes:

> Gary Morrison wrote:
>> I've been toying with the possibility of taking a trip to (mainland)
>> China. My parents suggested that I should avoid taking anything
>> that could be viewed as a luxury item. So that might include my
>> Nikon D100, or a laptop computer to dump the pictures from it onto.
>> The reason they cited was that they'd heard stories, although not
>> about China in particular, of crooked customs officials claiming
>> that such items are illegal in their country, confiscating them, and
>> selling them on the black market.
>> What do you folks think are the chances of that sort of thing
>> happening in China?

> My suggest is to pack light. Although I like my DSLR too, I wouldn't
> want to be a slave of the photographs. If I had money, I'd get an 8MP
> with wide angle and anti-shake, like the Nikon's. I wouldn't mind
> carrying a laptop for communication and dumping photos purposes. There
> must be hundreds and thousands of businessmen passing through the
> custom everyday and I doubt they have to worry too much about their
> laptops. 89

Boy, I'd really regret not having taken my cameras on my various big
trips. For me that's most of the point of the trip!
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On Sun, 13 Mar 2005 08:39:40 -0600, Ron Hunter <rphunter@charter.net>
wrote:

>John A. Stovall wrote:
>> On Sun, 13 Mar 2005 16:06:08 +0200, "Dimitrios Tzortzakakis"
>> <use@address.below> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Why not go to japan instead which certainly is more civilized?
>>
>>
>> And China's not? I found when living and working in the Asia, China
>> to be a much more friendly and out going place than Japan. The
>> Japanese will always make sure you know your place as a gaijin.
>>
>
>Why not? You ARE the foreigner there, right? DO you expect to be
>treated like family?

No, I take it you've never been to either place or lived and worked
there. Very different cultural additudes to foreigners between the two
places and yes, I spoke some Japanese. It was evident in both
business and social situations.


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David Dyer-Bennet wrote:
> leo <someone@somewhere.net> writes:
>
>
>>Gary Morrison wrote:
>>
>>>I've been toying with the possibility of taking a trip to (mainland)
>>>China. My parents suggested that I should avoid taking anything
>>>that could be viewed as a luxury item. So that might include my
>>>Nikon D100, or a laptop computer to dump the pictures from it onto.
>>>The reason they cited was that they'd heard stories, although not
>>>about China in particular, of crooked customs officials claiming
>>>that such items are illegal in their country, confiscating them, and
>>>selling them on the black market.
>>>What do you folks think are the chances of that sort of thing
>>>happening in China?
>
>
>>My suggest is to pack light. Although I like my DSLR too, I wouldn't
>>want to be a slave of the photographs. If I had money, I'd get an 8MP
>>with wide angle and anti-shake, like the Nikon's. I wouldn't mind
>>carrying a laptop for communication and dumping photos purposes. There
>>must be hundreds and thousands of businessmen passing through the
>>custom everyday and I doubt they have to worry too much about their
>>laptops. 89
>
>
> Boy, I'd really regret not having taken my cameras on my various big
> trips. For me that's most of the point of the trip!


Then you should not be lazy and bring your full gears. I think the light
weight Rebel XT (or 20D) with 17-85 IS lens would do fine. Do one need
ef-s 10-22 for the great wall?

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In article <iQVYd.12789$U_4.12756@fe2.texas.rr.com>, Gary Morrison
says...
> I've been toying with the possibility of taking a trip to (mainland)
> China. My parents suggested that I should avoid taking anything that
> could be viewed as a luxury item. So that might include my Nikon D100,
> or a laptop computer to dump the pictures from it onto.
>
> The reason they cited was that they'd heard stories, although not about
> China in particular, of crooked customs officials claiming that such
> items are illegal in their country, confiscating them, and selling them
> on the black market.
>
> What do you folks think are the chances of that sort of thing happening
> in China?

Don't worry - travelled with an Olympus 8080, a subnotebook and other
equipment (Xs Drive, external flash, external DVD burner, PDA, mobile
phone) to China last December and experienced no problems at all.

They even scanned my shoes and asked me to open a bottle of water to
make sure that it contained no explosives (!), but at all checkpoints
and airport security gates they didn't care at all about my photography
and electronics stuff. They didn't even ask me to switch on the
subnotebook, which normally is the case at European airports.

All I had to do at the entry in Shenzen was to sign a form declaring
that I had no SARS. See the travelogue here:
http://www.molon.de/galleries/Chin [...] e2004.html
--

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>And China's not?
John:
Don't feed the trolls, just killfile them.


Drifter
"I've been here, I've been there..."

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Gary Morrison wrote:
> Thanks for the replies.
>
> I guess a related question would be what the chances are of "street
> urchins" stealing cameras, or maids in hotels stealing laptops while
> you're away? That sort of thing certainly does happen in the US, and
> probably pretty much everywhere in varying amounts.
>
> My uneducated guess would be that crime rates as a whole are lower in
> China than in the US, but I haven't seen any statistics either way.
>
> Gary Morrison wrote:
>
>> I've been toying with the possibility of taking a trip to (mainland)
>> China. My parents suggested that I should avoid taking anything that
>> could be viewed as a luxury item. So that might include my Nikon
>> D100, or a laptop computer to dump the pictures from it onto.
>>
>> The reason they cited was that they'd heard stories, although not
>> about China in particular, of crooked customs officials claiming that
>> such items are illegal in their country, confiscating them, and
>> selling them on the black market.
>>
>> What do you folks think are the chances of that sort of thing
>> happening in China?
>
>

The tourist trade is VERY important to China. There have been cases of
what you mention, but when caught, the thieves won't repeat their
crimes, they are executed!


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I've had to pay bribes in India when my baggage containing a camera did not
make the same flight and I had to get it the next day but I've had no
problems with carrying an expensive camera whatsoever in entering China. We
flew into Beijing.

"Gary Morrison" <mr88cet@texas.net> wrote in message
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> I've been toying with the possibility of taking a trip to (mainland)
> China. My parents suggested that I should avoid taking anything that
> could be viewed as a luxury item. So that might include my Nikon D100, or
> a laptop computer to dump the pictures from it onto.
>
> The reason they cited was that they'd heard stories, although not about
> China in particular, of crooked customs officials claiming that such items
> are illegal in their country, confiscating them, and selling them on the
> black market.
>
> What do you folks think are the chances of that sort of thing happening in
> China?
>
> --
>
> (Preferably reply to the newsgroup, please. If you reply by Email, I
> will sincerely try to receive your message, but it will probably get
> buried in spam.)

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"Gary Morrison" <mr88cet@texas.net> wrote in message
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> I've been toying with the possibility of taking a trip to (mainland)
> China. My parents suggested that I should avoid taking anything that
> could be viewed as a luxury item. So that might include my Nikon D100, or
> a laptop computer to dump the pictures from it onto.

Complete and utter nonsense. I've been to China a number of times and, as it
happens, I'm sitting in my hotel room in Beijing writing this right now on
my laptop. Next to me is my Canon 10D (with extra lenses) and in back of me
is my Sony VX2000 3-ccd prosumer camcorder (with accessories).

It's very early in the morning, here, so my wife is still asleep, and her
designer clothes (which she favors) are hung up in the closet.


>
> The reason they cited was that they'd heard stories, although not about
> China in particular, of crooked customs officials claiming that such items
> are illegal in their country, confiscating them, and selling them on the
> black market.

Not in China.

>
> What do you folks think are the chances of that sort of thing happening in
> China?

Less than zero.


>
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"Ron Hunter" <rphunter@charter.net> wrote in message
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> leo wrote:
>> Gary Morrison wrote:
>>
>>> I've been toying with the possibility of taking a trip to (mainland)
>>> China. My parents suggested that I should avoid taking anything that
>>> could be viewed as a luxury item. So that might include my Nikon D100,
>>> or a laptop computer to dump the pictures from it onto.
>>>
>>> The reason they cited was that they'd heard stories, although not about
>>> China in particular, of crooked customs officials claiming that such
>>> items are illegal in their country, confiscating them, and selling them
>>> on the black market.
>>>
>>> What do you folks think are the chances of that sort of thing happening
>>> in China?
>>>
>>
>>
>> My suggest is to pack light. Although I like my DSLR too, I wouldn't want
>> to be a slave of the photographs. If I had money, I'd get an 8MP with
>> wide angle and anti-shake, like the Nikon's. I wouldn't mind carrying a
>> laptop for communication and dumping photos purposes. There must be
>> hundreds and thousands of businessmen passing through the custom everyday
>> and I doubt they have to worry too much about their laptops. 89
>
> One may find his internet access a bit less 'general' there than he is
> used to, however. China makes severe policy restrictions on internet use.

I wouldn't call them "severe." You'll have to deal with the equivalent of a
proxy server that blocks access to some sites (the only one I've found so
far has been, oddly enough, Google Groups). I find I also can do vpn, vnc,
ping or tracert. However, everything else works, including email to and
from all of my email accounts and, of course, Usenet, which is how I'm
responding to this now.


>
>
> --
> Ron Hunter rphunter@charter.net

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"Ron Hunter" <rphunter@charter.net> wrote in message
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> Gary Morrison wrote:
>> I've been toying with the possibility of taking a trip to (mainland)
>> China. My parents suggested that I should avoid taking anything that
>> could be viewed as a luxury item. So that might include my Nikon D100,
>> or a laptop computer to dump the pictures from it onto.
>>
>> The reason they cited was that they'd heard stories, although not about
>> China in particular, of crooked customs officials claiming that such
>> items are illegal in their country, confiscating them, and selling them
>> on the black market.
>>
>> What do you folks think are the chances of that sort of thing happening
>> in China?
>>
> It depends on just how you get there. If you fly in as a part of a large
> group, it isn't so likely (they REALLY want our business). If you travel
> alone, and enter at a smaller city, you might have a problem.

Absolutely and completely untrue. Have you ever actually been there?

I've entered through large and small cities, always on my own (or with my
wife), and never with a large group, and never had any trouble. Moreover, I
don't know anyone who HAS actually been there that has had any trouble.


>
>
> --
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"Ed Mullikin" <edmull2@cox.net> wrote in message
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> I've had to pay bribes in India when my baggage containing a camera did
> not make the same flight and I had to get it the next day but I've had no
> problems with carrying an expensive camera whatsoever in entering China.
> We flew into Beijing.

The obvious point is that you should never pack an expensive camera in
checked luggage, regardless of where you go. For what it's worth, I brought
an expensive digital still camera and camcorder to India as carry-on with no
problems whatsoever (except that my loose batteries, which are banned in the
cabin of aircraft, where confiscated).


>
> "Gary Morrison" <mr88cet@texas.net> wrote in message
> news:iQVYd.12789$U_4.12756@fe2.texas.rr.com...
>> I've been toying with the possibility of taking a trip to (mainland)
>> China. My parents suggested that I should avoid taking anything that
>> could be viewed as a luxury item. So that might include my Nikon D100,
>> or a laptop computer to dump the pictures from it onto.
>>
>> The reason they cited was that they'd heard stories, although not about
>> China in particular, of crooked customs officials claiming that such
>> items are illegal in their country, confiscating them, and selling them
>> on the black market.
>>
>> What do you folks think are the chances of that sort of thing happening
>> in China?
>>
>> --
>>
>> (Preferably reply to the newsgroup, please. If you reply by Email, I
>> will sincerely try to receive your message, but it will probably get
>> buried in spam.)
>
>

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PTRAVEL wrote:
> "Ron Hunter" <rphunter@charter.net> wrote in message
> news:XqYYd.50958$Rx5.6615@fe06.lga...
>
>>leo wrote:
>>
>>>Gary Morrison wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>I've been toying with the possibility of taking a trip to (mainland)
>>>>China. My parents suggested that I should avoid taking anything that
>>>>could be viewed as a luxury item. So that might include my Nikon D100,
>>>>or a laptop computer to dump the pictures from it onto.
>>>>
>>>>The reason they cited was that they'd heard stories, although not about
>>>>China in particular, of crooked customs officials claiming that such
>>>>items are illegal in their country, confiscating them, and selling them
>>>>on the black market.
>>>>
>>>>What do you folks think are the chances of that sort of thing happening
>>>>in China?
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>My suggest is to pack light. Although I like my DSLR too, I wouldn't want
>>>to be a slave of the photographs. If I had money, I'd get an 8MP with
>>>wide angle and anti-shake, like the Nikon's. I wouldn't mind carrying a
>>>laptop for communication and dumping photos purposes. There must be
>>>hundreds and thousands of businessmen passing through the custom everyday
>>>and I doubt they have to worry too much about their laptops. 89
>>
>>One may find his internet access a bit less 'general' there than he is
>>used to, however. China makes severe policy restrictions on internet use.
>
>
> I wouldn't call them "severe." You'll have to deal with the equivalent of a
> proxy server that blocks access to some sites (the only one I've found so
> far has been, oddly enough, Google Groups). I find I also can do vpn, vnc,
> ping or tracert. However, everything else works, including email to and
> from all of my email accounts and, of course, Usenet, which is how I'm
> responding to this now.
>
>
>
>>
>>--
>>Ron Hunter rphunter@charter.net
>
>
>
Yes, severe! Try accessing sites that discuss democracy, and discuss
human rights, or religious sites.
I stand by 'severe'.


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On Sun, 13 Mar 2005 13:51:22 -0800, "PTRAVEL"
<ptravel88-usenet@yahoo.com> wrote:

>
>"Ron Hunter" <rphunter@charter.net> wrote in message
>news:XqYYd.50958$Rx5.6615@fe06.lga...
>> leo wrote:
>>> Gary Morrison wrote:
>>>
>>>> I've been toying with the possibility of taking a trip to (mainland)
>>>> China. My parents suggested that I should avoid taking anything that
>>>> could be viewed as a luxury item. So that might include my Nikon D100,
>>>> or a laptop computer to dump the pictures from it onto.
>>>>
>>>> The reason they cited was that they'd heard stories, although not about
>>>> China in particular, of crooked customs officials claiming that such
>>>> items are illegal in their country, confiscating them, and selling them
>>>> on the black market.
>>>>
>>>> What do you folks think are the chances of that sort of thing happening
>>>> in China?
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> My suggest is to pack light. Although I like my DSLR too, I wouldn't want
>>> to be a slave of the photographs. If I had money, I'd get an 8MP with
>>> wide angle and anti-shake, like the Nikon's. I wouldn't mind carrying a
>>> laptop for communication and dumping photos purposes. There must be
>>> hundreds and thousands of businessmen passing through the custom everyday
>>> and I doubt they have to worry too much about their laptops. 89
>>
>> One may find his internet access a bit less 'general' there than he is
>> used to, however. China makes severe policy restrictions on internet use.
>
>I wouldn't call them "severe." You'll have to deal with the equivalent of a
>proxy server that blocks access to some sites (the only one I've found so
>far has been, oddly enough, Google Groups). I find I also can do vpn, vnc,
>ping or tracert. However, everything else works, including email to and
>from all of my email accounts and, of course, Usenet, which is how I'm
>responding to this now.

Try this site:

http://www.lysanderspooner.org/

You won't get it.

THIS SITE IS BANNED IN CHINA!


*****************************************************

"Chicago here, Kronshtadt there,
Arrogant governments everywhere,
They all lead to Tienanmen Square (too well we know.)"

"Tienanmen Lessons"
Leslie Fish

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On Mon, 14 Mar 2005 01:22:38 GMT, leo <someone@somewhere.net> wrote:

snipped
>>
>> Try this site:
>>
>> http://www.lysanderspooner.org/
>>
>> You won't get it.
>>
>> THIS SITE IS BANNED IN CHINA!
>>
>>
>> *****************************************************
>>
>> "Chicago here, Kronshtadt there,
>> Arrogant governments everywhere,
>> They all lead to Tienanmen Square (too well we know.)"
>>
>> "Tienanmen Lessons"
>> Leslie Fish
>>
>
>
>Not working. I guess the site is banned in the USA too.

Must be your isp. Working just fine via earthlink.net.

Try pasting it into your browser.


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"As for the training courses, the main objective should
still be to raise the level of technique in marksmanship,
bayoneting,grenade-throwing and the like and the secondary
objective should be to raise the level of tactics, while
special emphasis should be laid on night operations."

"Policy for Work in the Liberated Areas for 1946"
(December 31, 1945), Selected Works, Vol. IV, p. 76
Chairman Mao Tse-tung

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On Mon, 14 Mar 2005 01:28:46 GMT, leo <someone@somewhere.net> wrote:

>John A. Stovall wrote:
>> On Mon, 14 Mar 2005 01:22:38 GMT, leo <someone@somewhere.net> wrote:
>>
>> snipped
>>
>>>>Try this site:
>>>>
>>>>http://www.lysanderspooner.org/
>>>>
>>>>You won't get it.
>>>>
>>>>THIS SITE IS BANNED IN CHINA!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>*****************************************************
>>>>
>>>>"Chicago here, Kronshtadt there,
>>>> Arrogant governments everywhere,
>>>> They all lead to Tienanmen Square (too well we know.)"
>>>>
>>>> "Tienanmen Lessons"
>>>> Leslie Fish
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Not working. I guess the site is banned in the USA too.
>>
>>
>> Must be your isp. Working just fine via earthlink.net.
>>
>> Try pasting it into your browser.
>>
>>
>> **********************************************************
>>
>> "As for the training courses, the main objective should
>> still be to raise the level of technique in marksmanship,
>> bayoneting,grenade-throwing and the like and the secondary
>> objective should be to raise the level of tactics, while
>> special emphasis should be laid on night operations."
>>
>> "Policy for Work in the Liberated Areas for 1946"
>> (December 31, 1945), Selected Works, Vol. IV, p. 76
>> Chairman Mao Tse-tung
>
>
>no go - charter cable here.

They maybe having a server problem, It just timed out for me.


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With wrath against the rulers false who wreck our menhoods name
The serf who licks his tyrants rod may bend forgiving knee.
The slave who breaks his slavery's chain a wrathful man must be.

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"John A. Stovall" <johnastovall@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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> On Sun, 13 Mar 2005 13:51:22 -0800, "PTRAVEL"
> <ptravel88-usenet@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>"Ron Hunter" <rphunter@charter.net> wrote in message
>>news:XqYYd.50958$Rx5.6615@fe06.lga...
>>> leo wrote:
>>>> Gary Morrison wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I've been toying with the possibility of taking a trip to (mainland)
>>>>> China. My parents suggested that I should avoid taking anything that
>>>>> could be viewed as a luxury item. So that might include my Nikon
>>>>> D100,
>>>>> or a laptop computer to dump the pictures from it onto.
>>>>>
>>>>> The reason they cited was that they'd heard stories, although not
>>>>> about
>>>>> China in particular, of crooked customs officials claiming that such
>>>>> items are illegal in their country, confiscating them, and selling
>>>>> them
>>>>> on the black market.
>>>>>
>>>>> What do you folks think are the chances of that sort of thing
>>>>> happening
>>>>> in China?
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> My suggest is to pack light. Although I like my DSLR too, I wouldn't
>>>> want
>>>> to be a slave of the photographs. If I had money, I'd get an 8MP with
>>>> wide angle and anti-shake, like the Nikon's. I wouldn't mind carrying a
>>>> laptop for communication and dumping photos purposes. There must be
>>>> hundreds and thousands of businessmen passing through the custom
>>>> everyday
>>>> and I doubt they have to worry too much about their laptops. 89
>>>
>>> One may find his internet access a bit less 'general' there than he is
>>> used to, however. China makes severe policy restrictions on internet
>>> use.
>>
>>I wouldn't call them "severe." You'll have to deal with the equivalent of
>>a
>>proxy server that blocks access to some sites (the only one I've found so
>>far has been, oddly enough, Google Groups). I find I also can do vpn,
>>vnc,
>>ping or tracert. However, everything else works, including email to and
>>from all of my email accounts and, of course, Usenet, which is how I'm
>>responding to this now.
>
> Try this site:
>
> http://www.lysanderspooner.org/
>
> You won't get it.
>
> THIS SITE IS BANNED IN CHINA!

That's correct -- I couldn't get it. I'd never heard of Lysander Spooner,
so I looked him up on Google. He is, evidently, a 19th century anarchist.
What is lysanderspooner.org and what do they advocate?


>
>
> *****************************************************
>
> "Chicago here, Kronshtadt there,
> Arrogant governments everywhere,
> They all lead to Tienanmen Square (too well we know.)"
>
> "Tienanmen Lessons"
> Leslie Fish
>

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"clw" <never@home.org> wrote in message
news:never-1AD836.17345113032005@nntp0.pdx.net...
> Take nothing overseas that you do not want confiscated. This includes
> some "south of the border" countries.
>
> And, applies to both cameras and computers.

Absolute, complete and utter nonsense. My guess is you don't travel much,
if at all.


>
> --
> Panta Rei

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"John A. Stovall" <johnastovall@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:ljq9315bgmhprh1cqh7orf1s3l4s214bcs@4ax.com...
> On Mon, 14 Mar 2005 01:34:01 GMT, John A. Stovall
> <johnastovall@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
>
>>They maybe having a server problem, It just timed out for me.
>>
>>
>
> Try the one in google's cache.
>
> http://64.233.167.104/search?q=cac [...] ooner.org/

As with _all_ foreign countries, accessing Google from China takes you to a
Chinese-language Google page (when I was in Copenhagen last month accessing
Google took me to a Danish Google web page). I tried accessing the link you
provided above and get a "Page contains no data" message.

Do you have a better example?


>
>
> ******************************************************
>
> "He said: History is an Angel being blown backward
> into the Future."
>
> "The Dream Before"
> Laurie Anderson
> from
> "Strange Angles"

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PTRAVEL wrote:
> "John A. Stovall" <johnastovall@earthlink.net> wrote in message
> news:bmq93150ok6bi4m0nqc1ek5tairam760sr@4ax.com...
>
>>On Sun, 13 Mar 2005 17:35:02 -0800, "PTRAVEL"
>><ptravel88-usenet@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>"John A. Stovall" <johnastovall@earthlink.net> wrote in message
>>>news:eep9315b7sfb83a99nn400j0h8tck5vj55@4ax.com...
>>>
>>>>On Sun, 13 Mar 2005 13:51:22 -0800, "PTRAVEL"
>>>><ptravel88-usenet@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>"Ron Hunter" <rphunter@charter.net> wrote in message
>>>>>news:XqYYd.50958$Rx5.6615@fe06.lga...
>>>>>
>>>>>>leo wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Gary Morrison wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>I've been toying with the possibility of taking a trip to (mainland)
>>>>>>>>China. My parents suggested that I should avoid taking anything
>>>>>>>>that
>>>>>>>>could be viewed as a luxury item. So that might include my Nikon
>>>>>>>>D100,
>>>>>>>>or a laptop computer to dump the pictures from it onto.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>The reason they cited was that they'd heard stories, although not
>>>>>>>>about
>>>>>>>>China in particular, of crooked customs officials claiming that such
>>>>>>>>items are illegal in their country, confiscating them, and selling
>>>>>>>>them
>>>>>>>>on the black market.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>What do you folks think are the chances of that sort of thing
>>>>>>>>happening
>>>>>>>>in China?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>My suggest is to pack light. Although I like my DSLR too, I wouldn't
>>>>>>>want
>>>>>>>to be a slave of the photographs. If I had money, I'd get an 8MP with
>>>>>>>wide angle and anti-shake, like the Nikon's. I wouldn't mind carrying
>>>>>>>a
>>>>>>>laptop for communication and dumping photos purposes. There must be
>>>>>>>hundreds and thousands of businessmen passing through the custom
>>>>>>>everyday
>>>>>>>and I doubt they have to worry too much about their laptops. 89
>>>>>>
>>>>>>One may find his internet access a bit less 'general' there than he is
>>>>>>used to, however. China makes severe policy restrictions on internet
>>>>>>use.
>>>>>
>>>>>I wouldn't call them "severe." You'll have to deal with the equivalent
>>>>>of
>>>>>a
>>>>>proxy server that blocks access to some sites (the only one I've found
>>>>>so
>>>>>far has been, oddly enough, Google Groups). I find I also can do vpn,
>>>>>vnc,
>>>>>ping or tracert. However, everything else works, including email to and
>>>>
>>>>>from all of my email accounts and, of course, Usenet, which is how I'm
>>>>
>>>>>responding to this now.
>>>>
>>>>Try this site:
>>>>
>>>>http://www.lysanderspooner.org/
>>>>
>>>>You won't get it.
>>>>
>>>>THIS SITE IS BANNED IN CHINA!
>>>
>>>That's correct -- I couldn't get it. I'd never heard of Lysander Spooner,
>>>so I looked him up on Google. He is, evidently, a 19th century anarchist.
>>>What is lysanderspooner.org and what do they advocate?
>>
>>Freedom is what they advocate and they make available Spooner's
>>writings on line. They also want his home named a historic landmark.
>>
>>Really radical people.
>
>
> Spooner is described, at a number of sites which ARE accessible here, as an
> anarchist. I'd consider an anarchist a radical, yes.
>
> However, returning to the original topic, though internet access is
> restricted for visitors to China, it is not severely restricted. Visitors
> will have no trouble accessing CNN, MSNBC, the major US newspapers, the US
> government websites, etc. Usenet is completely accessible, as is email.
>
> So far, the only sites I haven't been able to access are Google groups and
> your lysanderspooner.org site.
>
>
>
>>
>>***************************************************************
>>
>>"In this world, things are complicated and are decided
>>by many factors. We should look at problems from different
>>aspects, not from just one."
>>
>> "On the Chungking Negotiations"
>> (October 17, 1945),
>> Selected Works, Vol. IV, p. 54.
>>
>> Chairman Mao Tse-tung


Try using a proxy in another country, like USA. The google site detects
the your ip address and send you to the appropiate page which might not
have other features.

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Dimitrios Tzortzakakis wrote:
> Why not go to japan instead which certainly is more civilized?
>
> --
> Tzortzakakis Dimitri?s
> major in electrical engineering, freelance electrician
> FH von Iraklion-Kreta, freiberuflicher Elektriker
> dimtzort AT otenet DOT gr
> ? "Gary Morrison" <mr88cet@texas.net> ?????? ??? ??????
> news:iQVYd.12789$U_4.12756@fe2.texas.rr.com...
>
>>I've been toying with the possibility of taking a trip to (mainland)
>>China. My parents suggested that I should avoid taking anything that
>>could be viewed as a luxury item. So that might include my Nikon D100,
>>or a laptop computer to dump the pictures from it onto.
>>
>>The reason they cited was that they'd heard stories, although not about
>>China in particular, of crooked customs officials claiming that such
>>items are illegal in their country, confiscating them, and selling them
>>on the black market.
>>
>>What do you folks think are the chances of that sort of thing happening
>>in China?
>>
>>--
>>
>>(Preferably reply to the newsgroup, please. If you reply by Email, I
>>will sincerely try to receive your message, but it will probably get
>>buried in spam.)
>
>
>
Hi,
Unless you're joking, you are very ignorant, Dimitrios.
How about hitting a history book a little?
Tony