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July 3, 2012 6:33:24 PM

Last week I received my brand new mid-tower PC from a "boutique" builder and for the first time I am paying attention to temperatures (and voltages, and fan speeds) so I am asking the forum if these temps look alright (all Centigrade):

(NOTE: MB is a Sabertooth Z77 and CPU is a 3rd Gen Core i-7 3770.)

CPU: 37
MB: 38
VCORE: 33
VCORE (Back): 31
VCCIO/VCCSA: 38
iGPU: 33
DRAM: 48
PCH: 46
USB3.0: 47
PCIE-1: 35
PCIE-2: 41

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July 3, 2012 6:34:36 PM

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July 3, 2012 9:12:03 PM

SO do these temperatures look alright to all of you?
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July 3, 2012 9:14:02 PM

Its not enough info there.

Is it OC'd?

Is it idle? Or ..?
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July 4, 2012 4:08:27 PM

Thanks Nikorr. I'll see about that. I want to be careful and not install "GarbageWare" :sol: 
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July 4, 2012 4:09:49 PM

And no, there is no overclocking at all and yes, it is idling. Thanks.
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July 4, 2012 4:24:31 PM

Tony Rotten said:
Thanks Nikorr. I'll see about that. I want to be careful and not install "GarbageWare" :sol: 

Duh, Prime95 is not "GarbageWare" by any stretch, you can use AIDA64 Extreme to stress it's about the best you can get and all of my builds are validated using it - http://www.aida64.com/downloads

The temps look fine. Q - Where are you seeing that data? Keep in mind 'Probe' data isn't completely accurate.
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July 4, 2012 5:06:13 PM

Sorry, I didn't mean to put down the program you suggested. I was referring to what else may be installed in my PC w/o my knowledge. But if you guys vouch for the program, that's good enough for me.

I'll look more into it.

And the temps above are being reported by ASUS's MB utility AI Suite II. (I assume that if I look in the BIOS screens I would get the same readings?)
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July 4, 2012 5:14:35 PM

Temps & Readings (same) - Not necessarily and I'd trust in order: 1. Direct readings with instruments, 2. BIOS Level readings, 3. OEM Applications (though I do not recommend installing ASUS AI Suite unless required - talk about problematic software), and ... dead last third-party applications.

There's no 'probe standardization'.
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July 4, 2012 5:34:30 PM

These are the readings while idling:

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July 4, 2012 5:37:39 PM

Your hard drives are burning!!!
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July 4, 2012 5:40:37 PM

I like the CPU temps in low 30's. But it should be fine, if it is on stock cooler.

Is it a stock CPU cooler?

Whats your case?

The HDD temps should be in low 30's, mine are in 28 - 32 most of the time.

Temp on HDD is #1 killer of the HDD!
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July 4, 2012 6:06:22 PM

I found the following HTML file in my brand new PC:

http://tony-alicea.site.aplus.net/alicea/newpc/AIDA64_2...

It's the manufacturer's (AVADirect) test results. There are more files there but I would appreciate it if anyone sees something wrong offhand. I know it's a long listing but many of you would probably know what to look for first.

Thanks!

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July 4, 2012 6:08:05 PM

Nikorr:

COOLER MASTER, Elite 311 (RC-311B-OWN1) Black/Orange Mid-Tower Case w/ Window, ATX, No PSU, Steel/Plastic

ANTEC, EarthWatts EA 750 Green, 80 PLUS® Bronze, 750W, 24-pin ATX12V 2.3 EPS12V, Four 8/6-pin PCIe, Retail

COOLER MASTER, Hyper 212 EVO CPU Cooler, Socket 2011/1155/1156/1366/775/FM1/AM3/AM2, Copper/Aluminum
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July 4, 2012 7:02:00 PM

Tony Rotten said:
Nikorr:

COOLER MASTER, Elite 311 (RC-311B-OWN1) Black/Orange Mid-Tower Case w/ Window, ATX, No PSU, Steel/Plastic

ANTEC, EarthWatts EA 750 Green, 80 PLUS® Bronze, 750W, 24-pin ATX12V 2.3 EPS12V, Four 8/6-pin PCIe, Retail

COOLER MASTER, Hyper 212 EVO CPU Cooler, Socket 2011/1155/1156/1366/775/FM1/AM3/AM2, Copper/Aluminum

OK, If u spend money on premium system, I would get a better case.

Water cooler like H100

The PSU is good, I like Antec.

x79 is produces more heat than Z77.
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July 4, 2012 7:03:39 PM

Tony, can u post a picture of the case opened inside? 2-3 including the HDD's.

Something is keeping your HDD's hot! Not good for longer life. Period.
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July 4, 2012 7:58:40 PM

Huh?! The temps (HW Monitor) look fine, the (1) one HDD is maybe +2C higher a tad atypical but nothing I would even care to be concern about if something's R/W at that exact moment of a screen capture. 42C~45C is very average and all of the other temps are low if anything. AUX/CPU IN Temps are 'null' temperatures i.e. there's no probe data.
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July 4, 2012 8:21:01 PM

My HDD never goes over 35. Only one older HDD stays 36-39.
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July 4, 2012 8:38:36 PM

Run ATTO on the HDD and look again. My SSD is 28C.

edit/ any my wife's SSD is 32C.

RAID HDD's won't show-up in most Apps or I'd post the images...but I know on my other single HDD's 42C~45C was normal.
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July 4, 2012 8:49:08 PM

What is ATTO?

(My SSD is Intel 520 series - 180GB) and I have no RAID config.

Thanks,

Tony
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July 4, 2012 8:55:33 PM

I meant (me), practically every PC (except Notebooks) I own has some form of RAID.

ATTO is one of many drive benchmark utilities, but practically every R/W speed you'll see when buying came from the cherry picked max R/W from ATTO; official link - http://www.attotech.com/products/product.php?sku=Disk_B...

The HDD temps are influence by: Cooling, Density of the platter, Rotation speeds of the platter, and mostly (USE R/W).
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July 5, 2012 2:04:34 AM

So Jaquith, bottom line, should I tell the manufacturer of my new PC that the disk temperatures are to high to be acceptable?
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July 5, 2012 12:51:19 PM

Where did I ever suggest they were high? I think they're fine and normal temps from what you've posted do far.

However, as both myself and @Nikorr suggested we'd need to see the temps with the PC under load -- be from Prime95 or AIDA64 to make any sort of determination. Running 'idle' means -- zip.
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July 6, 2012 10:38:00 PM

What about

DRAM: 48
PCH: 46
USB3.0: 47

while running idle? These are the highest in my original post?
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July 6, 2012 10:49:09 PM

Keep in mind some of those chipsets i.e. Z77 have a max temp around 105C+. Also, HW Monitor at best is a ball park.

I see nothing to me alerted about...you're fine.
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July 6, 2012 11:04:01 PM

Thank you very much Jaquith; I "feel better now" after spending $2K. (I never doubted AVADirect.)

I will be running IBM's Java development software which IDE including server will, believe me, absorb as much hardware as you can throw to it, and then ask for more! :-)

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July 15, 2012 7:01:04 PM


First, I really want to thank you both for being so helpful.

I *did* download Prime95 and was pleasantly surprised when noticing that it was written by/for math enthusiasts, being a Physics Univ. major myself :-)

I will be posting, for your kind review, the temps while calculating the prime numbers; to tell you the truth, I didn't see any spikes ...

One interesting thing though, was that, running Prime95 on my 4-yr old PC by the same custom shop, it rebooted twice while unattended. Maybe the stress test was too much for it. Funny, since I have never had any issues w/it. Oh well, it's my 'old' PC now. :-)

Again, thanks...

Tony

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July 24, 2012 12:09:20 PM



Could you guys you look at the MAX temps in this JPG? I left the PC running overnight for an initial backup that lasted 6 hrs and 51 mins to eSATA drives. It's the "Max" values that worry me a little. There was a lot of variation in the CPU (up to 49C) and the "package", 54C. BTW, what is the "package"?

Also the 2TB drive, which was the one being backed up, went up to 47 but I have seen that no matter what I do it stays between 46 and 47C. The other drives are in the low 40s all the time.

Also, are the speeds of two of the fans too low for a MAX value (44 and 78 RPM)?

Thanks, Tony
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July 24, 2012 12:26:58 PM

If you're doing an excessive amount of R/W's to a drive -- yep the temps will go up. The "CPU Package" temperature is the average internal temp of the CPU. All of those XXXTIN temperatures are erroneous values.
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July 24, 2012 2:02:39 PM

Thanks jaquith.

So do any of the MAX temps look bad to you, especially CPUs?

And what about the low speed of the two fans CPUFANIN0 and SYSFANIN? I may be concerned about the CPU fan since I get a warning during POST of the Sabertooth Z77 of "CPU Fan Error!" even though immediately after starting I can see that the fan is spinning. And if I do a restart while PC is powered ON, the warning does not happen.

Thanks again.
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July 24, 2012 2:54:32 PM

If the fans look like they're spinning then those RPM reading are wrong.

Again, use AIDA64 Extreme.

Regarding that error, I've seen that typically when folks miswired something like a Corsair H50/H60 and put the pump on the CPU_Header vs other FAN_Headers with no BIOS setting for proper speed control <or> sure I've seen Fan's transmit a bad signal -- either can cause the error.

Q - What HSF?
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July 24, 2012 11:23:09 PM

HSF = Heat Sink Fan? If so, COOLER MASTER, Hyper 212 EVO CPU Cooler.

After reading more on the Z77 manual, I see CPU temps mentioned like "When the CPU temp reaches 75C, fan will run at full speed."

Well, mine haven't gotten even close to that under stress, so I am not worried anymore :sol: 

Thanks.
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July 24, 2012 11:36:49 PM

IF you're getting "CPU Fan Error!" then you've got a bad fan.

BIOS:
CPU Q-Fan Control -> Enabled
CPU Fan Profile -> Standard ; default

Now as far as CPU Fan control I prefer the BIOS (Manual) vs using parts of ASUS's AI Suite (fan control).

Glad to hear you're no longer stressed. :) 
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July 25, 2012 12:02:36 AM

The warning was that the MIN was set to 600 so the poor fan didn't have time to speed up and was doing 500+ at the time the MB checked it seems, and then complained. I changed the value to 500 RPM and that solved it. It spins like there's no tomorrow :-)
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July 25, 2012 12:05:22 AM

BTW, I changed that MIN value in the BIOS, not with the problematic ASUS AI whatever util. :sarcastic: 
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July 25, 2012 12:11:54 AM

Tony Rotten said:
BTW, I changed that MIN value in the BIOS, not with the problematic ASUS AI whatever util. :sarcastic: 

Smart move!!! All sound good! Enjoy - Sweet rig! :sol: 
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July 25, 2012 12:15:21 AM

Tony iam no expert but recently after buildin g my own PC and failing at things i have learnt a lot and i will offer my view about your " situation " right now .

There are usually one 3 things in your pc that you should make sure is not over heating .

1 . CPU
2. GRAPHICS CARD
3. MOther Board

You have a good CPU cooler which should let your i7 3770 processor sit at 30~ 35 degress at idle

and iam very sure i7 3770 on load should not go above 55 degrees!!


your motherboard is the best or one of the best thermal solution type motherboards ., so No worries there.


and lastly GPU again considering your build is new and all with many games at normal medium settings your GPU should not go above 60 degrees.


you have some exceptional cable management in your case there.

BUT

from the pic you posted , we can only see one fan ( exhaust ) ...

i dont see any air intake fans ...

even if your temps are smooth now ...


at the long run your Graphics card / MOBO / CPU will suffer bad if your case doesnt have good air flow inside !!


please do say me the position of fans in your PC CASE.


remember unlike old times the new range of mobos/Graphics card /CPU come with lot of technologies therefore consume lot of power resulting in higher heat production.

that is why even non gaming PCs nowadays are built to have exceptional airflow !!


you have pretty much a costly mid range gaming build there ! so dont mess it up with a bad case !


thank you
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July 25, 2012 2:38:28 AM

Thanks windsymphony.

Believe it or not I don't do any gaming with that PC, the graphics card is never going to be stressed. Next time (5 years?) I will give more thought to air flow.

I think there's only one case fan (!). The MB has two AUX fans though.
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July 27, 2012 11:44:57 PM

More temp measurements from the burn-in tests that the manufacturer performed:

GPU-Z. With 99% GPU load, the temps went up to 81C and the fan, 57%, 2550 RPM

Furmark 1.8.2 says Max GPU temp 81C, Resolution 1280x1224(FS) and FPS: min=37, max=56, avg=44

Is that good or bad for a sys that I will not game with?
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