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May 4, 2011 3:11:35 PM

SO TigerDirect has a 9800 GT for 50$ (512 mb, DDR3, 128 bit) and I am wondering whether I should buy that or if I should pay around 20 bucks more for a 5670 on newegg (128 bit, 512 mb DDR5) or if I should pay 30 bucks more for a 5670 on newegg that is 1 GB DDR5 128 bit....
Is the DX11 support worth it?
If you say I should buy the 5670 please comment on whether I should buy that 512 mb DDR5 (70$), 1gb DDR3 (70$) or 1gb ddr5 (80$ AR)

More about : 9800 radeon 5670

May 4, 2011 3:17:45 PM

APPROXIMATE PURCHASE DATE: ASAPBUDGET RANGE: 40$ - 80$

USAGE FROM MOST TO LEAST IMPORTANT: Gaming (Portal 2, Starcraft 2, future games not too demanding), Watching movies,

CURRENT GPU AND POWER SUPPLY: Had a GT 430, RMAd, 500W psu

OTHER RELEVANT SYSTEM SPECS: AMD Athlon II x4 3.2 ghz, 8GB Sniper Ram

PREFERRED WEBSITE(S) FOR PARTS: I am preferential to newegg, but I can deal with others COUNTRY OF ORIGIN: USA

PARTS PREFERENCES: none

OVERCLOCKING: No SLI OR CROSSFIRE: No

MONITOR RESOLUTION: 1280x1024

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May 4, 2011 3:28:13 PM

The 9800GT is faster than the 5670.The 9800GT is more compareable to the 5770.I would go with the 5770 but if thats out of your price range than the 9800GT is the better choice.The DX11 support for the 5670 isn't really worth it because the 5670 isn't strong enough to provide good frames in DX11.

What is the make/model of your power supply?
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a c 376 U Graphics card
May 5, 2011 12:42:59 AM

purple stank said:
The 9800GT is faster than the 5670.
The card in question is one of the newer versions without the PCI-E power connector. Those cards are underclocked from 600mhz to 550 which should bring it down to right around the performance of the HD5670.
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a c 214 U Graphics card
May 5, 2011 12:47:58 AM

Thats not to bad if you have the money I would say go ahead and get it.The 5830 is a powerful card.Better than the 5770 or 9800GT.That card can also handle DX11 pretty moderatly.

Dunno about that PSU.It looks very weak.I wouldn't try putting anything over a 5770 on it that PSU.The 5830 uses way more power than the 5770 so stay away from that unitl you get a new PSU.
Technically speaking your PSU should be able to deliever 350watts on the 12/v rail but the 5830 under load uses about 360watts.So stay away fro mthe 5830 it's a pwoer hog.
Go with the 5770 and you should be able to use your current psu with it.
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a c 214 U Graphics card
May 5, 2011 12:49:30 AM

jyjjy said:
The card in question is one of the newer versions without the PCI-E power connector. Those cards are underclocked from 600mhz to 550 which should bring it down to right around the performance of the HD5670.


I wasn't aware they starting making new versions of the 9800GT.I thought they were about done with that card.
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a c 376 U Graphics card
May 5, 2011 12:53:11 AM

They aren't starting, I think those cards have been around for close to 2 years now. They are just "newer" compared to the original version with the connector. There are two different versions of the 9600GT as well but they are clocked the same so in that case the power connector is the only difference.
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May 5, 2011 1:08:41 AM

So I don't want to spend that much on a card ($100) so between the 70$ 5670 and the 9800 GT, you would reccommend the 9800 GT? Also, What DX11 stuff will I be missing out with the 9800 GT?
On a side note, With a newegg refund, is that store credit, or do they just give back the money?
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a c 365 U Graphics card
May 5, 2011 1:32:48 AM

You won't be missing out much on DX11. It's really not a huge jump from DX9 like DX9 was from DX8. DX11 also needs a bit of processing power and the HD 5670 is a bit too weak for that. I would guess you would come to realize that it would not be worth playing DX11 on the HD 5670 due to the performance it.

You will get you money back from Newegg if you return something to them. Less any shipping charges and a possible 15% restocking fee.

Additionally, the HD 5670 is too slow to take advantage of 1GB of VRAM. Benchmarks have shown there is virtually no difference between 512MB and 1GB for that card unless you consider a possible 0.5% to 1% increase in performance to be huge.
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May 5, 2011 5:03:01 AM

So I have decided to get the 9800 GT, but its OEM... so do I need to buy any cables or anything like that? I heard you need a 6-pin power adapter???
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The card in question is one of the newer versions without the PCI-E power connector. Those cards are underclocked from 600mhz to 550 which should bring it down to right around the performance of the HD5670.

So does this mean I need to buy the power connector?
I say this because in a review on TigerDirect about this card it says:
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For 49.99 you really cant beat out this card. OEM means its just the card, no cables included. as for size, in my computer case it took up two slots. look in the back of the case and they have the spots where u plug in stuff one on top of the other make sure you have a 6 pin pci-e connector from psu to plug in on the side of card. i didnt notice it at first and all i got was a high pitched whine.

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a b U Graphics card
May 5, 2011 5:33:14 AM

Your PSU should have a dedicated 6 pin VGA cable. I'm assuming your PSU it's not modular, so just open the case and look if you can see a red 6 pin connector. If you do, you shouldn't need to buy an other cable.

Also download the nvidia drivers prior to installing the card.
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May 5, 2011 5:35:23 AM

Ok...so currently Im running an old X300/X550/x1050...
Should I uninstall the ATI drivers, install nvidia drivers, and then install the card. On top of that....The nvidia driver only installs when it scans your hardware and finds that the card is in your machine...so wouldnt it be impossible to install the drivers prior?
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May 5, 2011 5:51:46 AM

In addition, I just checked out my mobo. It only had one PCIE spot which isnt a problem...what is a problem is that right next to it is a PCI slot which I don't need, but it is higher than the PCIE slot that the 9800 GT will reside in. Since it is such a wide card, it needs two slots, but it will most probably not have room because of the PCI slot. Is this a problem I should worry about? Is there anyway I can cut it down or take out the PCI slot since I wont need it?
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a b U Graphics card
May 5, 2011 5:55:12 AM

reparadocs said:
In addition, I just checked out my mobo. It only had one PCIE spot which isnt a problem...what is a problem is that right next to it is a PCI slot which I don't need, but it is higher than the PCIE slot that the 9800 GT will reside in. Since it is such a wide card, it needs two slots, but it will most probably not have room because of the PCI slot. Is this a problem I should worry about? Is there anyway I can cut it down or take out the PCI slot since I wont need it?


No cutting lol! I've seen people cut an AGP card to fit into a pcie slot. No it shouldn't be a problem at all. The cooler will extend over the PCI slot but it will have been built with that in mind. Meaning the PCI slot should not be in the way of installing the card.
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May 5, 2011 6:01:03 AM

Ok thanks a lot! Ill be sure to do that when I get my new card...can't wait... 4-7 days approximately tho although Ive heard TigerDirect is faster :D 
Thanks for all your help guys!
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a c 376 U Graphics card
May 5, 2011 11:24:59 AM

I was looking at this card when I said it is one of the models without the power connector;
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/ite...
But I guess that $50 price is after rebate so the EVGA card is a better choice. That model does need a power connector however. It also uses more power than the other model. What PSU is in your system exactly? If it already has a 6-pin power connector then you will not need to buy an adapter. If it doesn't then you will but it also means the PSU might not be powerful enough for the card so give us the brand/model.

EDIT: Looking at it further this card seems a bit odd. It does need the power connector but for some reason it is clocked at 525mhz. A standard 9800GT is clocked at 600mhz and even the version without the power connector is usually 550mhz so I have no idea why this one is so low. Also if you scroll down the card only has a 3 month warranty and is provided by someone I never heard of. You may be better off getting that Zotac model I linked above which is clocked higher and has a lifetime warranty from the actual manufacturer.
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a c 214 U Graphics card
May 5, 2011 9:20:51 PM

Yes go with the lifetime warranrty.

Yes the 5830 is the best card out of the ones here but that would mean you have to get a new PSU to run it.
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a c 173 U Graphics card
May 5, 2011 10:11:47 PM

This is actually very sad, the 9800gt is one of the few cards that I would actually respect and personally own two. Those crippled 9800gt with low clocks and no connector will never live up to the true performance that helped made this card once legendary like the 8800gt. Since it is clocked around 525mhz there could be a chance that It was clocked lower still to reduce power further or they used a 65nm sample and had to limit load consumption. A 55nm green edition loads around 60w at stock while a 55nm version with the connector is around 70w~. 65nm version with the connector loads at 84w typically same as the 3870 and 5770. Overclocked the 65nm cards max out at 105w while the 55nm are slightly less due to lower voltage to the core as well the die shrink.

As you can tell I know the g92 very well.
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May 5, 2011 11:28:10 PM

:o  I already ordered it last night :( 
Since I already ordered it, should I return it as soon as it arrives?
Or should I just keep it? (Will it go bad after 3 months)
In addition, since it is clocked so low, is it still a good deal???
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May 5, 2011 11:31:00 PM

Also, I thought EVGA had a lifetime warranty?
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a c 376 U Graphics card
May 5, 2011 11:44:06 PM

You could check if it has shipped yet. If not you can probably cancel it and go for the other one. If not I wouldn't worry about it too much. It's still a decent deal I guess for only $50. You can try overclocking it up to the standard 600mhz. It will likely work. I have no idea what's up with that warranty to be honest but if it lasts the 3 months it's probably fine. Honestly I've never even had a card go bad on me over the last decade or so but I may be lucky.
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May 6, 2011 12:08:41 AM

ok just a few questions... I don't want to decrease the lifespan of the card... I don't buy cards frequently and I'll probably use this one for the next 4-5 years
so 1) Are you sure a 3 month warranty will cut it? I dont want it to suddenly stop working in 6 months and then have no options but to buy a new card
2) Doesn't EVGA have a lifetime warranty?
3) What tool should I use to overclock the card?
4) How much should I overclock the card in memory and in the core clock? I don't want to decrease the lifespan, but at the same time I want to overclock it...
5) I saw an akimbo review where the card has a part of the cooler located on the back, whereas this card (through the pics) seems to have no cooling on the back of the card.....Is this a problem?
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a c 214 U Graphics card
May 6, 2011 12:10:16 AM

If your going to be using this card for the next couple of years I would return it when you get it and get something better.
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May 6, 2011 12:16:42 AM

I am not really looking for a high end graphics card though. I really just want to be able to play Starcraft 2, Portal 2, future and past valve games, and maybe a few games that come out in the future... I just want to make sure this card won't die on me

with 525 core clock speed, it can still play most games that aren't DX11 pretty well, right?
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a c 214 U Graphics card
May 6, 2011 12:57:00 AM

Yah in fact it sohuld be fine for your resoultion.SC2 and Portal 2 don't even use DX11.I'm just saying to get something new because your buying a card thats already 2 years old and you want it to last for a couple more.Just don't see the point in investing money in old tech.
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a c 173 U Graphics card
May 6, 2011 1:07:45 AM

reparadocs said:
ok just a few questions... I don't want to decrease the lifespan of the card... I don't buy cards frequently and I'll probably use this one for the next 4-5 years
so 1) Are you sure a 3 month warranty will cut it? I dont want it to suddenly stop working in 6 months and then have no options but to buy a new card
2) Doesn't EVGA have a lifetime warranty?
3) What tool should I use to overclock the card?
4) How much should I overclock the card in memory and in the core clock? I don't want to decrease the lifespan, but at the same time I want to overclock it...
5) I saw an akimbo review where the card has a part of the cooler located on the back, whereas this card (through the pics) seems to have no cooling on the back of the card.....Is this a problem?


you better buy a very high quality card if you expect it to last any ware near that long. Most upgrade every few months to two years before the card fails or at that moment when the card is barely functioning. Cards these days are no longer idiot proof like they used to be.
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May 6, 2011 2:30:37 AM

Eh...Don't have that much money, and Ill get a better card in two-three years...I was hoping for a longer lifespan cause in my old computer there was a Radeon X500/X1050 and it lasted for 8 years...granted, it couldn't play many games, but it lasted for a really long time. I can put up with the graphics card not being able to play much as I usually use my xbox to do gaming...but I want to make sure since its from a shady manufacturer that it won't break down in like 6 months or something...
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a c 173 U Graphics card
May 6, 2011 2:38:17 AM

EVGA isn't shady unlike Palit or Sparkle. EVGA, Asus, and MSI are the best you are going to get with Nvidia. Overall quality has sunk with most cards these days and use much more power so that complicates things. So yes they designed their cards so that they do fail and not last as long as they used to. You won't find very many that will last 40,000+ or more in a office or educational setting knowing how power and cooling factor into things.
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May 6, 2011 2:59:11 AM

They make the cards last for a shorter time :o 
So how long approximately will my card last?
Also, can you tell me how much you would reccommend me to overslock it in memory and the core clock?
As to the manufacturer, I was referring to Smith Systems, not EVGa. Smith Systems are the ones who are providing the 3 month warranty. I have not heard of them and dont know whether the card is manufactured well, etc.
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May 6, 2011 3:21:43 AM

reparadocs said:
Its a Rosewill 500w
Either this:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Or this:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

What games are coming out on DX11 that I will miss out on if I choose the 9800 GT?
Also, there is a Radeon 5830 on TigerDirect for 100$, but I am not sure if I want to pay that much...


5830 is a bad card, if i were you i would pick either gtx 460se or 6790/6850, but since we don't know how much you willing to spend i'd say neither are good choice for gaming these day. if you still with dx9/10 9800gt/5830 will pretty much able to handle in acceptable rate, except 5830 runs hotter than 9800gt which i won't pick it if i were you. but if you insist to have dx11 you'll definitely be handicap by the poor performance of 5830.

which means, if you just want to play some casual game, go get 9800gt, but if you want dx11 & some hardcore graphic demand you'd better off getting 6850 or gtx 460se. trust me it is pain in the ass play any dx11 title with card like 5670/5770....
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a c 376 U Graphics card
May 6, 2011 10:22:02 AM

GTX 460 SE? Now that's a useless card. The GTX 460 768mb is better and usually cheaper. The HD5830 is a fine card for $100. It's big and less power efficient than it should be but it only uses slightly more than the SE you are recommending and it's actually slightly faster as well while costing about $50 less.
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a c 173 U Graphics card
May 6, 2011 1:31:56 PM

Don't bother with the gtx 460 and some models of the gtx 560 ti if it does not have any power vrm and or vram cooling. Those that are lacking will likely sustain a higher rate of failure and have a overall life span less than 10,000 hours. You are better off going ati on this one and modding the card like a cheap 5770. 84w at load on stock volts and clocks while topping out at the same wattage as a 65nm 9800gt of 105w give or take to leave a small margin of error. They are made to perform and to quickly sell but not last. Two or three years tops and then it is usually artifcats ect. Modern cards are not like a 6800gt that lasts for 6 or 7 years then die or a tnt2 that lasts for over a decade or that old pci trident that keeps up for what 15 years that only draws as much power as a 486.

5770 or a lower wattage card with a bulky cooler. Avoid single slot unless for the low end that are also very low power.
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a c 214 U Graphics card
May 6, 2011 1:38:36 PM

You could always go with the 6670.It is the new version of the 5670.It's a slight improvement but it will likely last the longest.

EDIT: Nevremind I just saw they are priced $20 more than the old 5670.Not a good deal then.The 6770 is however priced at $100 making it a good deal.
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May 6, 2011 4:27:27 PM

I still have to decide whether or not to return the 9800 GT, so can you please answer these questions:
So how long approximately will my card last?
Also, can you tell me how much you would reccommend me to overslock it in memory and the core clock?
As to the manufacturer, I was referring to Smith Systems, not EVGa. Smith Systems are the ones who are providing the 3 month warranty. I have not heard of them and dont know whether the card is manufactured well, etc.
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a b U Graphics card
May 6, 2011 4:28:00 PM

HD5750 vs. 9800GT is the more appropriate comparison, the 5750 has Dx11 which is a nice feat.
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a c 214 U Graphics card
May 6, 2011 5:05:01 PM

I'm not sure how well that 9800GT will O.C. since it doesn't have the power connector, i'm assuming it's more of an energy saving design and those aren't really meant to be O.C.'d.And I have never heard of Smith Systems before must be a re-seller.I would return that once you get it.
Can't really give you a good answer but i'm sure jyjjy can help you more than I on that.
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a c 376 U Graphics card
May 6, 2011 5:12:05 PM

purple stank said:
I'm not sure how well that 9800GT will O.C. since it doesn't have the power connector, i'm assuming it's more of an energy saving design and those aren't really meant to be O.C.'d.And I have never heard of Smith Systems before must be a re-seller.I would return that once you get it.
Can't really give you a good answer but i'm sure jyjjy can help you more than I on that.

The card he is getting actually does have a power connector so that shouldn't limit an OC.
EVGA is a good brand but that warranty is just odd. Usually you'll ge secondary warranties like that on refurbished stuff but I'm not seeing anything like that mentioned on the page. No one can tell you for sure how long a card will last but apart from some design flaw like nforce was mentioning usually if they are going to fail they'll do it fairly early on or right off the bat in my experience. In short if you are willing to take your chances then keep the card. It is only $50. If not ship it back and go for the card with the lifetime warranty and wait a few months to get the rebate back. It's up to you.
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