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May 9, 2011 3:59:26 PM

built a new i5-2500k gaming build, first build ever. Haven't gamed in a while, but getting back to it now.
Basically i have been looking at 560 Ti and 6950 2gbs, i will be gaming on a 24 inch monitor(which i still need to buy, any recommendations would be great)

Shooters like BF2, BF3 (in fall), future RTS's and mmo, and steam games

Also, i will be watching movies often on my 55 inch led tv.

---SO, i don't know if a certain brand is better recommended for certain tasks; and i also dont know what numbers to look at and what all those shaders , core clock mean.

Correct me if im wrong, but research has shown me that:
__the 2gb for large displays--will it be a major difference?
__and the 560s are closer to 950 mhz and the radeons are closer to 800mhz( something's gotta give)

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May 9, 2011 4:48:24 PM

Ok. Both of them are good cards :D 
But i would say for gaming wise the 6950 is a very nice card. With that 2 gb of memory in it you should be able to watch FULL HD movies without a problem.
And with upcoming games like BF3 which looks awsome graphics wise you will definatly need a good card to set yourself up for that.
Happy Gaming :) 
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May 9, 2011 4:56:02 PM

I would go with the 6950 2GB, and get a reference model, which will allow you to unlock it into a 6970. Oh, and BTW, the 6950/70 cards are in competition with the GTX 570, the 560 actually wouldn't stand a fair chance against the 6950 2GB.

for the info, New Radeon cards are better for multiple monitors at high resolutions, not necessarily larger displays. If your LED TV is a 1080p, then get the 6950 2GB and you won't be sorry.
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May 9, 2011 9:28:13 PM

The 560ti and 6950 are going to provide you with roughly the same level of performance. If you don't benchmark or read tech reviews you probably won't notice the difference. Here are some things to consider:

- The 6950 to 6970 BIOS flash is available but not everyone is comfortable doing this mod. It's pretty safe and simple but it can void your warranty- decide if the risk is worth it. There are a lot of resources and guides around on how to do it.

- If you decide not to BIOS flash a 6950, the 1GB puts up pretty much identical performance for a bit less money when you're using a single monitor. Just keep that in mind. Not everyone needs the 2GB version- that's why they make the 1GB.

- AMD and NVidia cards use different architectures so the running speeds are not an apples to apples comparison. Take a quick look at reviews for the cards you are considering (particularly the performance charts for various games). It will go a long way in understanding what your different options bring to the table.

You can't go wrong with either card. Either will perform great at your resolution!
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May 10, 2011 12:15:42 AM

6950 is the way to go, bigger screens isnt neccisarily what those 2gbs of gddr5 is advertised for, its multiple monitors(up to 6 on 1 card) and verry high resolutions(reaching over 2560x1600!!! As for gaming, the 6950 will DESTROY THE 560ti as it is more comparable to a 570, also if you flash the shaders(not the memory and voltage which causes problems) you can unlock it to the level of a 6970 which blows a 560ti out of the water and competes head to head( as in .15 fps differences) with a 580! As a NVIDIA fanboy i had second thougts because of physx, well thats simple, buy a lower end gts 550/450/425/etc and dedicate it to physx! Then you all set to go and with an i5 2500k ( i would get one of the upcoming 1155 i7s when they come out) and a nice card youl be able to handle all of the upcoming 2011 and 12/ and most 13 games at oustanding resolutions and speeds! As for the movies on the big screen, it would be a shame to waste such a nice screen, a nice blueray drive for your rig would be a recomended buy! And to refer to the 560ti being 900mhz core clock and the 6950 being 800ish/ the 6950 still has more cores/ shaders/etc so will beat out a 560 without sweat! Good luck and happy buying!
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May 10, 2011 12:25:39 AM

Lol, in this thread: Fanboys.

If you don't mind BIOS flashing/unlocking the 6950 2GB to a 6970 is the way to go. Hands down, amazing price to performance.

If you are only using one monitor 1GB will be enough memory for you. With a 24 inch monitor a 1920X1080/1920x1200 resolution is going to be your sweet spot. LG, Samsung, Asus, and Acer all make great monitors.

According to benchmarks I feel like saying "DESTROY THE 560ti" is completely unfair. While it is on a fair amount better, the 560Ti actually beats the 6970 sometimes. The 6970 is about 15 percent better than the GTX 560ti on average. Obviously the 6970 is supposed to be on par with a GTX 570 while a 6950 is supposed to be on par with a GTX 560ti, I'm just saying "destroy the 560ti" is extremely unfair.

GTX 560ti vs 6970

http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/330?vs=292

GTX 560ti vs 6950 2GB

http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/330?vs=293

GTX 560ti vs 6950 1GB

http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/330?vs=331

Performance summary of the 6950, included is the 6970 and 560ti

http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/Powercolor/HD_6950_V...

Let facts help make your decisions.
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May 10, 2011 4:08:56 AM

the flashed 6950 is at par with the 580 it many cases, i dont beliave anadtechs benchmarks are very reliable as they are not real benchmarks but caclulated estimates. That gets you very close but still not as accurate as an actual gameplay benchmark, i would recomend you base your "facts" on actual results. I am not on this website to argue with a fanboy about ati and nvidia, i am simply trying to help chchom by giving a valued opinion and HARD FACTS to prove that an unlocked 6950 is byfar more powerful and a better deal then a 560ti. If you dont rember this "---SO, i don't know if a certain brand is better recommended for certain tasks; and i also dont know what numbers to look at and what all those shaders , core clock mean.

Correct me if im wrong, but research has shown me that:
__the 2gb for large displays--will it be a major difference?
__and the 560s are closer to 950 mhz and the radeons are closer to 800mhz( something's gotta give)" maybe it could help you to rember and stay on topic for this thread and to make helpful posts.
They are both great cards but a flashed 6950 is an unbeatable value and largely surrpasses the 560ti. Certain softwares favor certain cards, a 560 will beating a 6970 is usualy the result of a driver or software bug resulting in an unreliable outlier. Now if you will excuse me i have a life to attend to, any response would be futile as i would cease to respond to or acknowledge such a remark as to a 560ti's inferior graphics abbilities having equal or greater then peformance values of a 6970...good day to you.
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a c 153 U Graphics card
May 10, 2011 4:18:04 AM

Uhh, ok, then look at the techpower up benchmarks that I posted as well, or are you gong to say those aren't "real" also? Or did you just skip those? By the way, Aanddtechs benchmarks are actual benchmarks.

Also if you actually READ my post, you would know I ALSO said a flashed 6950 2GB is the best option as well. So I don't know what you are trying to argue here.

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If you don't mind BIOS flashing/unlocking the 6950 2GB to a 6970 is the way to go. Hands down, amazing price to performance.


I also stated the average performance difference between a 6970 and a 560ti, what I was getting at is your misuse of the word "destroy". I was not arguing the fact a 6970 is (clearly) better than a 560ti.

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Obviously the 6970 is supposed to be on par with a GTX 570 while a 6950 is supposed to be on par with a GTX 560ti, I'm just saying "destroy the 560ti" is extremely unfair.


You obviously did not read my post, and did not even take a look at the links I posted.

The fact of the matter still remains, the use of the world "destroy" (in bold letters I might add) is misleading and does not give the original poster a true representation of the facts at hand.

EDIT - And you know what, lets take a look at TomsHardware benchmarks themselves. Since you don't trust anyone else.

http://www.tomshardware.com/charts/2011-gaming-graphics...

I don't see anything being "destroyed" there.
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May 10, 2011 11:34:01 AM

both cards are great... in fact, hd 6950 helds the edge in performance over a stock gtx 560 ti... but there are some facts you need to know before making your purchase...

- both cards are guaranteed able to play bf3 and etc. the question is.. at what settings?

- little to no impact in performance to justify the loss of 1gb memory

- watching movies in fact is not a heavy task for a gpu... so even you have a card that has 1gb memory or less... it still adequate for doing such tasks...

- ok.. back to gaming... when you need 2gb memory for gaming(i mean when you really start to need it) you can ready to splash your cash once again to upgrade your gpu...
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May 10, 2011 3:24:22 PM

phenom90 said:
both cards are great... in fact, hd 6950 helds the edge in performance over a stock gtx 560 ti... but there are some facts you need to know before making your purchase...

- both cards are guaranteed able to play bf3 and etc. the question is.. at what settings?

- little to no impact in performance to justify the loss of 1gb memory

- watching movies in fact is not a heavy task for a gpu... so even you have a card that has 1gb memory or less... it still adequate for doing such tasks...

- ok.. back to gaming... when you need 2gb memory for gaming(i mean when you really start to need it) you can ready to splash your cash once again to upgrade your gpu...


the only thing i would be doing on the 55 inch would be movies, all gaming would be done on a new 24inch ish monitor

1gb should suffice?
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May 11, 2011 12:10:20 AM

yes 1gb would be fine but 2gbs would be "finer"...hahaha. Its realy simply a base of preference as the fps difference drop isnt drastic and wouldnt be verry noticable, i would reccomend a 2gb anyways
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a b U Graphics card
May 11, 2011 12:18:01 AM

BFBC prefers AMD over Nvidia, and the hd6950 and GTX 560 are neck and neck. The hd6950 should edge out in those games. Also, the new BFBC should be pretty GPU intensive, so I think the 2gb vRAM might help you out there. I would grab the hd6950 2gb if I were you.
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May 11, 2011 1:04:51 AM

do any of you have experience with a 2gb 6950

Also,will i be fine with a non-reference or should i try looking for a reference if there are any left, maybe on amazon? The reference design cooling doesnt look great, especially since your gonna be flashing it.

last, will this be enough power for Xfire *crossing fingers* http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
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a b U Graphics card
May 11, 2011 1:09:50 AM

You can't unlock a non-reference hd6950. That should be enough power, but if I were you, I would get a 750w or a 800w.
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May 11, 2011 10:59:35 AM

for now, 1gb card will do just fine gaming on 1920 x 1080 resolution... unless you want to gaming beyond that resolution... so if you really want that 2gb memory... what i can find is below...

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

this is the only stock hd 6950 available if you purchase from here... not sure if you find somewhere else.... it should be no problem flashing bios to hd 6970...

if you decide that you don't need that 2gb and want save some money...

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

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a b U Graphics card
May 11, 2011 4:16:05 PM

phenom90 said:
for now, 1gb card will do just fine gaming on 1920 x 1080 resolution... unless you want to gaming beyond that resolution... so if you really want that 2gb memory... what i can find is below...

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

this is the only stock hd 6950 available if you purchase from here... not sure if you find somewhere else.... it should be no problem flashing bios to hd 6970...

if you decide that you don't need that 2gb and want save some money...

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

I have a feeling that BFBC3 will eat up more than 1gb vRAM at that res.
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a b U Graphics card
May 11, 2011 4:20:30 PM

Just to straighten this out, someone said that the hhd6950 and hd6970 were up with the GTX 570 and GTX 580, that person is WRONG! The hd6970 is getting up to the performance of a GTX 570 and beats it in a few tests. The GTX 580 is the best.
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May 12, 2011 11:03:06 AM

even if bfbc 3 will turn out to be a very demanding game... it is not necessarily demanding in vram department... having more ram doesn't mean that you can play that particular game smoothly at max detail... it depends on other factor as well.... crysis is a good example...
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May 12, 2011 11:11:25 AM

6950 is more powerful than 560ti.
Although 1GB memory should be fine but i still recommend 2GB model.
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a b U Graphics card
May 12, 2011 11:43:10 AM

OK, lets get the facts right:
1.BFBC 2 plays equally well on AMD and NVIDIA cards if you have the current drivers.

2.Some non-reference models of the HD 6950 can be unlocked.

3.I've heard from these forums that some of the newer batches of 6950's can't be unlocked.Not sure if this is 100% true, but again, you have to consider that this unlocking thing is a matter of luck, even though the success rates are high.

4.The GTX 560Ti and the HD 6950 2GB are very evenly matched.They trade blows in different games, with the HD 6950 nudging ahead when you play at 2560x1600 or have loads of AA thrown at it.I'd recommend to get a card on which you get a better deal.
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May 12, 2011 11:48:30 AM

msi gtx 560 ti twin frozr ii oc is the card to buy... hd 6950 is faster than gtx 560 ti by not much but it is also more expensive than gtx 560 ti... at 1920 x 1080 resolution on a single screen... gaming 2gb is irrelevant...
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a b U Graphics card
May 12, 2011 4:44:11 PM

phenom90 said:
even if bfbc 3 will turn out to be a very demanding game... it is not necessarily demanding in vram department... having more ram doesn't mean that you can play that particular game smoothly at max detail... it depends on other factor as well.... crysis is a good example...

Yes, but when you turn up the AA, AF, and all details, it will be more demanding in the vRAM area too.
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May 13, 2011 3:04:59 AM

okay after doing some extra research, i retract the statement of a flashed 6950 "destroying a 560" but i would also like to say that instead that if you get lucky and unlock the shaders it would be a better deal!
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a b U Graphics card
May 13, 2011 3:30:46 AM

sofyanator said:
okay after doing some extra research, i retract the statement of a flashed 6950 "destroying a 560" but i would also like to say that instead that if you get lucky and unlock the shaders it would be a better deal!

Yes, that is the truth!
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May 13, 2011 10:54:23 AM

6950 for the extra performance and 560 ti for tight budget...
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