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Need advice on radeon 5770 vs gtx 460 768 mb ?

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May 13, 2011 9:14:35 AM

Hello,
I have been looking at these two graphic cards to buy and I know that gtx 460 768 mb is more powerful.I live in India and I can get a 5770 for Rs.7000($150-160) and a 460 768 mb for Rs.8000($180)
My main question is that is it worth to spend extra $20-30 on 460 768mb.
My specs-
Intel core 2 duo e7500@2.93ghz
2GB DDR2 RAM
ASUS P5KPL-AM/PS motherboard
Power supply-I dont know the model but it has an INTEX label on it and it says 450Watts.

APPROXIMATE PURCHASE DATE-Next month
USAGE FROM MOST TO LEAST IMPORTANT-Gaming only.I want to play Assassin's creed -brotherhood,Crysis 2 , F1-2010,GTA-4 and Metro 2033 on high settings.Though I can afford to reduce AA if necessary.Physx ,3d vision or eyefinity is not necessary.
Preffered brand-MSI,ASUS,Sapphire
OVERCLOCKING-Not necessary if my card runs all the games.But if not ,I can think about it.
MONITOR RESOLUTION-1360x768
ADDITIONAL COMMENTS-If gtx 460 768mb delievers great performance for its additional price,then it will be my choice.If it is a waste to spend extra money,then 5770 will be my choice.The card should also run cool.
Also tell that will I have to change my power supply?
a c 169 U Graphics card
May 13, 2011 9:39:21 AM

Hello and welcome to the forums
GTX 460 is notably faster than 5770 but both cards can handle every game fine on the resolution you play at;furthermore,it's important to know the specs of your PSU.Also I recommend upgrading to 4GB RAM(if you can afford it).It'll give you a decent boost over your GTX 460
Overall,GTX 460 is definitely worth the extra $20
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May 13, 2011 9:43:44 AM

Thanks for the reply.
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May 13, 2011 1:42:40 PM

How much memory on the 5770? Assuming it's a 1G card you could buy that and save the $20 to buy more memory. If it's a 512 just get the 460 and save up lunch money for the RAM. You *really* need to get more RAM.
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May 13, 2011 2:27:22 PM

I am looking for a 1G Card
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May 13, 2011 2:33:13 PM

I've got 8G RAM with Win7 x64 Ultimate. With a 5770 I play Black Ops with AA x4 and everything else set highest on a 23" 1920x1080 monitor.
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a b U Graphics card
May 13, 2011 2:36:55 PM

:lol:  ^black ops is ***, not a good game to gauge performance with being that it is dx9 and poorly coded

OP: the gtx 460 768 is notably faster like maziar said, you do not need a 1 gig card for a virtual 720p resolution, the 5770 will give you less performance then the 460 so therefore it makes no sense to say "I want a 1 gig card" in your above post because it is not doing anything for you at your current res
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May 15, 2011 9:57:06 AM

So should i go for a 460 768 mb?Is it worth to spend extra on it?
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a b U Graphics card
May 15, 2011 10:06:11 AM

The GTX 460 768 MB is around 15-20% faster than the HD 5770. So you get 15-20% more performance by spending 14.3% more than the HD 5770.So, that means that the GTX 460 is better.

However you will have to get a new PSU as Intex PSUs are crap.
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a b U Graphics card
May 15, 2011 8:32:15 PM

get a new psu and then get a gtx 460 768 mb if you can afford it, if not go for a 5770, I recently bought I single slot diamond 5770 for $100 (open box) at frys electronics for a secondary gaming rig at 720p and I have to say that I am quite pleased, I am using a athlon II 240 regor @ 3.5ghz with stock cooling and a sufficiently aircooled case and the above mentioned 5770 and am getting very nice performance from putting together some old parts...

anyways for me 100 for the 5770 was better price/performance then getting the gtx 460 768mb which was about 150 minus a small rebate, anyways I'm just saying with a lowly oc'ed dual core and a 5770 @ 720 with all high settings and reasonable AA is rarely going below 60 fps for me, and in the end it is more then enough performance for this type of rig, the choice is yours but that is my .02 cents

the only con I can really think of getting the 5770 is the fact that that it doesnt oc at all without having serious visual issues, not that I was expecting it to being that it was a single slot but really the extra performance is really not needed to drive a single 720p display on an old dual core rig right now, if I was looking to max 1080p reses out then I can play on my sig below
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May 16, 2011 11:26:59 AM

what is 720p and 1080p?Thanks for your good reply :) 
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a b U Graphics card
May 16, 2011 11:32:17 AM

720p= 1280x720 resolution
1080p= 1920x1080 resolution
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May 16, 2011 11:43:14 AM

Thanx :) 
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a b U Graphics card
May 16, 2011 12:50:10 PM

If that 5770 was 120-140 as it's normally priced, I would have headed in that direction.
Otherwise as stated, the 460 is better being that it's only 20$ more. At the resolution you're playing though, both would handle higher settings for most if not all games.
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a b U Graphics card
May 16, 2011 2:31:04 PM

yeah like I said above the 5770 and a my Athlon II 240 @ 3.5ghz does well at 720p, although for games that utilize quads you will be left out with your dual core but, it a budget gaming rig so what do you expect.

Before you do anything I would get a new psu and another 2 gigs of RAM if you expect to have some semblance of a gaming rig
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a b U Graphics card
May 16, 2011 4:19:46 PM

Also a good reason to get the extra ram is that you can find 2gb for around 20-30$, or just stick with a new pack with 4gb for around 50-70$. Although I don't know the normal pricing from where you're at since the 5770 is usually around 100-120$ and the 460 768 model is at 150$.
So get more Ram, pick up a better Power Supply and then finally get a new GPU. By that time the 460 1gb may be within your price range, or a 6850/70.
Finally, what Windows OS are you using? Even with 32bit I would suggest 4gb of ram but it would be useful to know if you're running Windows Vista/7.
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a b U Graphics card
May 16, 2011 4:25:51 PM

yeah you are better off buying a new 4 gig dual channel kit of ram for 50 or so then it can run in dual channel mode or else your rig will be seriously held back imo.

although its been stated several times already, the OP needs to get a new psu and they should know the value of having a quality psu, it is important, here are a couple recommendations for a psu that is capable of runing a gtx 460/ 5850 level of gpu:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
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a b U Graphics card
May 16, 2011 4:32:17 PM

jjb8675309 said:
yeah you are better off buying a new 4 gig dual channel kit of ram for 50 or so then it can run in dual channel mode or else your rig will be seriously held back imo.

although its been stated several times already, the OP needs to get a new psu and they should know the value of having a quality psu, it is important, here are a couple recommendations for a psu that is capable of runing a gtx 460/ 5850 level of gpu:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

I understand the Corsair model, but isn't 2 rails at 16 Amps somewhat bad considering the price?
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a b U Graphics card
May 16, 2011 4:40:23 PM

yeah whoops, I didnt notice that, always just thought the earthwatts psus were good being that toms uses them in almost all the budget builds but I have never looked at the specs... you are right it is not worth the money... the corsair builders series is a much better choice, so therefore, OP: disregaurd the earthwatts psu and get this:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

thanks for clarifying dalta centauri
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a b U Graphics card
May 16, 2011 4:42:18 PM

^@Dalta Centauri: just out of curiosity what do you use your 12 gb of ram for? Vmware? video editing?
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a b U Graphics card
May 16, 2011 5:13:39 PM

jjb8675309 said:
^@Dalta Centauri: just out of curiosity what do you use your 12 gb of ram for? Vmware? video editing?

I go about making videos and animations through Maya and Cinema 4D, with just a mediocre amount of dabbling in photoshop. Plus the price was good at the time.

Truthfully, I know little to nothing about Power Supplies. I went from an old Rosewill 500 that had 2 rails at 20A and was somewhat failing to a Corsair 650, well worth the price difference.
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a b U Graphics card
May 16, 2011 6:07:31 PM

yeah I agree, I always used lower end psus, but then again never had a really demanding gpu, after purchasing my XFX XXX 650W PSU I have never looked back, ran my system below and 6870 crossfire (with an oc) with no problem whatsoever other than the crossfire drivers being terrible :) 

In the end a eveyone should do their systems a favor and get a decent quality psu..

I have actually heard of people using certain rosewill psus in some basic gaming rigs without issue, but there is really no telling...

I have a second hand gaming rig that I mentioned earlier in this thread which runs on a coolmax v600 which is obviously not a great psu but it has proven to provide decent specs and at one point ran crossfire 5770s (not that it is too demanding) at one point. So for a single 5770 I know its fine...

but for my nice rig belowVV I would never put some garbage psu in and risk all the components
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a b U Graphics card
May 16, 2011 6:51:31 PM

jjb8675309 said:
yeah I agree, I always used lower end psus, but then again never had a really demanding gpu, after purchasing my XFX XXX 650W PSU I have never looked back, ran my system below and 6870 crossfire (with an oc) with no problem whatsoever other than the crossfire drivers being terrible :) 

In the end a eveyone should do their systems a favor and get a decent quality psu..

I have actually heard of people using certain rosewill psus in some basic gaming rigs without issue, but there is really no telling...

I have a second hand gaming rig that I mentioned earlier in this thread which runs on a coolmax v600 which is obviously not a great psu but it has proven to provide decent specs and at one point ran crossfire 5770s (not that it is too demanding) at one point. So for a single 5770 I know its fine...

but for my nice rig belowVV I would never put some garbage psu in and risk all the components

Only other concern was my motherboard. Hell, Overclock.net has a whole thread on why a number of MSI motherboards are terrible. Personally, I've owned my cheap end (Cheap as in a DDR3 Crossfire mobo for 70$) MSI mobo for 2 years now and it has worked smoothly. Buying a cheap motherboard could end up with some problems, but I was lucky that mine worked as well as it has. Once my computer began to fail I was trying to figure if it was the mobo or psu, decided to try a new psu and found it to work great, turned out the Rosewill wasn't getting a stable connection to the 4 pin slot.

As well, I love my Vapor-X 5770. It overclocks well and it has decent cooling, bought it a few months before the 460 came out and I'm not feeling any guilt over it. If I went and upgraded, it would probably be another mid to high end GPU. I have constantly used mid end GPUs, upgrading after 2-3 years.
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a b U Graphics card
May 16, 2011 7:15:38 PM

thats a good upgrade schedule I have jumped around a lot lately but intend on using my gtx 570 for as long as it can provide good performance at 1080p in the games that I play, the next big test will be BF3 for me, and Im thinking my rig will do fine.

I too have an msi board, works flawlessly, although its supposed to be a higher end micro atx board and allows for no voltage control for the cpu oh well I was still able to get it to 3.9ghz stable on stock or "Auto" volts, looking back I would have done fine with an 870 chipset based board an I use that same chipset on a gigabyte board that I use in my backup rig. I had crossfire 6870s and hated them for a laundry list of reasons but I will leave it at that
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May 17, 2011 6:19:59 AM

dalta centauri said:
Also a good reason to get the extra ram is that you can find 2gb for around 20-30$, or just stick with a new pack with 4gb for around 50-70$. Although I don't know the normal pricing from where you're at since the 5770 is usually around 100-120$ and the 460 768 model is at 150$.
So get more Ram, pick up a better Power Supply and then finally get a new GPU. By that time the 460 1gb may be within your price range, or a 6850/70.
Finally, what Windows OS are you using? Even with 32bit I would suggest 4gb of ram but it would be useful to know if you're running Windows Vista/7.

I am a bit short of money.So I guess I will go for a 5770.
Will it be able to run all games on high settings on 1360x768?I can afford to reduce AA.
I think the leftover money will be spent on either RAM or PSU.
But I want to ask that what is wrong with this PSU.I dont have a very power hungry system and the minimum recommended power supply for both 5770 and 460 is 450W.So can you please tell me a reason why I should change it?
If I wont have to get a new psu then i will definitely go for 460 768mb.Thanks for your reply. :) 
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May 17, 2011 6:23:11 AM

am using Win XP 32 Bit
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a c 169 U Graphics card
May 17, 2011 10:05:40 AM

ammu_10 said:
I am a bit short of money.So I guess I will go for a 5770.
Will it be able to run all games on high settings on 1360x768?I can afford to reduce AA.
I think the leftover money will be spent on either RAM or PSU.
But I want to ask that what is wrong with this PSU.I dont have a very power hungry system and the minimum recommended power supply for both 5770 and 460 is 450W.So can you please tell me a reason why I should change it?
If I wont have to get a new psu then i will definitely go for 460 768mb.Thanks for your reply. :) 

Yes you can max out all games with 5770 on 1366x768 resolution
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a b U Graphics card
May 17, 2011 11:14:27 AM

With Windows XP, I would reccomend a slightly weaker video card then. Can you find a 5670 that's drastically cheaper? The 5670 can game at that resolution and normally on high settings with AA as well, since the resolution isn't heavily taxing.

About the power supply, I haven't heard of Intex so that's why I suggest getting another one. The one you have seems to have enough power to give to the GPU, but if it doesn't have a 6 pin cable then you shouldn't bother pairing it with a 5770 or 460.
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a b U Graphics card
May 17, 2011 11:24:24 AM

I would definitly go with the 460, as it can process physx, and your cpu is not particulary strong so might get a decent benefit from it.
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May 18, 2011 5:06:19 AM

Recently,I have been interested in radeon 5750 .Is there any big difference between it and a 5770 as its price is really attractive?
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a b U Graphics card
May 18, 2011 5:30:15 AM

Open your computer and look to see how many free 6 pin pci-e connectors are coming out of your power supply. Google an image of "6 pin pci-e connector" if you dont know what it looks like.

Second, read off of the sticker on your power supply the number of Amps it has on the 12 volt rail, just look for 12V and see what it says. Also tell us if it has multiple 12V lines like 12V1, 12V2 etc.

With this information we should be able to guide you the best.

Ive owned an ati 4850 (equivalent to a 5750) and a gtx 460 768mb before, my system was faster than yours, but the 460 was about 50% better at stock than the 4850, but when overclocked (mine overclocked like a beast from 675 to 920) it was almost twice as good, reaching gtx 470 levels almost. So I recommend the 460 768 or 5770. The 5750 will let you play all games, probably high or close to, but it is a little weak these days.
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May 18, 2011 6:59:17 AM

I opened my case and sam that there were no 6-pin power connectors.They had only 4 pins.On the psu label this was written
Power supply smart IT 2045S+
450 Watt 20+4pin 1SATA 3HDD 1FDD 1FAN
AC Input- 220V 50HZ5A
DC Output-33V 30A+5V 29A+12V 1BA
12V 0.5A +5VSB:2A
I dont know what this means.Can someone please help me.
I fear that I will have to change the PSU.
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a b U Graphics card
May 18, 2011 11:22:07 AM

The Amperage looks good, but without a 6pin cable I wouldn't reccomend a card that needs a 6pin or more. A 5750 doesn't require a connector and can run most games at that resolution while also being cheaper.
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May 19, 2011 5:59:14 AM

But system requirement of 5750 state that it requires a 6 pin connector.
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a b U Graphics card
May 19, 2011 12:14:43 PM

Oh, I was thinking of a few models like from Powercolor that doesn't use a 6 pin.
Then a 5670 would be your choice, or a new power supply...
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May 19, 2011 1:58:16 PM

What is a 4 pin molex to six pin pci-e power adapter?Seems like it is a thing that can use two 4 pin connectors to work like a six pin connector.But i would like to know your thoughts about it.
And by the way,thnx for ur reply :) 
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a b U Graphics card
May 19, 2011 2:16:42 PM

The converter/adapter allows you to use 4pin connectors to act as a single 6 pin. Older Power Supplies and those that don't have a 6 pin connector might be able to use them to power a 5750/5770 but it may cause issues if the power supply doesn't have enough amperage. In your power supplies case, it should work; although I don't know the actual quality of the vendor. Most Graphic Cards that need a 6/8 pin will come with an adapter (Only 1 in most cases) because there are power supplies capable of running higher end GPUs but weren't designed for it.
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May 19, 2011 2:22:56 PM

Thanks.The adapter can save me a lot of money and I may be able to push my budget to get a gtx 460 768 mb. :) 
By the way,what brand do you recommend for ATI and Nvidia cards.In India MSI,ASUS,Sapphire ,Palit and Zotac are available.(Maybe XFX as well)
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a b U Graphics card
May 19, 2011 3:33:02 PM

ammu_10 said:
Thanks.The adapter can save me a lot of money and I may be able to push my budget to get a gtx 460 768 mb. :) 
By the way,what brand do you recommend for ATI and Nvidia cards.In India MSI,ASUS,Sapphire ,Palit and Zotac are available.(Maybe XFX as well)

Both MSi and Sapphire are good, other one would be Gigabyte. For Nvidia I would go with EVGA or Palit before Zotac.
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May 20, 2011 4:59:38 AM

dalta centauri said:
Both MSi and Sapphire are good, other one would be Gigabyte. For Nvidia I would go with EVGA or Palit before Zotac.

Thanks :) 
What is that vapor-x 5770 that you have.Is this the sapphire vapor edition?How does it perform?
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a b U Graphics card
May 20, 2011 11:09:55 AM

It's a 5770 with an after market cooler, runs quite cool and has decent overclocking potential. At the time it was about 20$ more than most 5770's but nowadays it's about the same price. I heard that the newer batch of Sapphire Vapor-X 5770's have been redesigned so they can't overclock as well though (Which might be a good reason you can find them online for the same price as other basic models.)
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May 20, 2011 2:37:23 PM

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a b U Graphics card
May 20, 2011 3:45:16 PM

If you are really considering a 5750, take one more look and at an Nvidia GTS 450. I am picking up one of these tonight here in the US. The card is 124 in store, but has a 50 dollar mail in rebate, making it 75. I think 450's can be found at the same price or cheaper than the 5750, but the salesman I talked to who's helped me with custom builds said that it was better performance than the 5750, so my guess is the performance is between those two. But judging by the fact it's a cheaper card, it may leave you money to get the ram/power supply. I do see the need for a power supply, but with 29 amps on the 12 v+ rail, make sure you have enough cooling around the power supply and it will probably be ok. I can attest to the fact that more ram helps. I have vista and when I originally got my system, I only had 2 gb, however, when I upgraded to 4 gb recently, it was noticeable. I'm intending to play at 1680x1050 and the guy I talked to said that even if I got the overclocked 450 I would not see the difference.
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May 20, 2011 6:55:47 PM

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