Will my 4400+ 2.3GHz bottleneck a 9800 gtx+?

[valcore]

Simple question before I buy the 9800 GTX+.

Will my AMD Athlon 64 X2 4400+ 2.3GHz bottleneck the 9800 GTX+??

I have 3GB RAM.

Please recommend me a card that will use it's full potential with this crap CPU if it will. Thanks

Resolution : 1440x900

Games : Source engine games, WoW, CoD: BO.

 

[HostileDonut]

Get a GT 240. You can play games on low - med. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814150475&cm_re=GT_240-_-14-150-475-_-Product $40 after rebate and shipped.

 

[HostileDonut]

I have a higher res and I played CoD BO on low and got great FPS with a GT 240. I use a hd6850 now though.

 

[valcore]

Get a GT 240. You can play games on low - med. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814150475&cm_re=GT_240-_-14-150-475-_-Product $40 after rebate and shipped.

Thanks for the reponse. I would like a "Better" graphics card thats somewhere around the 5770 or the GTX's. I have a GT220 now and it is TERRIBLE!

 

[HostileDonut]

Thanks for the reponse. I would like a "Better" graphics card thats somewhere around the 5770 or the GTX's. I have a GT220 now and it is TERRIBLE!

The GT 240 is much, much better than the GT 220. I have played it on the GT 240, it runs well on low settings. Also, you will bottleneck with a better card.

 

[nforce4max]

You need a cpu upgrade more than you need a new card. At that speed I will honestly dare to say that it might be barely enough for a gt240/gt440 or at least overclock then get the 9800gtx+ which is a 55nm card. I have more respect for a g92 than I do for a G106/116 which it can trade blows with a gts 450 on the low in some games that favor a more powerful architecture.

 

[valcore]

You need a cpu upgrade more than you need a new card. At that speed I will honestly dare to say that it might be barely enough for a gt240/gt440 or at least overclock then get the 9800gtx+ which is a 55nm card. I have more respect for a g92 than I do for a G106/116 which it can trade blows with a gts 450 on the low in some games that favor a more powerful architecture.

Is a AMD Athlon 64 X2 5600 2.8GHz or a AMD Athlon 64 X2 6000 3.0GHz a HUGE upgrade from a 4400+ 2.3GHz?? I can only use those type of CPU's for my motherboard (MCP61PM-GM) which i'm not willing to upgrade. Thanks

 

[dalauder]

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My Athlon 64 x2 5000+ (400MHz faster than yours per CPU) bottlenecked a 96 stream processor 9600GSO by a decent amount. Go check out NVidia's website and compare how many stream processors (CUDA Cores) each card has to get a rough idea of performance.

The GT220 has 48SPs, GT240 has 96SPs, 9800GTX+ 128SPs, GTX 460 336SPs, GTX 580 512SPs.

And overclocking your CPU will only yield maybe 220MHz. Those just don't OC too well and you won't fix the problem. Look up your motherboard on the manufacturer website and see which AM3 CPUs it supports. If you could drop in an Athlon II x3 or better, then you'd be good to go.

How much is the 9800GTX+? How much are you willing to spend? One good thing about a 9800GTX+ is that it's easy to find used GTS 250's to SLI with it for under $50.

Depending on your power supply, you probably want to get a Radeon 5670. It can work on a weak PSU (300W) and is probably faster than you CPU can handle anyways.

A GT220 can still be useful as a PhysX card (GT 240 is optimal for PhysX) or more so as a very low-end media card (it loses badly to low-end Radeons in video quality) or 2nd machine for low-end home LAN gaming. Consider installing MSI Afterburner and Kombustor and overclocking the GT240. I have a feeling it'll give you close to all that CPU can handle anyways.

 

[vilenjan]

You compare g92 and Fermi cores directly, head to head g92 cores are much faster (as much 50%) than a fermi core. For example, a 128 core 9800GTX is about as quick as a 192 core GTS450.

And to asnwer your original question, it depends on the game. Games that are GPU optimized will be fine with the 9800GTX, CPU bound games (like WoW and many console ports) would be limited by your CPU.

 

[dalauder]

Good point vilenjan. That's why I said roughly, but I didn't realize the G92/Fermi core performance was that different.

In that case, I guess, you should only count 2/3 of all 400 and 500 series CUDA cores if you want to compare them to other GPUs. But really, you should look at benchmarks because the core count thing is VERY ROUGH--but a handy card-to-card reference.

 

[dalauder]

A Nvidia GPU isn't "better" at ANY specific resolution. It's worse at some (notably where the 2GB of high-end Radeons comes into play at 2560x1600 and other high resolutions.

A GTS 450 for $79 after rebates is a decent price for a GPU though. But since his Athlon x2 4400+ will be bottlenecked by a $50 9800GT (no rebates), I don't see any reason to recommend it.

OP, we've told you some options. What do you want to do?

 

[valcore]

A Nvidia GPU isn't "better" at ANY specific resolution. It's worse at some (notably where the 2GB of high-end Radeons comes into play at 2560x1600 and other high resolutions.

A GTS 450 for $79 after rebates is a decent price for a GPU though. But since his Athlon x2 4400+ will be bottlenecked by a $50 9800GT (no rebates), I don't see any reason to recommend it.

OP, we've told you some options. What do you want to do?

If I'm going to get an 9800 GTX+, I know it will be bottlenecked but am I going to get the MAX fps I can pull with the GPU with this CPU?

 

[valcore]

Compare the GTX 560 Ti and HD6950 performance

http://tpucdn.com/reviews/Powercolor/HD_6950_Vortex_II/images/bfbc2_1024_768.gif
http://tpucdn.com/reviews/Powercolor/HD_6950_Vortex_II/images/bfbc2_1920_1200.gif

where did that come from?Lol I never said anything about a 6950 .

 

[iam2thecrowe]

get a gt240 ddr5 version. its MUCH better than a gt220. your processor will even bottleneck a gt240 so there is REALLY no point getting anything better.

 

[vilenjan]

U WILL NOT bottleneck a 240GT and in some case, will not even bottleneck a 250GTS (for GPU intensive games).

Again it all depends on the game, if you are playing something older that was designed before the era of fully programmable sharers (like WoW), than yes, but most newer games are heavily GPU dependent.

IMO go with a 9800GTX or a 250GTS (same card for the msot part) or maybe even a radeon 5750. And with a 5750 you can always crossfire a pair down the road if you upgrade the CPU.

 

[valcore]

U WILL NOT bottleneck a 240GT and in some case, will not even bottleneck a 250GTS (for GPU intensive games).

Again it all depends on the game, if you are playing something older that was designed before the era of fully programmable sharers (like WoW), than yes, but most newer games are heavily GPU dependent.

IMO go with a 9800GTX or a 250GTS (same card for the msot part) or maybe even a radeon 5750. And with a 5750 you can always crossfire a pair down the road if you upgrade the CPU.

Thanks so much, so are you saying my CPU won't bottleneck the 9800 GTX+?

 

[valcore]

^ u live in america rite?

dont buy the 9800GTX+
it's an ancient chip.......... a HD5770 would be a much better choice and prices are coming down like nuts lately

I think my CPU will bottleneck it so much and I cannot afford a 5770 at this moment.

 

[valcore]

Whats ur budget?

$80

Actually I found a used 5770 on eBay for a reasonable amount. I might grab it, but can you tell me how much % my CPU will bottleneck this card?

 

[valcore]

Not much,

GTS450
USD 79 after rebates.


and what exact model is the HD5770 ?

Model is HD577AZNFC

And I can not buy the GTS 450 because I'm on a strict budget and I need to order a PSU aswell.

 

[valcore]

Total Budget for PSU and GPU = 80 ?
or 80 is just for the GPU ?

well, how much u getting for that XFX HD5770 ?

Justs for the GPU. and I'm getting it for $84

 

[HostileDonut]

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814150482&Tpk=hd%204850 $80 and would bot bottleneck you much. I vote the hd4850 or GT 240.

 

[vilenjan]

The 5770 actually consumes less power than a 9800 GTX, by a fair margin too, a 5750 is even thriftier, it barely needs its pci-e connector.

Plus both are "current" generation cards, build on a DX11 architecture and 40nm node.

 

[guardianangel42]

Guys, the GTS 250 is just a rebranded 9800GTX+ with a slight overclock, why are you recommending the GT 240 when the two are basically equal with the 240 at a slight disadvantage?

OP, I don't know a heck of a lot about bottlenecking but it sounds like you're SOL no matter what card you get with your current CPU.

I say, buy with the intent to upgrade your mobo and CPU later when you can. Get a decent card (GTS 250 or 5770 works handily) and just plan to upgrade somewhere down the line.

If can, try and get the absolute best for your money. If one of the other cards suggested is within your price range, other than the GT 240, go for it.

 

[dalauder]

U WILL NOT bottleneck a 240GT and in some case, will not even bottleneck a 250GTS (for GPU intensive games).

Again it all depends on the game, if you are playing something older that was designed before the era of fully programmable sharers (like WoW), than yes, but most newer games are heavily GPU dependent.

IMO go with a 9800GTX or a 250GTS (same card for the msot part) or maybe even a radeon 5750. And with a 5750 you can always crossfire a pair down the road if you upgrade the CPU.

@vilenjan, can you please provide some more information to back up this claim. New games are impacted heavily by your CPU. See here: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814162074&Tpk=galaxy%20gtx%20560%20ti

Imagine how much a CPU half as fast as the bottom one on that list performs. Now there are some games it will do fine on--most notably, Source Engine games like Portal and Half Life 2.

@OP--you'll probably need a PSU upgrade for anything more than a GT 240 or Radeon 5670. The 5770 for $84 is a solid price, but the 5830 for $100 new on Newegg is much better, but might be out of your budget. You really will want a CPU upgrade soon, so I highly suggest that before you purchase anything, you focus on checking the upgradeability of your motherboard.

I really think you should give us a full list of your current parts, your objective (max gaming framerates), and your budget. See here for general questions to answer: http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/261222-31-build-advice

 

[sepayne21]

vilenjan is right. it is the game that will determine whether or not he is cpu bottlenecked. most games out there support enough eyecandy/aa/af to become gpu bottlenecked. If you can run your games smoothly at a VERY low res with no eyecandy with your existing gfx card, then getting a new gfx card will allow you to increase res and eyecandy withoug sacrificing performance.

your cpu will determine max framerate in a game, and your gpu will determine how much eyecandy you can display.